^^ I always loved PLD as did Angeal ;) Mr. Corleone hehehe, Narisa /cough/ shall join you soon.
It also depended on the person as well; I never questioned certain players. Such as yourself, Angeal and a select small group. Whatever you guys played on was fine with me :P
I still miss taking on Ifrit on paladin :(
Edited, Feb 10th 2013 5:46pm by Elionara
Hey Narisa! Its been so long since I was active here on Zam that I didn't recognize your name :P. How dare you put me in the same company as Angeal, I am so not worthy of such a status! You are absolutely right, it did depend on the person (entirely). Give a job to any player with a good amount of skill and it can be viewed as OP. Give a job to any player with no skill and it will look like its weak.
I can't wait to see you all again in ARR - I miss every single one of you guys!
Can I get a "mew mew" for old times sake? =)
Warrior had advantage in AoE dps and yes, a higher HP pool. But this comes as a larger MP burden to the White Mages as Warrior had next to no sustain. Then there was the hate-loss issue.
I agree with some of your post (I wont requote it all so I can keep mine as small as I can). I will say though that I never noticed a problem with hate while using either job and I never had a White Mage complain about running out of MP because I was using a Warrior. I completely agree they were both equal for the most part in dps on single mob battles - the AOE difference was major though (since Paladin had ZERO AOEs =( ).
I don't doubt that you ran into a lot of poorly geared Paladins that helped give them a bad name on your server, in my case I think the majority of the bad Paladins I saw just didn't understand how to play the class. Unfortunately, a lot of players decided to become a tank for the status of being "the guy" but they never spent the time to master the class *facepalm*. I always thought Paladin got its bad name after CC/AV were released. To me, it felt like "the general public" saw everyone using Warriors for speed runs and just assumed Paladins weren't as good - which eventually also turned into, "We don't want a Paladin for any endgame content" *facepalm again*. This happens all the time though with every role in the game. People used to say you couldn't beat the Darkhold unless you brought all archer DPS, they said Ifrit couldn't be won without all Lancer DPS (and some time later that also morphed into "no melee, only ranged.") and the worst of them all - Moogle parties that seemed to change every month. That's not to say I was never guilty of following the crowd though, you could find me sitting in the front seat on most of the bandwagons that rolled through 1.0.
The truth is, every piece of content in 1.0 could be beaten with any setup if the group you were playing with knew how to play the game well. I never meant for my comment about the Paladin to spark such an in depth discussion about this, lol. In the most basic form, I only wanted to express my love for the class and my hopes that it becomes epic in ARR - nothing more.
With the way you frased it I thought you think it should be designed so paladins were inherently the best tank, but I guess I misunderstood. English isn't my native language, I apologize for the misunderstading.
No, you're right I should have worded that differently - its my English that's lacking, not yours :P. Sometimes I forget just how careful you have to be when posting in forums because of all the heated debates going on everywhere about the game. I did say "I hope they consider it to be the best". I meant to say "they", but I didn't mean to imply that I am a supporter of unbalanced classes. I was just trying to express my love for the Paladin class, nothing deeper than that lol.
To all: Sorry for the wall of text!
TLDR = Scorleone loves Paladin and hopes its epic in ARR, but also is a supporter of having balanced classes and multiple jobs able to perform each role in the game. He didn't mean to start another debate over the 2 jobs (next time I will just yell, "Yay I love Paladin") and he also misses playing with Narisa (Elionara)!
Edit for grammar and tldr... Edited, Feb 11th 2013 12:47pm by scorleone