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#1 Apr 08 2013 at 8:46 AM Rating: Default
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I've been advertising ARR to my friends a bit, and the general consensus appears to be that the game is just too expensive.

They will need to buy a $30 or $40 copy of the game, then spend $15 a month after that. Basically, they don't want to risk wasting that much money, since the game already failed once...

Do you think Square Enix is asking for too much? If so, what would be more fair pricing?
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Not really, no. It's too expensive for people who shouldn't be spending money on an MMO if they find $15+/month non-legacy expensive. "What would be fair pricing" to the gamers of today is a fully packed game for free which is why they state any MMO that isn't F2P will fail.

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Not at all, any new game is $60 a pop, but considering this is an MMO, it will be $40-50 and 14.99 is the standard MMO fee.

So not to expensive.
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I know that it would be fair pricing for an entirely new game, but ARR still has the XIV name attached, and people apparently would feel 'ripped off' if they had to pay a high retail price for a game that came out years ago.
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I know that it would be fair pricing for an entirely new game, but ARR still has the XIV name attached, and people apparently would feel 'ripped off' if they had to pay a high retail price for a game that came out years ago.

Good thing they don't have to.
P.S.: Games in the bargain bin are there because they belong there. FFXIV does not.

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Then they should wait for reviews? Or even better try it out in open beta first before purchasing? Common price point so tell your friends to check out open beta.....
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What's with all these broke-ass gamers lately? Seems like people are just so accustomed to paying NOTHING that they fool themselves into thinking a typical subscription game is "expensive." Even if you only play it for 3 months, with the up front costs, that's about $30 a month for unlimited playtime. If you don't feel you're getting your money's worth with that, you should be working more and playing less.

I dropped that cash on MMOs when I was a broke college student all the time.
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#9 Apr 08 2013 at 9:30 AM Rating: Good
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What about rewording that title into "Am I too cheap?"
You'd get a lot more positive comments for that one.
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No, it's not too expensive, when you consider the total hours of game play.

A brand new good modern day game can bring in 80-100 hours of game play for $60, for at least one or two play throughs. Sixty cents an hour. Most people will spam through at least their first play through in a month.

ARR will be $50 on PS3. They make up for the cost of the initial game with 30 days of free play time. So the first month, assuming you play 20 hours a week (low end for an MMO) puts it on par at 80 hours a month with any other new PS3 game in terms of cost per hour. After the second month, the cost per hour of game play drops dramatically.

So, ARR is commiserate with prices of any other PS3 game, and becomes a veritable entertainment bargain by the second month.
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No, it's not too expensive, when you consider the total hours of game play.

A brand new good modern day game can bring in 80-100 hours of game play for $60, for at least one or two play throughs. Sixty cents an hour. Most people will spam through at least their first play through in a month.

ARR will be $50 on PS3. They make up for the cost of the initial game with 30 days of free play time. So the first month, assuming you play 20 hours a week (low end for an MMO) puts it on par at 80 hours a month with any other new PS3 game in terms of cost per hour. After the second month, the cost per hour of game play drops dramatically.

So, ARR is commiserate with prices of any other PS3 game, and becomes a veritable entertainment bargain by the second month.


ARR on PS3 is 40 not 50


I just noticed this is a Killua topic... god why did I even reply to this.. oh well.

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So, even cheaper compared to a one use game.
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I'll leave this open for now but I was pretty sure that everyone would be responding the way they did. If it degenerates into flaming though I'll lock it.

OT: no, it's not too expensive. I'm going to buy a second copy so my wife can give it a try and I feel it will be a worthy investment even if she decides it's not for her.
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If we look it as a new game that didn't have XIV none would say its too expensive. Its a normal payout 15 a month. Now if we take into accord that it has XIV some yes may say that. But that doesn't mean it really is. People who say that without seeing the game are not really kin into playing. I bet my money if for a or b reason increase in popularity they will try it.

But seriously you've said you've been advertising the game, you yourself don't believe that the game is gonna be good enough. If i believe something is not good i won't even mention it to my friends.
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ITT: Killua is worried.
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#18 Apr 08 2013 at 10:17 AM Rating: Good
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Killua125 wrote:
I've been advertising ARR to my friends a bit, and the general consensus appears to be that the game is just too expensive.

They will need to buy a $30 or $40 copy of the game, then spend $15 a month after that. Basically, they don't want to risk wasting that much money, since the game already failed once...

Do you think Square Enix is asking for too much? If so, what would be more fair pricing?


No.

Also, you've been advertising this game? If your advertisements are as negative as your posts, who can blame them...

And finally, everyone can just play the beta in Phase 4. Everyone. So.... 40 bucks and 2 months free. Sounds way overpriced to me...

Edited, Apr 8th 2013 12:20pm by Louiscool
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ITT: Killua is worried.


I am!

lol, at the people saying I'm too cheap... I already own the game.
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Sure It's too much money if they don't want to play it. Its a lot of money to pay for a game you don't want to play. So for people that don't want to play FFXIV, it costs too much to play.

For people that want to play FFXIV though, the price is fine.

Actually, I remember finding it interesting, years back, that getting into FFXI actually saved me a lot of money. I went a pretty long time without buying any retail games. Just paid my subscription fee and played FFXI whenever I wanted to play. I don't think an MMO is a substitute for all other games, but I would definitely say that they are a very cheap way to play games. And I'm specifically referring to Pay2play, because you really do get a substantial amount of content for your subscription fee.

So is the price too much? no.

Was it a stupid question to begin with? It's not for me to judge. [.....but probably yes]
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I mean, ok... let's play our game.

Bioshock Infinite is $60.
FFXIV:ARR is $40 (probably) plus a $15/month subscription fee after the first month.

That means that after a two month period of time, ARR has cost you $55. Did Bioshock Infinite entertain you for two solid months? Probably not. It's good, but after 30-40 hours, you're done.

A two month time period is plenty of time to decide whether or not you'd like to continue paying for the game. And even if you decide not to, hey, two months of gameplay for less than the cost of a triple-A title.
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Killua125 wrote:
(Here is a rehashing of what I've exclusively talked about the past couple weeks in a new thread)


It's an MMO with a subscription. It has a far cheaper start up cost than WoW. It is cheaper than it's primary competitor. What else is there to say?

In my opinion and case MMOs with subs are cheaper than normal gaming habits. I don't buy new games when I have an MMO to occupy my time and that saves me money in the long run when I pick up titles a year or two down the line for $20. Obviously it is more expensive than a non MMO, but that's part of the territory.

If you want this to turn into another F2P vs P2P "discussion" then you might want to go to a different forum for that, as I'm pretty sure everyone is too busy (NDA) the (NDA) to bother. <.<
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Yeah I save a lot of money when I have an MMO to subscribe to. Used to be FFXI but lately I just don't have the time to sit down and get anything meaningful done. I'd love to finish my Empyrean weapon, but I'm just not excited about having to beg my friends to help me kill 2 NM's over and over again (not to mention getting the KI for them), even though they're awesome people and wouldn't mind.
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Bottom line is, none of this stuff really matters. The name of the game was tarnished with V1.0. But that doesn't really matter. If the new game is good and it gets good reviews, and most of the people that play it say that its excellent, than people will come play it, and it will be popular.

No one is gonna say to themselves "well, the game is universally praised, and it looks great, but that old version from two years ago was supposed to be really bad, so I don't want to play it anymore." No ones gonna say that.

The only thing that really matters is the quality of the new game when it comes out, and how it's received by players and reviewers. If it's very good than they will build a subscriber base over time. I'm pretty sure Yoshi-P said something along these lines as well, and I think it makes perfect sense.

If the game is not as good as it looks right now than it may very well crash and burn. But I won't really care, because it's not good, so it won't matter to me what happens to it. Very simple. Nothing to worry about.

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Haha, agreed Wint. I started playing with my g/f again last summer and we couldn't even begin to get those done with just us two. OF course she and I both had the hardest ones made that way for no foreseeable reason (dagger and h2h). Most of our time was spent getting me up to par from when i quit shortly after WOTG... man, if only i kept playing and had all of BLU's spells since then...
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#26 Apr 08 2013 at 12:11 PM Rating: Excellent
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I've been advertising ARR to my friends a bit


I'm not going to lie. This worries me.
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Why does this argument come up EVERY TIME a P2P MMO comes to the market? They said these things about FFXI, WoW, DCUO when it was P2P, it's ridiculous. You pay more than $15 dollars a month for a cell-phone plan that still has restrictions on usage, unless you pay even more to get unlimited talk/text/data. People do that without thinking twice. It's not necessary to have a cell phone, despite what people think. The land-lines are still functional. An MMO comes along and offers unlimited log-in time and activity consumption for $15 a month and people lose their minds. I don't get it.

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Killua125 wrote:
I've been advertising ARR to my friends a bit


I'm not going to lie. This worries me.


Lmao! I had to laugh at this XD!
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I mean, ok... let's play our game.

Bioshock Infinite is $60.
FFXIV:ARR is $40 (probably) plus a $15/month subscription fee after the first month.

That means that after a two month period of time, ARR has cost you $55. Did Bioshock Infinite entertain you for two solid months? Probably not. It's good, but after 30-40 hours, you're done.

A two month time period is plenty of time to decide whether or not you'd like to continue paying for the game. And even if you decide not to, hey, two months of gameplay for less than the cost of a triple-A title.


Smiley: jawdrop Someone likes to smell the roses in their games, that's like 3-4 playthroughs for me.
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Average full completion for Bioshock Infinite was about 15 hours. You can probably speed through it and knock that down to about 9 or 10 hours.

Don't know why I can't stop calling it Infinity.

Edited, Apr 8th 2013 3:50pm by lolgaxe
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I'd just like to point out that $15/month is not likely going to be the rate most people will pay. There are cheaper options to consider:

1. The "Starter" rate, which is $13/month is the most likely rate casual gamers will choose for one character on one server if they are just trying things out (though it has the option of 7 other characters as long as they are each on different servers).

2. There are multi-month options that have yet to be announced (where you pay in 3 or 6 month chunks). I believe the reason they haven't been announced is that they will be comparable to the Legacy rate, only just not month-to-month (personally I'm betting 3 months = $13/month, 6 months = $10/month) but regardless, they have to be better than $15/month.

Edited, Apr 8th 2013 4:01pm by Xoie
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People complained that $15 was too much for Journey, which took about 2 hours per play through. However, it was designed for multiple play throughs (to get all the trophies, to earn your white robes, etc), and despite its paltry price per hour ratio it won multiple game of the year awards last year.

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Smiley: jawdrop Someone likes to smell the roses in their games, that's like 3-4 playthroughs for me.


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Average full completion for Bioshock Infinite was about 15 hours. You can probably speed through it and knock that down to about 9 or 10 hours.

Don't know why I can't stop calling it Infinity.

Edited, Apr 8th 2013 3:50pm by lolgaxe


That just makes the point MORE Smiley: nod

In the interest of full disclosure, I haven't played Bioshock Infinite yet. I just wanted a recent relevant example.
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Even if FFXIV 1.0 was the biggest **** out there, ARR is not 1.0, and it will not be 1.0, so $40 for the box and $14.99 mo. should not be a make or break deal for new players, since most MMO players understand and know that the standard fee for an MMO is $14.99. Also Legacy players pay way less than that, so even if your concerns or worrie's where true, a sizable # of people would still play it in the initial months, so it will not crash and burned as 1.0 in one month, that 50-75K loyal fan base will give SE 2-3 months of breading room, to adress w/e goes wrong (If something goes wrong)
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Actually I can provide an MMO example of this happening.

I played SWTOR at launch. I had a ton of fun leveling and doing the class storylines (so much so that I did it again on the other faction). That took two months. Then I was done.

$55 for two months of quality storytelling? Yes, please.
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Killua125 wrote:
(Here is a rehashing of what I've exclusively talked about the past couple weeks in a new thread)


It's an MMO with a subscription. It has a far cheaper start up cost than WoW. It is cheaper than it's primary competitor. What else is there to say?


I don't think WoW and FFXIV are competitors. At all.

As for the pricing... I'll have to agree to disagree with you folks. I think considering the failure of 1.0, it would be a good move to provide the game cheaply, and get more total people locked in.

I'm trying to put myself in the shoes of an average kid browsing his PS3 when the PSN updates... if I see a $40 MMORPG, I'm likely just going to roll my eyes and skip over it. A $20 MMORPG could be worth looking into. Then I could end up getting hooked.

$15 monthly would be the same price as World of Warcraft, but it's not World of Warcraft. Hopefully the bulk payment options for FFXIV are good deals.

Edited, Apr 8th 2013 5:43pm by Killua125
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The price seems to be in line with a generally accepted MMO subscription rate. Furthermore, $15 a month averages out to roughly .50 cents a day. That's a bargain! Fifty cents for a few hours of entertainment is quite cheap.
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Killua125 wrote:
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Killua125 wrote:
(Here is a rehashing of what I've exclusively talked about the past couple weeks in a new thread)


It's an MMO with a subscription. It has a far cheaper start up cost than WoW. It is cheaper than it's primary competitor. What else is there to say?


I don't think WoW and FFXIV are competitors. At all.

As for the pricing... I'll have to agree to disagree with you folks. I think considering the failure of 1.0, it would be a good move to provide the game cheaply, and get more total people locked in.

I'm trying to put myself in the shoes of an average kid browsing his PS3 when the PSN updates... if I see a $40 MMORPG, I'm likely just going to roll my eyes and skip over it. A $20 MMORPG could be worth looking into. Then I could end up getting hooked.

$15 monthly would be the same price as World of Warcraft, but it's not World of Warcraft. Hopefully the bulk payment options for FFXIV are good deals.

Edited, Apr 8th 2013 5:43pm by Killua125


Lol Yeah right.. If they did that then you would instead be saying, "Oh XIV is going to fail because they are losing so much money because they dont charge enough for box sales and monthly prem sales like other MMOs!"
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No, I wouldn't. MMORPGs make big money based on 1. a lot of people playing, 2. people playing and paying for a long time.

If people consider the prices too high, they're missing out on getting those peopled hooked in (which is where the money lies -- getting people hooked).
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See if you had made the argument that 2 different branches of players will pay different ammounts, that would have been an acceptable argument, since Legacy will pay considerably less than a new player will monthly, but i still think that $40 is an ok price for a new MMO.

And $14.99 is the standard price for all MMOS, unless WOW goes down, why should XI or XIV do it ?
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People keep saying "because 1.0 was terrible SE should this and that". Its not like that guys, they made a mistake they payed for it...and then some more, and now they made a completely new game and they will re launch it out there. Why should they give it less than what the rest of the market currently is?I will pay for it and i won't feel i've been cheated "just because 1.0 was a failure".

And before anyone say something, no, i am not a "fan" of FF series i have played 2 or 3 of them but was never hardcore gamer. I got interested in XIV and that is why i am here. So if someone like me, that has played tons of MMOs seen the whole 1.0 fiasco as an outsider can put some faith in SE and pay that normal 15$ then others can. If SE put a 20 or 25 per month then yes i would have laughed.

As for the 40$ for the game that is also a good price.
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I'd just like to point out that $15/month is not likely going to be the rate most people will pay. There are cheaper options to consider:

1. The "Starter" rate, which is $13/month is the most likely rate casual gamers will choose for one character on one server if they are just trying things out (though it has the option of 7 other characters as long as they are each on different servers).

2. There are multi-month options that have yet to be announced (where you pay in 3 or 6 month chunks). I believe the reason they haven't been announced is that they will be comparable to the Legacy rate, only just not month-to-month (personally I'm betting 3 months = $13/month, 6 months = $10/month) but regardless, they have to be better than $15/month.

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Im hoping for a 100-200 dollar lifetime membership.... Ill gladly pay them that and be done with it after all at 15 bucks a month youre paying 180 a year.. so if I have to just give them a years payment upfront and play the game for free for the rest of my life Ill do that lol.
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Lifetime memberships are a gamble. Look at all those people that bought Lifejournal liftetime members. Yes, Livejournal is still alive, but Facebook is where everyone moved to, and it's free.

I think the 3-6 month increments are reasonable. Maybe they can offer the lifetime memberships as prizes in fan conferences if the game does well.
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He's been asked about lifetime and at least for now it's not even on the table.
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He's been asked about lifetime and at least for now it's not even on the table.


What about if you pay a year ahead, you get to pay the price legacy players pay for the rest of your life ?

Sounds like a fair deal.
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If the reviews and word of mouth are good, than your friends won't think it's too much.

If people say the game is excellent, than the fact that v1.0 failed won't matter to most people. So, no, it's not too expensive.

I hope this answers your question.
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#47 Apr 08 2013 at 5:40 PM Rating: Good
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Killua125 wrote:
I don't think WoW and FFXIV are competitors. At all.

As for the pricing... I'll have to agree to disagree with you folks. I think considering the failure of 1.0, it would be a good move to provide the game cheaply, and get more total people locked in.

I'm trying to put myself in the shoes of an average kid browsing his PS3 when the PSN updates... if I see a $40 MMORPG, I'm likely just going to roll my eyes and skip over it. A $20 MMORPG could be worth looking into. Then I could end up getting hooked.

$15 monthly would be the same price as World of Warcraft, but it's not World of Warcraft. Hopefully the bulk payment options for FFXIV are good deals.


Any game on the market is a competitor, weather you see it that way or not. they are all trying to get your business.
You would seriously roll your eyes at a game that is cheaper than most of the rest?

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No, I wouldn't. MMORPGs make big money based on 1. a lot of people playing, 2. people playing and paying for a long time.

If people consider the prices too high, they're missing out on getting those peopled hooked in (which is where the money lies -- getting people hooked).


MMO's make a big chunk of their dev costs back through box sales. The monthly fees keep the servers running and pay for more content, and partial profit. The only people that might feel the pricing is too high, are people coming from F2P mmo's in which i would say to them:
Welcome to P2P, where you get what you pay for.
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#48 Apr 08 2013 at 6:02 PM Rating: Decent
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Teneleven wrote:
Welcome to P2P, where you get what you pay for.


P2P doesn't always equal quality. Several horrible, failed P2P MMORPGs, FFXIV 1.0 included, would like a word with you.

Edited, Apr 8th 2013 8:03pm by Killua125
#49 Apr 08 2013 at 6:15 PM Rating: Excellent
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FFXIV 1.0 never actually charged one monthly fee while it was horrible.
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#50 Apr 08 2013 at 7:15 PM Rating: Excellent
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Ostia wrote:
Wint wrote:
He's been asked about lifetime and at least for now it's not even on the table.


What about if you pay a year ahead, you get to pay the price legacy players pay for the rest of your life ?

Sounds like a fair deal.


I would personally love a lifetime option, I'd jump on that in a heartbeat. I can't say that your option would hold water with most of the existing legacy players (myself excluded, your idea makes sense to me), the howls of rage would be eardrum shattering.
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#51 Apr 08 2013 at 7:32 PM Rating: Good
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Killua125 wrote:
Teneleven wrote:
Welcome to P2P, where you get what you pay for.


P2P doesn't always equal quality. Several horrible, failed P2P MMORPGs, FFXIV 1.0 included, would like a word with you.

Edited, Apr 8th 2013 8:03pm by Killua125



which is why they made it free after the first month... so yeah i wouldnt call that a failed P2P mmo when it wasnt P2P for even 2 months
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