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#1 Mar 17 2005 at 2:27 AM Rating: Decent
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I am new to this forum and sorry for repeating if it had been discussed before ;p

I was just wondering, when I played with JP players, seldom do they "examine" me. They usually would ask instead - according to my experience.

On the contrary, I often get "examined" in other English-speaking PTs. And I have heard other PCs sort of bothered by this.

Of course, there's a switch to hide the PCs' status, but I think ppl dont like to do that because that would make them look like they have something to hide. And it makes them unwelcomed in finding PTs.

This issue never quite bothered to me at all, but I can understand it might occur as impolite to some players, especially when we are communicating with ppl from different cultural backgrounds.

Can anyone throw some opinions on this?
#2 Mar 17 2005 at 2:32 AM Rating: Default
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The JP usually ask before /checking and I used to ask as well out of courtesy, I think they prefer it. I don't do that anymore though, I examine everyone all the time.
#3 Mar 17 2005 at 2:35 AM Rating: Decent
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I think with JP players, it's mainly about being polite, where they would not mind being examined if asked first. I think it's more been look upon as if you are looking at their MH or something >.<.

As for English speaking players, I dont really think we have to much problem with this. I do feel annoyed when I get examined like 20 time by the same person. When I get examined by a lower level player, I can almost just feel that some questions are going to come my way, which it usually does. Especially with those with "?", when they would ask for help, and occasionally for gil. (not that I mind, but somethings I am really busy, but they dont seem to understand)

Anyways, it's mostly just cultural differences, and I think if it's a problem, just dont examine them.

(i stopped examining them, cause, i mean, why? I do examine players who's very good, to see what kinda of equipment these players pick to enhance their jobs >.<)
#4 Mar 17 2005 at 2:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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:p Whenever i am examined in Valkrum or something in my full AF I do this... /em counters and examines you.
#5 Mar 17 2005 at 2:47 AM Rating: Good
In my opinion examining someone should be possible without asking them (it is provided as an option in the game, so why not). However I seldomly use CHECK to examine someone. I always try to use " /sea all <playername> " in the command prompt and get exactly the same information, but without them knowing I'm checking on them, thus not disturbing them. The only time I use the check option is when someone is anon and I want to find out about his/her equipment or when they are running a bazaar, which is basically asking to be examined imho.

In any case avoid examining the same person over and over again. That can start to work on someones nerves.
#6 Mar 17 2005 at 2:56 AM Rating: Decent
i never examine anyone. only time i do is when me and a friend are comparing equipment and sometimes, but not always, i will check someone if they check me..since that is kinda a give away that /check does not bother them.
#7 Mar 17 2005 at 3:03 AM Rating: Decent
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I don't particularly find it rude, but lots of people do, so I never check without asking.
#8 Mar 17 2005 at 3:06 AM Rating: Default
To all those who, for some STRANGE reason, get uptight about checking...

There's nothing wrong with examining people and you want to raise hell about it, you're fighting a hopeless battle. Even if the japanese do prefer to be asked first, how is anyone supposed to tell you're japanese so they know to ask? The name is no indication. I have a japanese friend who's name is Evilseven.

And with one flick of a chat filter, you can live in peaceful ignorance of it. It's not a huge deal. Pick your battles.
#9 Mar 17 2005 at 3:19 AM Rating: Good
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I agree with this, I do the /sea all <t> alot instead of checking.
#10 Mar 17 2005 at 3:24 AM Rating: Decent
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Of course, there's a switch to hide the PCs' status, but I think ppl dont like to do that because that would make them look like they have something to hide. And it makes them unwelcomed in finding PTs.

Some jobs HAVE to use /anon when they are not looking for a party or are in a party. This is because they get constantly bombarded with /tells otherwise. White mages, Red mages, and Bards are 3 jobs who I frequently see in /anon. The first time you get Raise as a WHM you become a /tell magnet anywhere you go. RAISE PLZ!!!1!11

I have extremely strict personal rules about who I /check. I used to only /check one specific character in Jeuno cuz she usually sold cheap Mithkabobs. I don't use Mithkabobs anymore, so now I don't /check anyone. On the other hand, I could care less about who /checks me. I have it filtered anyway. 5000 people per microsecond could spam me with /check and I'd never know.
#11 Mar 17 2005 at 4:08 AM Rating: Decent
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Yunoh wrote:
To all those who, for some STRANGE reason, get uptight about checking...

There's nothing wrong with examining people and you want to raise hell about it, you're fighting a hopeless battle. Even if the japanese do prefer to be asked first, how is anyone supposed to tell you're japanese so they know to ask? The name is no indication. I have a japanese friend who's name is Evilseven.

And with one flick of a chat filter, you can live in peaceful ignorance of it. It's not a huge deal. Pick your battles.


Why do you feel it is ok to attack someones personal preferance. If someone was to come here and say "I don't understand why people expect me to turn on my chat filter. How am I susposed to know that someone wants to check me?"

Just accept the fact that people have different opinions/values and stop trying to impose your specific views on how a situation should be handled on everyone.


I don't mean to single out Yunoh... this is dirrected at everyone that thinks there is only one way to handle a situation. People like this are on both sides of this issue.
#12 Mar 17 2005 at 4:11 AM Rating: Decent
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Lol funny to come across this thread cause this happened just last night. My husband and his friend were in Gusgen Mines trying to do Mission 3/2 "To the Forsaken Mines". They were both level 30 jobs and my husband was going back to do this mission because he had skipped it before.

So they make their way to the room with the pond and and as they enter they see a player "Tornado" in fishing gear fishing at the pond. My husband's friend aggros a ghoul and starts fighting it and in the background suddenly Smothered Schmidt starts floating up from the pond. The friend finishes off the ghoul and examines Tornado to see if he is going to need help with Schmidt or at least a warning about how tough he is. Well "Tornado" is a lvl 75BLM/35WHM. No problem - he can take out Schmidt right? Nope, Schmidt aggros the weakest player in the room - my husband's friend. My husband takes off running but friend gets bound and proceeds to get owned by Schmidt. "Tornado" just recasts his fishing rod and ignores the carnage even when both husband and friend are shouting for help.

When he's lying dead on the ground "Tornado" then proceeds to tell friend that he had "annoyed" him by examining him and that's why he let Schmidt kill him and won't provide a raise. Friend is now livid because the only reason he examined him was to make sure he could take on Schmidt or if he would need help in escaping. The situation deteriorates from there - both players sending /tells that are increasingly nasty until finally they both blist eachother.

Now, "Tornado" does not sound like a JP name, and this was very late at night JP time when not a lot of JP players are on anyways. So, how was friend to know that this was a JP player who would be "annoyed" by being examined? I personally don't care if people examine me - I examine people all the time to see what bait they are using to catch certain fish, what lvl armor they have if they are in my pt etc. I think that if people have a problem with it they should just filter it out - not get upset over it.
#13 Mar 17 2005 at 4:28 AM Rating: Decent
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Edited, Thu Mar 17 04:34:43 2005 by Celandri
#14 Mar 17 2005 at 4:29 AM Rating: Default
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one thing. the /check is in Japanese the same as {stare}
so when you check. the play online jp version is saying
/em stares on whateverperson
and thats rude in japan since you are suddently going in his private zone. remember that jp players have diffrent way to live than usa or european.
much less space to have big private zones so one dont stare on people like we can do here.

you can try to stare on a friend and look what they think about it yourself irl. you would feel it was rude too.

Celandri
#15 Mar 17 2005 at 4:37 AM Rating: Decent
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Thanks all of you for sharing your nice thoughts and opinions on this ... it helps me to build the personality of my in-game character.

To Catawna: thanks for sharing the story - really it's one of a kind. But too bad that sometimes things have to end up these ways. Some are just not as forgiving... even for little things... (^.^ ")

#16 Mar 17 2005 at 4:37 AM Rating: Decent
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Celandri wrote:
one thing. the /check is in Japanese the same as {stare}


I have also heard "X looks you up and down", "X stares at you intently", "X examines your rectal cavity", and many others.

I think Eric Forman said it best, when he said:

Eric Forman wrote:
Wow... cultural differances
#17 Mar 17 2005 at 4:39 AM Rating: Decent
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Now see, I understand that different cultures have different values,morals, way of doing things etc. If I happen to know that a player is Jp and doesn't like being examined then of course I wouldn't do it. If I did /check a player and they asked me not to do it again, of course I would stop. I have no problem respecting other people's cultures. What I wish however is that they would once in a while take into consideration that it ISN'T rude in our culture so if a NA player /checks a JP player maybe the JP player should just realize "hey, they are from a different culture, I will try to be patient with them" instead of "OMG they "annoyed" me by doing something that is completely acceptable in their culture -now I will just stand back and watch them die for it!" See, it works both ways - we learn about them, they learn about us and we all try to be respectful and take into consideration the other players background. Its a two way street.
#18 Mar 17 2005 at 5:03 AM Rating: Decent
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Whenever I get a /check without my bazaar icon or my LFP flag up, I /tell the person back, {I don't have anything to give you.}, followed by ˆˆ. It doesn't annoy me, I just want to know what they're looking for.
Though when I get /checked repeatedly, I can go all night swapping out my hand armor so that they cannot check me XD I got a /tell one night from someone who was doing that to me that said "OMG WTF IS WRONG WITH YOUR EQUIP I CANT CHECK U CALL GM CUZ UR SHT IS BROKE". Ahhhh good times ^^

Yeah, usually when a JP player examines me, they bow first and after, or they say /tell "/check?" I love polite people :)

Oh damn...ding! 400 posts :)

Edited, Thu Mar 17 05:09:17 2005 by jini
#19 Mar 17 2005 at 5:33 AM Rating: Decent
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Honestly, I have never been asked by ANY player if they can examine me. I have been called rude, amongst other things by players because I have checked them without asking. (Even some that have a Bazaar going)

But my personal favorite is back when I first got my Chocobo Liscence. I went riding around kinda exploring different places, and as Im riding through Pashow Marshlands someone examines me. Well, I see them taking a knee. /tell them (Do you need any help?) and I examine them (as they might be trying to get to Jeuno, and 2 level 20s have a better chance of making it.) Anyways, I check this Bst and say to myself "Well, I guess she dosent need help after all." and I start riding away. As Im almost out of sight I get /slapped and a tell stating "You are rude!". Granted I didnt ask "(/check)(Can I have it?)" but I was concerned with the wellbeing of this player.

I personally dont mind when people are checking me, if they wanna check me, so be it. In fact I love getting /tells asking me where I got my title ("Shadowy Star" for being the top ranked Dark Knight in Ballista).

But a little word of nonsence that I like to do at linkshell gatherings. /em examines you. works wonders LOL
#20 Mar 17 2005 at 5:43 AM Rating: Decent
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I've given up caring. I mean nothing offensive by checking and will always apologise if it offends and try not to do it again to that person but basically I'm nosy and I love finding out what interesting equipment is out there. I don't care if peoples check me out as long as it isn't 5 or 6 times in a minute lol.

It's happened.

As a WHM tho basically it is usually outside Jeuno in the other cities that I get /check and then a pointed tele call. LOL! Over the levels I've put in, I've become increasingly immune to it.

Funniest time I've been checked several times - has been accompanied with increasingly funny messages and mild flirtation. Hume RSE shorts have a lot to be blamed for!


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#21 Mar 17 2005 at 5:47 AM Rating: Decent
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Besides Valkurm noobs that think it is fashionable to cry about being checked because they "heard" JP players find it rude, I have only ever _once_ encountered an actual JP player who found it rude.

I checked him as I was sitting in Rul-Garden waiting on a mission party and I noticed his bazaar comment said something like "Is there anything I can help you?" or something like that. Also, he had a J in the search so clearly he was JP who spoke some English. Probably 5 minutes later, I got a /t from him saying "Is there anything I can help with?". I thought he was being just randomly polite and said "No thanks.^^ Take care" (in auto translate). A moment later, I get a /t back from him saying "{Check}{notice} rude" or something. I laughed, and just replied back with {filter} {do you have it?}.

What else could I say ? I wasn't trying to be rude, but if it deeply offends you to the point of calling someone out on it, perhaps you should eliminate the problem at the core.
#22 Mar 17 2005 at 6:34 AM Rating: Decent
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I made it a point to ask my JP friend what how the /check function translated and what her, and other's opinions on it were. It turns out that /check is translated to "<name> stares at you intently...!" at least, according to her. I think it's really just a matter of being polite; most people tend not to like being stared at, however there are filters etc.. Now, don't get me wrong, I think it's stupid to complain about it, especially if you're a NA, but nobody should have to set their filters on just because you may want to be "rude." On the topic of it being stupid if you're a NA, no it's not racism or whatever.. it's just that, unless you're playing the JP version of the game, it obviously doesn't translate to being stared at.. so why bother complaing about it, unless of course you're a JP fan *****; in which case I find it more than just a little difficult to respect you.
#23 Mar 17 2005 at 7:33 AM Rating: Decent
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This is one of those threads that keeps coming back, it isn't exactly offensive, regardless of cultural idiosyncrisies (spelling?), but I dont understand why Squenix leaves the telling of you in it would make no difference to how you play if you didn't know when people checked you and these questions and issues would vanish.

Ash
#24 Mar 17 2005 at 7:39 AM Rating: Good
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If you want to know someone's level:
/sea <t>

If you want to see what gear someone's wearing ask them first, actually first ask yourself why you want to know; if you're a WAR10, will knowing what a WHM75 wears really help you? Some people are offended (it doesn't matter if they're not Japanese, they can still be offended!) by unsolicited checking. Also by opening the communication channels with that /tell you can discuss their gear choices. Maybe ask how they got a Rare/Ex item that you would love to have?

Oh, and it's traditional to check anyone with a bazaar without asking - you wouldn't expect to have to ask permission before walking into a supermarket.

The only people I check are those with the same job levels as me. It lets me know what other people consider good gear for the job, and can often help me find out about items that aren't listed on the AH.
#25 Mar 17 2005 at 10:11 AM Rating: Good
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Gah, I hate this debate. lol Personally, I examine people out of pure curiosity. To see what bait they're using while fishing since I can't get a bite and they're just pulling them in one after another - or Wow, is that a pretty cool looking body piece... what is that, and can I possibly wear it someday?! I understand being insulted by "So & So looks at you intently" the first time you see it but it doesn't make sense that no one ever explains what it actually means. Blame whoever it was that set it up that way in the system, don't blame the person. If "So & So slaps you" and you later find out that the person on the other side, who doesn't speak your language, sees it as "So & So slaps you on the back!" (friendly motion) - who are you mad at? The player or the person who set it up to look like an insult? Unless you have zero short-term memory, the next time you seen that, you might think twice about their intent.
#26 Mar 17 2005 at 10:14 AM Rating: Good
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Ouch, mega rate-down Batman! Removing my duplicate post.

Edited, Thu Mar 17 17:07:16 2005 by AnnetteL
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