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#177 Jun 03 2013 at 9:17 PM Rating: Good
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Toward the middle/end around Post 44 in another topic someone else had the same issue and he had to adjust the settings to get it to use the other card and not the intergrated. 5200 with a integrated card... hmmmm I don't know much about laptops let alone a gaming one but with a integrated card I just can't fathom a score that high. What laptop are you using?
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#178 Jun 03 2013 at 9:46 PM Rating: Default
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SillyHawk wrote:
Toward the middle/end around Post 44 in another topic someone else had the same issue and he had to adjust the settings to get it to use the other card and not the intergrated. 5200 with a integrated card... hmmmm I don't know much about laptops let alone a gaming one but with a integrated card I just can't fathom a score that high. What laptop are you using?



I have an iBuypower Valkyerie CZ17 laptop
Windows 8 64 bit
Intel core i7-3840QM @ 2.80GHz
Nvidia 680m GPU

From what I've read Nvida Optimus switches back and forth between the Intel HD graphics and the 680m depending on what type of load it's under. I'm thinking that is causing it, but it's just so damn frustrating to not see my GPU's name in the summary.
#179 Jun 04 2013 at 5:30 AM Rating: Decent
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So I ran this for "WTF Why Not" reasons. The previous game just BARELY ran on this old gaming rig.

Got a 2324 on the default Medium settings. No idea where that places me on the Play/Cannot Play range. Details in spoiler
FINAL FANTASY XIV: A Realm Reborn Official Benchmark (Exploration)
Tested on:6/4/2013 7:27:00 AM
Score:2324
Average Framerate:18.839
Performance:Standard
-Capable of running the game on default settings.

Screen Size: 1280x720
Screen Mode: Windowed
Graphics Presets: Medium
General
-Improve overall graphic quality. : Disabled
-Disable rendering of objects when not visible. (Occlusion Culling) : Enabled
-Use low-detail models on distant objects to increase performance. (LOD) : Enabled
-Cache LOD data only when necessary. (LOD Streaming) : Enabled
-Smooth edges. (Anti-aliasing) : Disabled
-Increase transparent lighting quality. : Disabled
-Grass Quality : Low
Shadows
-Use low-detail models on shadows to increase performance. (LOD) : Enabled
-Display : Personal and Environmental
-Shadow Resolution : Mid: 1024 pixels
-Shadow Cascading : Normal
-Shadow Softening : Low
Texture Detail
-Texture Filtering : Medium
-Anisotropic Filtering : Low
Effects
-Naturally darken the edges of the screen. (Limb Darkening) : Disabled
-Blur the graphics around an object in motion. (Radial Blur) : Enabled
-Effects While in Motion : Display Own
-Screen Space Ambient Occlusion : Off
-Glare : Low
Cinematic Cutscenes
-Enable depth of field. : Disabled

System:
Microsoft Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 3 (2600.xpsp_sp3_gdr.130307-0422)
Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Extreme CPU X7900 @ 2.80GHz
3069.977MB
NVIDIA GeForce 8700M GT (VRAM 512.0 MB) 6.14.0012.6658

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#180 Jun 04 2013 at 6:15 AM Rating: Good
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Hatamaz wrote:
SillyHawk wrote:
Toward the middle/end around Post 44 in another topic someone else had the same issue and he had to adjust the settings to get it to use the other card and not the intergrated. 5200 with a integrated card... hmmmm I don't know much about laptops let alone a gaming one but with a integrated card I just can't fathom a score that high. What laptop are you using?



I have an iBuypower Valkyerie CZ17 laptop
Windows 8 64 bit
Intel core i7-3840QM @ 2.80GHz
Nvidia 680m GPU

From what I've read Nvida Optimus switches back and forth between the Intel HD graphics and the 680m depending on what type of load it's under. I'm thinking that is causing it, but it's just so damn frustrating to not see my GPU's name in the summary.


Like I said, it's most likely an issue with the benchmark not being able to interpret multiple cards, so it defaults to the built-in integrated GPU for the summary. There is absolutely no way you would ever get a score even CLOSE to that if it was using the integrated card for the test, so there's no reason to be frustrated.
#181 Jun 04 2013 at 9:04 AM Rating: Good
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So maybe a PC Guru could help me out here....my current PC's hardware is pretty good aside from the video card...it has served me well but it's time for an upgrade...I'm looking to spend $200-$300 max and I'd like something complementary to my CPU...I don't really keep up with PC hardware anymore sadly..

Thank you very much in advance!

Here are the "important" current specs:
I7-3770K
8 Gigs of DDR3 1333
Radeon 5770 (I know I know...but this thing really has done me proud..)

#182 Jun 04 2013 at 9:50 AM Rating: Good
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Newegg has HD 7870's for just over $200.
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#183 Jun 04 2013 at 9:55 AM Rating: Excellent
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So maybe a PC Guru could help me out here....my current PC's hardware is pretty good aside from the video card...it has served me well but it's time for an upgrade...I'm looking to spend $200-$300 max and I'd like something complementary to my CPU...I don't really keep up with PC hardware anymore sadly..

Thank you very much in advance!

Here are the "important" current specs:
I7-3770K
8 Gigs of DDR3 1333
Radeon 5770 (I know I know...but this thing really has done me proud..)



I had a 5770, good card. Still running strong in my GF's PC. In that price range you're looking at a 660TI or 7870. They are similar performance-wise so it's really a matter of preference. The 660TI tends to be a bit more expensive, but Geforce cards seem to be doing better on the benchmark than Radeon cards. If you expand your budget to the $350 range you can get a 7950, also saw some 670s in that price range on newegg. So, you have a few options.

Edit: Forgot to mention I have a 7870. Good card. OC'd fairly easily, though I think I got a mediocre OCing card.

Edited, Jun 4th 2013 8:57am by SkinwalkerAsura
#184 Jun 04 2013 at 10:51 AM Rating: Good
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#185 Jun 04 2013 at 11:06 AM Rating: Good
7950's go down to 299$ on sale (if you check all the major sites, newegg, tigerdirect, canadacomputers if you're up north etc). The GTX 660ti can be had for around 280$ and is comparable to the 7950 (sometimes better). Depending who you ask, you'll get people telling you to go AMD, others to go NVIDIA, it's all personal preference. As great as benchmarks are, fans of either card will manipulate numbers to their favour. Then the new drivers come out, and AMD pulls ahead, then the next week NVIDIA has a new driver set and pulls ahead.

AMD still has their reloaded deal going on with free copies of Crysis 3, Bioshock Infinite and Far Cry Blood Dragon. I think you get Metro and something else with NVIDIA cards if that matters at all. I had a GTX 460, served me well, bought a 7950 (cause it was cheaper then a 660ti at the time), and it's fantastic. So for my next card, who knows, whatever's best bang for the buck from either company.

Edit: You get Tomb Raider on top of those three with AMD, and only Metro with Nvidia right now.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-review,3107-3.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-review,3107-4.html

Edited, Jun 4th 2013 1:10pm by Montsegurnephcreep

Edited, Jun 4th 2013 1:12pm by Montsegurnephcreep
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#186 Jun 04 2013 at 11:33 AM Rating: Excellent
Montsegurnephcreep wrote:
7950's go down to 299$ on sale (if you check all the major sites, newegg, tigerdirect, canadacomputers if you're up north etc). The GTX 660ti can be had for around 280$ and is comparable to the 7950 (sometimes better). Depending who you ask, you'll get people telling you to go AMD, others to go NVIDIA, it's all personal preference. As great as benchmarks are, fans of either card will manipulate numbers to their favour. Then the new drivers come out, and AMD pulls ahead, then the next week NVIDIA has a new driver set and pulls ahead.

AMD still has their reloaded deal going on with free copies of Crysis 3, Bioshock Infinite and Far Cry Blood Dragon. I think you get Metro and something else with NVIDIA cards if that matters at all. I had a GTX 460, served me well, bought a 7950 (cause it was cheaper then a 660ti at the time), and it's fantastic. So for my next card, who knows, whatever's best bang for the buck from either company.

Edit: You get Tomb Raider on top of those three with AMD, and only Metro with Nvidia right now.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-review,3107-3.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-review,3107-4.html

Edited, Jun 4th 2013 1:10pm by Montsegurnephcreep

Edited, Jun 4th 2013 1:12pm by Montsegurnephcreep


How do you like your 7950? When I bought my 7870 I was considering the 7950 but I opted to go cheaper and put the difference toward a new monitor, but I have the "what if" buyer thing going on...
#187 Jun 04 2013 at 11:44 AM Rating: Good
I'm enjoying it, thing runs a bit hot (I don't have a dual fan one, just the reference card with single fan). My 3570k with the 7950 gets me a score of 6900 maxed out on the XIV benchmark. Crysis 3 runs maxed out minus a couple AA options that need to be toned down, everything else runs great. This is all at 1920x1200, so not sure how it does if you're going beyond that.

I've been satisfied with my last 5 cards to be honest, had the Radeon 9800 pro, then a 7900 GS (or maybe this one first), then the GTX 260 OC, GTX 460, now this 7950. They've all done what they've advertised. I think the 7950 has room for improvement if games use certain technologies and the drivers get better, but that's all speculation.
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#188 Jun 04 2013 at 11:53 AM Rating: Excellent
Montsegurnephcreep wrote:
I'm enjoying it, thing runs a bit hot (I don't have a dual fan one, just the reference card with single fan). My 3570k with the 7950 gets me a score of 6900 maxed out on the XIV benchmark. Crysis 3 runs maxed out minus a couple AA options that need to be toned down, everything else runs great. This is all at 1920x1200, so not sure how it does if you're going beyond that.

I've been satisfied with my last 5 cards to be honest, had the Radeon 9800 pro, then a 7900 GS (or maybe this one first), then the GTX 260 OC, GTX 460, now this 7950. They've all done what they've advertised. I think the 7950 has room for improvement if games use certain technologies and the drivers get better, but that's all speculation.


I am satisfied with my 7870. I OCd it to stock 7950 speed and I'm hitting 6000 on the XIV benchmark. I'm just the type that will always wonder I should have spent the extra cash...and there's always crossfire if it bugs me that much Smiley: lol
#189 Jun 04 2013 at 11:57 AM Rating: Good
That's why I always wait a couple generations before I upgrade. Otherwise, you notice some performance increase, but not enough to justify that 200-300$. You wait 2-3 generations, then you REALLY notice a performance boost. It's like these people upgrading from Sandy, to Ivy, to Haswell for 3-15% performance increases (in mostly non real world applications), it boggles my mind.

I suppose if it's your hobby and you have the cash, then go nuts, but otherwise...I don't see the point.
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#190 Jun 04 2013 at 12:06 PM Rating: Excellent
Montsegurnephcreep wrote:
That's why I always wait a couple generations before I upgrade. Otherwise, you notice some performance increase, but not enough to justify that 200-300$. You wait 2-3 generations, then you REALLY notice a performance boost. It's like these people upgrading from Sandy, to Ivy, to Haswell for 3-15% performance increases (in mostly non real world applications), it boggles my mind.

I suppose if it's your hobby and you have the cash, then go nuts, but otherwise...I don't see the point.


Absolutely agree. The upgrade from my 5770 to the 7870 was a pretty good bump in performance, and I'm always looking for best bang for my buck situations. When I built my current rig I was looking at the i5 3570k but went cheaper and got an AMD FX-6300. Obviously not as good a performer as the 3570 but with the 100 bucks I saved I got an SSD, and the FX 6300 works perfectly fine for me.
#191 Jun 04 2013 at 1:08 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm looking to upgrade my GPU as well but worried that I will be wasting money with my CPU possibly bottlenecking it.

Currently:

Radeon 5750
Intel Core 2 Quad 2.5 gh

I ran the benchmark at max and got a sad, sad score of 2588.

Beta ran fine with the settings tweaked down a bit, but I'm wondering if jumping to the 7950 would be a waste of money versus a slightly lower card like 7870.
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#192 Jun 04 2013 at 1:23 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm looking to upgrade my GPU as well but worried that I will be wasting money with my CPU possibly bottlenecking it.

Currently:

Radeon 5750
Intel Core 2 Quad 2.5 gh

I ran the benchmark at max and got a sad, sad score of 2588.

Beta ran fine with the settings tweaked down a bit, but I'm wondering if jumping to the 7950 would be a waste of money versus a slightly lower card like 7870.


I think it will bottleneck both of those cards, the 7950 much more than the 7870. I would upgrade the CPU if you want to go with one of those cards.
#193 Jun 04 2013 at 1:31 PM Rating: Decent
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Louiscool wrote:
I'm looking to upgrade my GPU as well but worried that I will be wasting money with my CPU possibly bottlenecking it.

Currently:

Radeon 5750
Intel Core 2 Quad 2.5 gh

I ran the benchmark at max and got a sad, sad score of 2588.

Beta ran fine with the settings tweaked down a bit, but I'm wondering if jumping to the 7950 would be a waste of money versus a slightly lower card like 7870.


I think it will bottleneck both of those cards, the 7950 much more than the 7870. I would upgrade the CPU if you want to go with one of those cards.


Yeah, this is what I was thinking as well.
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#194 Jun 04 2013 at 7:00 PM Rating: Good
I had a c2q q9550 with my 7950 for a bit, it bottlenecks a touch, but not too much. From the 460 to the 7950 my ffxiv bench score went from 3000 to about 5500 on max settings. Then when I put in the 3570k (with new ram), I hit the 6900 mark. I think the game was simply utilizing the better processor for other things to up the score.
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#195 Jun 04 2013 at 8:29 PM Rating: Decent
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I am pretty happy with my score. The fact that I can run the game decently impressed me on my 4+ year old rig (only recently replaced the graphics card cause it crapped out. 4+ years on a card is good freakin' run I say).

I will most likely run the game on low, though, I assume that that my frame rate will drop when in busy areas. But we shall see.

FINAL FANTASY XIV: A Realm Reborn Official Benchmark (Exploration)
Tested on:6/4/2013 10:25:31 PM
Score:4148
Average Framerate:34.022
Performance:High
-Easily capable of running the game. Should perform well, even at higher resolutions.

Screen Size: 1680x1050
Screen Mode: Full Screen
Graphics Presets: High
General
-Improve overall graphic quality. : Enabled
-Disable rendering of objects when not visible. (Occlusion Culling) : Enabled
-Use low-detail models on distant objects to increase performance. (LOD) : Enabled
-Cache LOD data only when necessary. (LOD Streaming) : Enabled
-Smooth edges. (Anti-aliasing) : Enabled
-Increase transparent lighting quality. : Disabled
-Grass Quality : Normal
Shadows
-Use low-detail models on shadows to increase performance. (LOD) : Enabled
-Display : All
-Shadow Resolution : Mid: 1024 pixels
-Shadow Cascading : High
-Shadow Softening : Low
Texture Detail
-Texture Filtering : High
-Anisotropic Filtering : Low
Effects
-Naturally darken the edges of the screen. (Limb Darkening) : Enabled
-Blur the graphics around an object in motion. (Radial Blur) : Enabled
-Effects While in Motion : Display All
-Screen Space Ambient Occlusion : Low
-Glare : Low
Cinematic Cutscenes
-Enable depth of field. : Enabled

System:
Windows 7 Professional 64-bit (6.1, Build 7601) Service Pack 1 (7601.win7sp1_gdr.130318-1533)
Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E6750 @ 2.66GHz
4094.539MB
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 550 Ti(VRAM 2768 MB) 9.18.0013.1407

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#196 Jun 04 2013 at 8:46 PM Rating: Decent
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I have a quick question...
So I have two Hard Drives on my pc,
1. SSD that has windows and programs I want to run fast installed on it.
2. HDD that houses other programs and data (pics,vids etc.)

When I download the benchmark, I have it on my HDD. Will it make a difference if I download the benchmark to the SSD instead? Or does it really matter for the Benchmark? I know I would put the game on the SSD, but wasn't sure if it makes a difference for the benchmark. I'm thinking that it will and will try some tests out once I reload the benchmark. Anyone else know a bit about this?

Edited, Jun 4th 2013 10:47pm by jayfly
#197 Jun 04 2013 at 8:54 PM Rating: Excellent
jayfly wrote:
I have a quick question...
So I have two Hard Drives on my pc,
1. SSD that has windows and programs I want to run fast installed on it.
2. HDD that houses other programs and data (pics,vids etc.)

When I download the benchmark, I have it on my HDD. Will it make a difference if I download the benchmark to the SSD instead? Or does it really matter for the Benchmark? I know I would put the game on the SSD, but wasn't sure if it makes a difference for the benchmark. I'm thinking that it will and will try some tests out once I reload the benchmark. Anyone else know a bit about this?

Edited, Jun 4th 2013 10:47pm by jayfly


Just tried it from my SSD, no difference.
#198 Jun 04 2013 at 8:58 PM Rating: Decent
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jayfly wrote:
I have a quick question...
So I have two Hard Drives on my pc,
1. SSD that has windows and programs I want to run fast installed on it.
2. HDD that houses other programs and data (pics,vids etc.)

When I download the benchmark, I have it on my HDD. Will it make a difference if I download the benchmark to the SSD instead? Or does it really matter for the Benchmark? I know I would put the game on the SSD, but wasn't sure if it makes a difference for the benchmark. I'm thinking that it will and will try some tests out once I reload the benchmark. Anyone else know a bit about this?

Edited, Jun 4th 2013 10:47pm by jayfly


Just tried it from my SSD, no difference.


K thanks! Was wondering about it. Smiley: smile
#199 Jun 04 2013 at 9:26 PM Rating: Decent
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I just went through a CPU upgrade and wanted to share some pretty surprising results!

Old
Phenom II 955 Stock Speeds
8GB DDR2 1066
Radeon HD 6870 Stock Speeds

New
Core i7 4770
16GB DDR3 1600mhz
Radeon HD 6870 Stock Speeds

So you can see that the video card stayed the same.

FFXIV
1280*720
Medium Preset - OLD 8092 - NEW 12647

1920*1200
Medium Preset - OLD 6679 - NEW 8892
Maximum Preset - OLD 4056 - NEW 4604

As you can see, a Phenom II 955 at stock speeds was holding back FFXIV by quite a bit! It looks to be a really CPU dependent game.

I hope this info will help some people prep for FFXIVv2!

Edited, Jun 4th 2013 11:35pm by ShadowField
#200 Jun 04 2013 at 10:31 PM Rating: Excellent
jayfly wrote:
I have a quick question...
So I have two Hard Drives on my pc,
1. SSD that has windows and programs I want to run fast installed on it.
2. HDD that houses other programs and data (pics,vids etc.)

When I download the benchmark, I have it on my HDD. Will it make a difference if I download the benchmark to the SSD instead? Or does it really matter for the Benchmark? I know I would put the game on the SSD, but wasn't sure if it makes a difference for the benchmark. I'm thinking that it will and will try some tests out once I reload the benchmark. Anyone else know a bit about this?

Edited, Jun 4th 2013 10:47pm by jayfly


No worries :)
#201 Jun 05 2013 at 12:23 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm actually building a new comp for this game(that and other stuff but mostly for the game). I'm already buying the parts as we speak and at the end of it my specs should read

Windows 7 Home 64bit
8 GB rams 1600 DDR3
EVGA Geforce 650 TI 2GB GDDR5
I5-3470 Quad core 3.2GHz

I'm hoping for a really good score since they're making the game more poor friendly lol
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