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#127 Apr 08 2013 at 1:48 PM Rating: Decent
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This discussion with Ostia is pointless for a few reasons.

1) we really don't have hard data, that means Ostia doesn't either
2) even if we did, Ostia would claim that SE fabricated their sales numbers to fit his/her view of this game
3) Ostia is trolling you guys hard, and will for the forseeable future, even if this game launches to critical acclaim

TLDR: don't feed the Ostia people Smiley: thumbsup


Wait a darn second here! Ostia, trolling!? Nonsense! ..Lol


TIL Ostia trolls. Gonna write that down in my dream journal.
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#128 Apr 08 2013 at 2:36 PM Rating: Good
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Wint wrote:
This discussion with Ostia is pointless for a few reasons.

1) we really don't have hard data, that means Ostia doesn't either
2) even if we did, Ostia would claim that SE fabricated their sales numbers to fit his/her view of this game
3) Ostia is trolling you guys hard, and will for the forseeable future, even if this game launches to critical acclaim

TLDR: don't feed the Ostia people Smiley: thumbsup


Oh come on Wint! How am i trolling them by saying the figure in VGcharts is units sold ? Do you have information that states otherwise ?

Because: http://news.bigdownload.com/2010/11/04/report-final-fantasy-xiv-ships-over-630-000-units/

Aparrently Wada himself said they shipped those units.

We have had hard data, just not data you white knights like :) http://ffxiv.zam.com/forum.html?forum=152&mid=1332899848229324645#9 Or the direct like http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/41265-Check-your-server-population/page3

Those numbers where after the merger, and there are tons of more post like that, that have been posted here and discussed, but of course we all suffer from alzheimer's when is convenient. Never EVER! Have we had more than 50K+ players after the first Month of Retail. We did whoever had a bigger population Before official release and during the first week of retail: http://jp.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/14449/ffxiv-census/

Or you can see this one http://www.thenakamals.net/showthread.php?265-Lodestone-Census-Data It has all the data from only CE release and CE and Retail.

Now on the Troll argument, I might have a different point of view on the game, than most of you who are Yoshi-P cheerleaders, but i have been right, answer me this wint, you are legacy Right ? Is the game more akin to WOW than to XI ? You and i know the answer to that question, and i did say many many moons ago, that in order for the game to survive, it would have to emulate WOW :) Better yet, is the game more Wowish now than lets say in 1.23 ? You know the version everybody was paying for and according to Yoshi himself the version that was in his opinion "Worth Paying for" ? Why change the model to one more in line with WOW ? It worked in 1.23 Right ?

Also i have not been trolling this guys in a long long time, now a year ago or so, you might have had a argument, but i have not been trolling anybody lately, but for arguments sake, if i am trolling as you say, then you must be whiteknighting, and your opinion is biased, unlike you i do not have to keep SE happy, you know they dont pay my ticket to go to japan, to do a softball interview Smiley: lol Nor do i have to comply with their NDA because "Then we dont get access" etc etc.

P.S Not questioning your integrity, but hey you have more reason than me to play nice to SE.
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#129 Apr 08 2013 at 2:40 PM Rating: Good
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Only about 1/8th of a total population will log into the game concurrently (statistical average over many platforms),

Not at the beginning of a MMO's lifetime.

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I.E. at some point in 2012, at least 100,000 people played and paid for FFXIV. 100K subs is not great, but it's not as horrible as the "only 20K people played FFXIV 1.0" number I'd seen thrown around before.

Well. I paid exactly 3 months to grab legacy, because those 5000 円 crysta would have expired after 2 years anyway...
That was long after I had uninstalled the game. And strictly speaking, that doesn't mean we had 100k concurrent subs
at any point in time...

For me, it took several months until I realized the game was really that bad. And that it wasn't me whose perception
was skewed, and that there was no secret conspiracy of critics on a Blizzard payroll who desperately tried to badmouth
a brilliant game.

Edited, Apr 8th 2013 4:53pm by Rinsui
#130 Apr 08 2013 at 3:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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For the record, I never disputed the whole shipped versus sold argument. I do dispute player run census numbers though, /sea all is by no means conclusive.

Regarding your question, you know I can't answer that publicly, and will not, but suffice to say my answer may not be what you think.

I consider you a troll because you continue to post in these forums when it's clear you have absolutely no interest in playing the game once it launches and relish in poking at those of us who plan to and are excited for it.

Regarding your comments about "keeping SE happy", they did indeed pay to fly me to San Francisco not Japan (Japan might have been cheaper, Elmer could have driven there I imagine instead of me going) but aside from that one hand out I have received nothing else from them, not this mythical "access" you are going on about. You ARE questioning my integrity, and for some reason you can't figure out why a person might like this game since you don't and therefore we are "white knights" because of it. Be very careful about what else you say, I'm being very patient with you right now even though your post is incredibly rude and inflammatory.
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#131 Apr 08 2013 at 3:16 PM Rating: Decent
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Wint wrote:
For the record, I never disputed the whole shipped versus sold argument. I do dispute player run census numbers though, /sea all is by no means conclusive.

Regarding your question, you know I can't answer that publicly, and will not, but suffice to say my answer may not be what you think.

I consider you a troll because you continue to post in these forums when it's clear you have absolutely no interest in playing the game once it launches and relish in poking at those of us who plan to and are excited for it.

Regarding your comments about "keeping SE happy", they did indeed pay to fly me to San Francisco not Japan (Japan might have been cheaper, Elmer could have driven there I imagine instead of me going) but aside from that one hand out I have received nothing else from them, not this mythical "access" you are going on about. You ARE questioning my integrity, and for some reason you can't figure out why a person might like this game since you don't and therefore we are "white knights" because of it. Be very careful about what else you say, I'm being very patient with you right now even though your post is incredibly rude and inflammatory.


Something about Wint tightening his belt and rolling up his sleeves is hawt ;o ..lol jk! Dont hurt me >.<;
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#132 Apr 08 2013 at 3:21 PM Rating: Excellent
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SaitoMishima wrote:

Something about Wint tightening his belt and rolling up his sleeves is hawt ;o ..lol jk! Dont hurt me >.<;



I loled with this. Smiley: lolSmiley: lol
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#133 Apr 08 2013 at 4:03 PM Rating: Good
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Wint wrote:
For the record, I never disputed the whole shipped versus sold argument. I do dispute player run census numbers though, /sea all is by no means conclusive.

Regarding your question, you know I can't answer that publicly, and will not, but suffice to say my answer may not be what you think.

I consider you a troll because you continue to post in these forums when it's clear you have absolutely no interest in playing the game once it launches and relish in poking at those of us who plan to and are excited for it.

Regarding your comments about "keeping SE happy", they did indeed pay to fly me to San Francisco not Japan (Japan might have been cheaper, Elmer could have driven there I imagine instead of me going) but aside from that one hand out I have received nothing else from them, not this mythical "access" you are going on about. You ARE questioning my integrity, and for some reason you can't figure out why a person might like this game since you don't and therefore we are "white knights" because of it. Be very careful about what else you say, I'm being very patient with you right now even though your post is incredibly rude and inflammatory.


Before they removed the option to see the # of people online in a server, it was pretty conclusive, and it was never an indication that there where 630K players ever present, more along the lines of 200K the first month, later on ? Sure see all is not as conclusive, but it gives a pretty good indication of how many people play at a server.

I know you cannot answer my question, that is why i asked it Smiley: lol But now i am really intrigued on what your opinion is :)

I have never said "I have absolutly no interest in playing this game" I am legacy, i paid for the development of the game, the only difference is that i do not worship Yoshi or SE, and i am againts this attitude that Yoshi or SE can do no wrong, and that you should be lucky to even play their game, when is totally the opposite, I bet you cannot quote me saying "ARR WILL FAIL NO METTER WHAT GG NOOBS" What i have said is "ARR will fail if they only cater to the hardcore legacy crowd that is content with whatever SE gives them" which is true, and even Yoshi has stated so :) As far as poking you guys, kachi is around wint, we do not want to get into the whole kachi/wint fan fiction do we ? Smiley: lol

You questioned mine first, you see if you do not pick a fight with me, i do not pick one with you, calling somebody a troll is dismissive, specially when all i did was point out that those figures where shipped not sold, which is not a secret is a dead horse we have beaten to death :) If i had made some crazy arugment about how ARR was gonna fail or something, then you might have had a point, but just because i am not the typical "Yoshi is god, respect yoshi and prise him" type of forum poster, does not mean i am a troll.

Also if you like the game, Great! I applaud the fact you like my vision of the game.
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