I think ARR will fail.Follow

Which is why I stated that the tone of the forums will likely not change.

There will always be haters and fanbois at any level of the discussion, at any level of development. Because, honestly, people love to debate. Everyone has different views and everyone loves justifying their own as right - even if it is factually untrue.

Haters do tend to be louder than fanboi's though - I'll give them that much. The "White Knights" probably fear for good reason, given the fact that SE is listening, and they don't want them listening to extremist hyperbole that the internet is known for.

I've never seen a company or site that's enforced moderate, cool headed debate and feedback but man do I feel the internet desperately needs one.

I think that this game is do or die for the franchise. If ARR fails, I very strongly suspect that it'll be the last FF game made by SE. Someone else may pick up the IP and continue it from there, but it won't be done under SE.

I've been paying attention halfheartedly to ongoing news. I've heard the same thing I always hear: "This will be great! The fans will be happy! We fixed everything!" I heard largely the same for 1.0. You'll have to forgive me if I'm skeptical.

I have to ask. When you said you were paying attention "halfheartedly," did that really mean you weren't at all? *Pulls out yellow card of B.S.* Or did you hear one person tell you something and you just generalized the entire community opinions?

The fans will be happy? *That's a big duh, they're fans.* What the new director is aiming for is something that reaches beyond that. Final Fantasy fans alone won't be enough.

We fixed everything? Yea, this line is ultimately what earned you a yellow card. Even the Shiniest of White Knights would never make such a claim. Especially since none of the specifics are ever really mentioned. You know SE and their, "please look forward to this!" I wonder if you EVER visited the main forums. The White Knights of the Round gather there.

I don't know what 1.0 you're referring to, but from what I heard, the game was ***, and if it were launched, it'd still be ***. I don't know about this fixing everything you speak of. What I did hear was, talks of the miracle patch (that came a year later). I mean you even said it yourself.



There is a distinct difference in the handling of 1.0 and 2.0. While your dislike of the first release is understandable, comparing the two of them the way you are is somewhat dishonest.

Having doubts is a normal thing. Then again, so is jealousy. If we never kept that that in check... hmmm.... I digress..

I wonder what would happen, if I were cheated on, but kept up that mistrust, even when I met a new companion. When till this moment, they never gave me a reason to mistrust them. I'm sure that relationship is going to last through the test of time.

Do I trust them to make a game that I agree with 100%? Nope. I trust however, that they're smart enough not to waste all this time, energy, brand image and money, to just fail again. If there is one thing I can count on, is that they don't want to lose. If they win, I win. I'm not arrogant enough to think my approval matters more than their financial losses, even if I'm a fan.

If S.E. started making the same mistakes they did during, and leading up to the launch of 1.0, a large amount of doubt should be expected. However, that isn't the case. If there is something specific you have concern with, please share with the class. Vague statements, and predictions of failure and financial destruction is epic, but lets stick to reality.



Edited, Feb 27th 2013 10:30pm by GDLYL

Interesting on the leak info about only legacy get invited to beta


Edited, Feb 27th 2013 11:52pm by hikoneko

Edit:

Hehe seems I took too long in typing out my reply and the original post changed ;p

The leak was on the Offical forums for a short time before the Mods locked it down, since the bone head copy and pasted the Beta E-mail.


There are quite a few leaks out there right now, but that's all I'm gonna say about it myself. Too many people don't seem to understand the NDA is not only to keep competitors from learning about the game before it's launched, it's to keep stupid rumors from running rampant before the game is set in stone.

Edited, Feb 28th 2013 12:25am by Wyldkat

Well considering the worst thing SE is likely to do for violation is cancel the offending party's beta access, there's no real issue for them.

If they were going to sue someone on account of the NDA, they'd have a problem with a minor who could never have entered that contract to begin with.

No, I meant exactly what I said. I've paid attention to some of the news. Its not something I go out of the way to look for, but I do pay some attention as new things come up.

As for the quotes, I took a bit of liberty with them to sum up my general thoughts briefly. I have heard the same general things that I always hear about any game coming out. That alone isn't enough to sway me.



Not at all. From what information I have seen, its a very fair comparison. We've seen little game play released, the ongoing beta is under an NDA, and we're --yet again-- left with people who need this project to succeed telling us it'll all be great this time around. That's exactly what we got in 1.0 at least until the open beta rolled around.

Is the game going to be good? I don't know. I DO know that I've seen all this spin and hype before and was very disappointed. The fact that they've released so little game play footage is not reassuring nor is having everyone under an NDA.



Ok, let's stick to reality. Minimal game play footage, an NDA, and the same spin we always get. So far SE seems to be doing much the same as it did last time. I don't have much more to go on than that. SE seems to like to keep us in the dark. Does that, realistically, sound like something a company should do with its flagship product?

Yes, they have a penchant for the dramatic. But it's ok though, they draw these suspected opinions on halfheartedly glancing and information.



Thanks for sharing based on the oldest footage. Keep waiting on that 3.0, it'll be made exactly as you desire.

Edited, Feb 28th 2013 4:30am by GDLYL

Oh, it's perfectly OK if you're not swayed. You just sound like you glanced at some info and then you drew very large assumptions from there, that's all. You seem unaware as to how the community stands on certain game play aspects.

I said stick to reality, and you did the same exact thing as before. You searched your limited current information then filled in the blanks with 1.0 release.

Minimal gameplay footage- Comming from a person who admittedly doesn't go out of their way to seek the information. It's probably why you haven't found any. I will say however that the "flood" was very subjective lol. (I didn't see it either. Maybe because I wanted moar!) You kept yourself in the dark. Let me be clear, I'm not interested in you liking the game. Just that your obvious lack of info stood out to me.

I don't remember Tanaka giving us live and written letters while being open with the community. It must have slipped my mind. Tanaka also answered lots of questions from the fans! Same exact thing, both times. When certain topics are really popular, the devs respond to the thread telling us what Tanaka thinks of the idea. If it's in, not it, nice idea but not a priority etc.

There are so many, albeit, silly threads on the forums bring up the various mechanics of the game based on the game play footage that you claim doesn't exist.

I have no idea how they should be running their flagship franchise. Neither do you. What they did last time definitely didn't work though! However, to say that they're doing the same thing again is false. I hope you find what you're really looking for.

I just need to emphasize this, because this is not fair to SE:

BETA PHASE 1 IS NOT EXCLUSIVE TO LEGACY.

I'm not going to say how I know this. But this rumor is not true, and it's not fair to SE to criticize them for only making the Closed Beta stages open to its most loyal fans--this is absolutely not the case.

I agree nda is a joke..



You very well could be wrong here. If FFXIV fails it could put SE right out of business.. Well known fact they lost like millions in a quarter for a long time now and a big part of that was FFXIV. I think they came down from 150 million a quarter a year or so ago to now loosing around 60 million. That is allot for a software company and they are sticking allot into FFXIV. SE is not the size they used to be either. Why do you think FFXIV is such a big deal? If it fails it might be the end of SE this time so there is allot riding on it.. But yes there is a FF game in development for the PS4.

I doubt it would be the last we see of FF series though because the ipo is worth something and would be sold. Problem is could anyone but SE do a FF game.







Edited, Feb 28th 2013 9:28am by Nashred

Edited, Feb 28th 2013 9:35am by Nashred

Hmm not sure if I'm reading the post right or not.

I did not say that Phases 1 and 2 are Legacy exclusive, I said that the Beta E-mail posted on the offical forums had stated that and that later in one of their tweets SE had stated that all alpha testers would get an invite as well.

This was after SE had made an offical post on the forums stating that Alpha testers would not get an auto invite, but would have to wait like everyone else.


Now if this is not true at all, and it was just a case of some idiot stirring up crap on the offical forums, then SE dropped the ball by only deleting the post and not refuting it on the forums or in a tweet. SE needs to be more clear on the Beta process so as to keep bad press at a minimum.

We want people to be excited about the game, not feel like they are going to be treated like second class citizens because they didn't play version 1.0. and right now SE is creating the impression that anyone who wasn't in 1.0 dosen't matter. That's not a good thing is they want to have the game grow.

The slim amounts of official gameplay videos from Alpha are very early. I almost wish they showed nothing, because people make judgements on unfinished content and spread these opinions. This is also exactly why there's an NDA. Instead of providing helpful feedback for testing, they tweet "lol 2.0 sucks, I quit."