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#77 Feb 22 2013 at 4:55 PM Rating: Good
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Kachi wrote:
I think your attitude couldn't be more wrong, but I will agree on one point: You're wasting your time if you're trying to convince me otherwise. You don't have the information or the insight to do so.

Bear in mind, again, I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. It's not like I come here to convince people not to play the game, and I doubt I have a particularly meaningful influence insofar as that goes. I've stated many times that I hope I'm wrong to be pessimistic about it. I'm just discussing game design and FFXIV on a forum with whoever wants to talk about it. If you had some other purpose for talking to me, then yes, your efforts would be fruitless.

Also not sure how many times I need to state that I will be playing ARR.



Well I hope your experiences in Eorza aleviate your fears to the point where you feel excitment, then. But I'll not waste my breath defending a game this far into development. To some degree, it has to speak for itself from here on out. That includes Yoshi and crew not resting on their laurels after their curent media trip. If Alpha and Beta players must be muzzeled until they are absolutely ready I hope they have plenty of goodies still left in the bag to give out in the coming weeks to keep those looking for more info satafied.

But I tell you what. That Benchmark was bit of releif for me info and performance wise. (The latter being an isue that I have not upgraded my computer in five or so years. I'm just not purchase savvy enough to buy the parts on my own.)
#78 Feb 22 2013 at 5:40 PM Rating: Good
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Stellar gameplay in all it's forms is not required to survive or do fine. Meeting the expected functional critera serves that. Uniqueness is not required to sell millions. Developing a cut above the rest serves that. But to be a game everyone remembers, the game must accomplish and bring together all aspects into a well developed package.

Relentless drive/fervor is the recipe for success in life, work, and love. It can be good like Martin Luthor King or bad like Adolf Hitler. Will the game become the messianic coming of mmorpgs because of that drive? Probably not, who knows? All I'm sure of is this company has been humbled drastically. They realize that if that past notion of entitled arrogance was not fixed. Their company faces possible turbulent times in the future of this IP. Firing all the staff and closing shop may have saved money. But in that case nothing could be done to fix past mistakes. You can see the dedication to at least try. Yoshi looks like a man with the weight of the world on his shoulders, his body looks like it aged ten years since he took the reins. But he didn't shoulder it alone. He has a team of people who have that rare second chance. And a body of players that encourage or garrote him.

Now until the dust settles with the game releasing and attempting to find it's place. Neither you or I can do more than worry or speculate on it's future. But from what we've seen recently. One can not say the drive is not there. It's for this reason alone I feel the game will not die anytime soon. Regardless of what happens, all of us have devoted a piece of our heart & time to this journey. And anything that has those two factors can't be a bad thing.
#79 Feb 22 2013 at 5:46 PM Rating: Excellent
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Hyrist wrote:
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I'm not going to argue the matter at all at this point. If you're in negative views or heavy worries about the game at this point, I don't beleive a single thing about this game will convince you to play - it's just not for you.


That's just silly.

Pretty much everyone who hasn't been following FFXIV closely is going to be skeptical of ARR based on how poorly it did at the original launch. But everyone knew that. And Yoshida led the effort to try convincing these future skeptics to give FFXIV another shot. It was audacious. Overly optimistic, perhaps. But pessimists never accomplished anything.

What's being presented now is the culminations of those efforts, and they are not done yet. Everything that's being revealed is designed to change the hearts of the skeptical masses, if it's still not convincing enough, just wait. Give the crazy guy who refused to let the franchise roll over and die a chance. It's not very often you get to see this in the gaming industry, anymore.

What we don't need are misguided fans chasing people away for expressing reservations when those are the people Yoshida is trying to reach.



Seeming that was addressed directly at those who have been following the news closely and have consistantly commented in the negative ( to the point when even the moderators and admin acknowledge this) it's not silly at all. It's resignation.

There comes a point where a decission has to be made on behalf of the players that a particular individual or group will not be swayed by testimony. I have reached this point with certain individuals here and I would rather spend my efforts where they would be more fruitful. The game can speak for itself at this point. If someone cannot be convinced by gameplay and the continuing information that will flow from here on out, from official and unofficial channels, then my words will have little to no impact either.

In fact, it is they who should be discouraged, rather than the fans who have argued to the point of exhaustion on the same handful of issues repeatedly.

I want people to play this game. But I will not pander to those who have already decided they will not. Especially if their passtime seems to involve coming upwith whatever reasons to discourage others to. I'd rather speak to those who are truely on the edge or hopeful.

Beyond that, discussion comes with a muzzel these days by anyone with a Legacy Tag, which means the bulk of the Loadstone Forums, and media. It's like the mute arguing with the blind about the concept of beauty.


You'll never convince Kachi, it's impossible, but that's not the point. The whole point of a forum, at least in its purest sense, is for two sides to present their arguments for the unconvinced masses, and for them to decide based on what they've heard. By telling him to go away, you're really giving him the win, in the sense that people on the fence are going to think either FFXIV is indefensible, or you just don't want non-fanbois around.
#80 Feb 22 2013 at 6:15 PM Rating: Good
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Not my intention. But to say that the game speaks for itself at this point. It has turned a sufficient number of heads to look at it in a new light instead of a suspicious eye. The pessimism can suffer the scrutiny of the game-play, rather than the other way around.

An even if all that was invalid. Any meaningful discussion with those who do have more knowledge of the game would be hampered by NDA
#81 Feb 22 2013 at 7:05 PM Rating: Good
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Hyrist wrote:
The latter being an isue that I have not upgraded my computer in five or so years. I'm just not purchase savvy enough to buy the parts on my own.
Off topic, but you might want to refer to this if you're not sure of what to aim for on PC upgrades. I built a PC with some of kalg's reccomendations in mind and it easily scored a little over 8K on the benchmark at max settings so there is some value to his/her advice.
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#82 Feb 22 2013 at 7:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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Personally I would prefer if my skepticism were only used constructively, rather than to convince people that they shouldn't play the game. I would much rather other players recognize my concerns as valid and actionable, and use that to vocalize meaningful feedback to the development team. That's the only way any of this makes the game better.

But having said that, that's not why I come here, not even a little. At the end of the day, it's just a video game (from a franchise that I love) and I enjoy using it as a case study in game design principles. So while I would hope my skeptical words are taken as precautionary constructive criticism and nothing more, I really don't have a dog in the fight other than the pleasure of conversation.
#83 Feb 22 2013 at 11:01 PM Rating: Default
So on one side we got somebody arguing/pointing out that X or Y could be an issue because we have yet to see any to the contrary, and on the other side we got somebody arguing that X or Y cannot be disclosed because NDA and to have faith because yoshi.....

Feels like 1.0 beta to me Smiley: rolleyes
#84 Feb 22 2013 at 11:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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Yep, Kachi was actually beginning to look like a normal person, and naturally Ostia has to take up the slack in haterade distribution. Sounds bout right.

Actually what I said Ostia is that the game at this point pretty much has to sell itself. Even if testiomony was available, those who are not currently excited won't be swayed by words. Some individuals have concerns to fall back upon when their concerns are aleviated. We've seen issue after issue be addressed as information comes to light.

Also, if this feels like Beta 1.0... I'd check your pill subscriptions or something because there was absolutely zero transparency for 1.0, through its entire development really. ARR's been more open than most western developers at this point and this is ignoring the fact that we're talking about Square Enix, one of the most tight lipped companies in the video game industry.

So no, this isn't a "it's just Beta" excuse. (The public annoucment was Beta starts the 25th btw) Wait and see for yourself. In the meanwhile, read up on all the interview data you've been ignoring. There have been other, more legitimate issues raised than the ones I've seen here.

Edited, Feb 23rd 2013 12:31am by Hyrist
#85 Feb 22 2013 at 11:40 PM Rating: Good
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I was starting to look normal? Really? I've got to figure out how to do that more consistently.
#86 Feb 23 2013 at 7:20 PM Rating: Default
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Ostia wrote:
... and on the other side we got somebody arguing that X or Y cannot be disclosed because NDA and to have faith because yoshi.....


Hey, I didn't trust my life savings to this guy to not drink the fruit punch at the end.
#87 Feb 24 2013 at 9:51 AM Rating: Excellent
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KaneKitty wrote:
Ostia wrote:
... and on the other side we got somebody arguing that X or Y cannot be disclosed because NDA and to have faith because yoshi.....


Hey, I didn't trust my life savings to this guy to not drink spike the fruit punch at the end.

Fixed that for you.

To make things clear. Yoshida never sold me on the game so much as the business model he's adapted and hopes to spread through the company. The game could flop and I'd still back him as an individual. However, at this point, I highly doubt that it will be genuinely poor game. It may not be a total blockbuster but in my view it does not need to be.

Still, I do hope they are widely successful, as doing so may kick the rest of the company in the rear to stop being so seclusive.
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