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#1 Apr 29 2013 at 7:36 PM Rating: Good
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**DISCLAIMER: Please Keep Graphical Experiences to New/Old Gridania and Player Creation. Do not discuss spell effects, combat, graphical bugs (if any), or anything encountered outside the gates).

For those wondering how their current builds might stand up to the current requirements in ARR, feel free to share your experiences in Gridania / Old Gridania performance wise. **DO NOT REFERENCE ANYTHING OUTSIDE THE GATES** I propose a format of Specs/How your benchmark scored/and how you felt your experience was in Gridania. Here's what I'm using:

http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/ - A site that provides video card comparison charts for performance.

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Intel i5-3570k
ATI Radeon 6950
8 GB lower latency memory
200 GB Corsair Force 3 SSD
Windows 7 Professional
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Benchmark Setting: Maximum
Benchmark Resolution: 1920 x 1080
Benchmark Score: 5587
Gridania Setting: Maximum
Gridania Resolution: 1920 x 1080
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Experience was very fast. Shadows were gorgeous, the world really felt alive. I had no slowdown or real loading issues moving between Old Gridania and New Gridania. The Aethercyte crystal in town was gorgeous, and the lighting effects depending on the time of day/night were pretty impressive. If you have specs similar to mine, I would expect your experience to be quite pleasant performance-wise.

Edited, Apr 29th 2013 6:39pm by desmar
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#2 Apr 29 2013 at 8:35 PM Rating: Default
I have a gtx 470 and mid-weekend upgraded to a 660 TI. Both scored me between 4k- 5k and Gridania ran like trash on 1920X1080 on maximum settings. A bit disappointing considering I ran 1.0 on max with relatively no slow down. The only thing I would disable on that version was ambient occlusion because for the life of me I couldn't tell a difference in appearance, only in frame rate. Anyways. I'm guessing to run Gridania at max settings and in all it's beauty you'll need a score of at least 6-7k on the benchmark.
#3 Apr 29 2013 at 9:31 PM Rating: Good
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electromagnet83 wrote:
I have a gtx 470 and mid-weekend upgraded to a 660 TI. Both scored me between 4k- 5k and Gridania ran like trash on 1920X1080 on maximum settings. A bit disappointing considering I ran 1.0 on max with relatively no slow down. The only thing I would disable on that version was ambient occlusion because for the life of me I couldn't tell a difference in appearance, only in frame rate. Anyways. I'm guessing to run Gridania at max settings and in all it's beauty you'll need a score of at least 6-7k on the benchmark.


Whats your CPU? Its probably bottle-necking your GPU as I'm running a 660 (Non Ti) with an i5 3570k and I hit 7k on benchmark.

Also wasn't 1.0 more demanding than ARR?
#4 Apr 29 2013 at 9:37 PM Rating: Good
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Yeah I was thinking something similar. That would account for the benchmark scores not changing much between cards. It kinda indicates that the slowdown is coming from somewhere else.

Edited, Apr 29th 2013 8:37pm by desmar
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#5 Apr 29 2013 at 9:44 PM Rating: Good
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The Benchmark isn't really a good tool from what I've gathered.

The rig I currently have ran low on the benchmark, and I just switched a couple settings around and Gridania runs fine even in the busiest of times.
#6 Apr 29 2013 at 10:12 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm not posting my benchmark score because it would be pointless, my reasoning being is that my CPU bottlenecks my GPUs, and Crossfire/SLI are not implemented yet as far as I know, also, the game handled better than what the score gave me credit for. However with my build, inside Old/New Gridania, everything held up well with a little lag when certain areas were heavily populated on Medium-High(custom) settings. I was using 2 screens, 1 for FFXIV and the other for internet, also never turned off Aero.

Win7 Home
6GB Ram(4Corsair/2OCZ)
XFX 5770HDx2(crossfire unavailable for FFXIV atm)
E7500 Core2Duo(2.93GHz)
1920 x 1080 Fullscreen/Borderless

Edited, Apr 30th 2013 12:43am by Demonadrastos
#7 Apr 30 2013 at 3:40 AM Rating: Good
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In 1.0, even on lowest settings, i got massive slowdown and lag. In ARR, on max settings i have 0 problems.

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16GB DDR3 corsair RAM
AMD Phenom II X6 1090T
120GB Corsair force GT SSD

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RES: 1680 X 1050
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#8 Apr 30 2013 at 4:22 AM Rating: Excellent
My experience with the game in the beta has been very positive. I've left everything at max settings and like I said in my Q&A thread, I average between 45-60 FPS.

Intel i7 2600k (stock clock)
EVGA P67 FTW
8GB DDR3 2133 Ripjaws RAM
EVGA 650 Ti BOOST Superclocked 2GB (2x)
180GB Intel 520 Series SSD

Benchmark
Max Settings, resolution 1920 x 1080, Full screen
Score 5676
#9 Apr 30 2013 at 7:06 AM Rating: Good
WoodGooner wrote:
electromagnet83 wrote:
I have a gtx 470 and mid-weekend upgraded to a 660 TI. Both scored me between 4k- 5k and Gridania ran like trash on 1920X1080 on maximum settings. A bit disappointing considering I ran 1.0 on max with relatively no slow down. The only thing I would disable on that version was ambient occlusion because for the life of me I couldn't tell a difference in appearance, only in frame rate. Anyways. I'm guessing to run Gridania at max settings and in all it's beauty you'll need a score of at least 6-7k on the benchmark.


Whats your CPU? Its probably bottle-necking your GPU as I'm running a 660 (Non Ti) with an i5 3570k and I hit 7k on benchmark.

Also wasn't 1.0 more demanding than ARR?


Perhaps youre right but to test this I opened the cpu monitor and ran the game full screen with all settings on high for 60 seconds. When I alt+tabbed back the usage over 60 seconds never spiked more than about 65%. I would think, at least theoretically, that I would see my CPU bogging to 100% quite often which wasnt the case at all. I have 16 gb of ram and that never accessed more than about 2.2 of it at any given time as well. Granted the "660 ti" I bought was a 2gb card (probably a low model) and when compared to my GTX 470 with 1248mb of Vram (probably a high model) I could see how it wasnt a huge leap in performance, about 700 more on the benchmark. I bet if I ran, say a 4gb 680 it would run much better. Only time will tell though...

Any thoughts ?
#10 Apr 30 2013 at 7:38 AM Rating: Good
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electromagnet83 wrote:
Perhaps youre right but to test this I opened the cpu monitor and ran the game full screen with all settings on high for 60 seconds. When I alt+tabbed back the usage over 60 seconds never spiked more than about 65%. I would think, at least theoretically, that I would see my CPU bogging to 100% quite often which wasnt the case at all. I have 16 gb of ram and that never accessed more than about 2.2 of it at any given time as well. Granted the "660 ti" I bought was a 2gb card (probably a low model) and when compared to my GTX 470 with 1248mb of Vram (probably a high model) I could see how it wasnt a huge leap in performance, about 700 more on the benchmark. I bet if I ran, say a 4gb 680 it would run much better. Only time will tell though...

Any thoughts ?


Your cpu can be at 50% and still bottleneck your gpu for example: the Source engine uses two threads/cores, so it will hit about 50% usage (50% on a four core, 100% on a dual core, 33% on a hexa core, 25% on a 8 core, 66% on a tri core) and then start bottle-necking the GPU.

I really don't know what else it could be that limiting your performance as we both have 16gb of ram and gtx 660's (yours even a Ti)

Now I don't know specifics on ARR's engine nor can I check out Gridania until phase 4 but what CPU do you have in your system?





Edited, Apr 30th 2013 9:41am by WoodGooner
#11 Apr 30 2013 at 8:57 AM Rating: Good
WoodGooner wrote:
electromagnet83 wrote:
Perhaps youre right but to test this I opened the cpu monitor and ran the game full screen with all settings on high for 60 seconds. When I alt+tabbed back the usage over 60 seconds never spiked more than about 65%. I would think, at least theoretically, that I would see my CPU bogging to 100% quite often which wasnt the case at all. I have 16 gb of ram and that never accessed more than about 2.2 of it at any given time as well. Granted the "660 ti" I bought was a 2gb card (probably a low model) and when compared to my GTX 470 with 1248mb of Vram (probably a high model) I could see how it wasnt a huge leap in performance, about 700 more on the benchmark. I bet if I ran, say a 4gb 680 it would run much better. Only time will tell though...

Any thoughts ?


Your cpu can be at 50% and still bottleneck your gpu for example: the Source engine uses two threads/cores, so it will hit about 50% usage (50% on a four core, 100% on a dual core, 33% on a hexa core, 25% on a 8 core, 66% on a tri core) and then start bottle-necking the GPU.

I really don't know what else it could be that limiting your performance as we both have 16gb of ram and gtx 660's (yours even a Ti)

Now I don't know specifics on ARR's engine nor can I check out Gridania until phase 4 but what CPU do you have in your system?

Edited, Apr 30th 2013 9:41am by WoodGooner


Well first let me say When i put the 660 ti in the game did run better. $350 (Best Buy) better? No definitely not so I took the card back and ran with my 470 all weekend. I have a phenom x4 3.4 ghz. black edition.


Edited, Apr 30th 2013 11:06am by electromagnet83
#12 Apr 30 2013 at 11:02 AM Rating: Good
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I can confirm that the benchmark doesn't necessarily reflect how your system will perform in the game.

The actual game is much more CPU intensive than the benchmark.

With an old Phenom ii 955 and a GTX 460, I scored about 3700 on the benchmark on max settings 1080p.
According to the benchmark this score is "High: Easily capable of running the game. Should perform well, even at higher resolutions."

However, when I run the game at 1080p max settings, I stand at the main aetheryte in town where there are a bunch of people standing around, and I just hold down my arrow key so my camera keeps spinning around and around. I get an average of about 18 fps. Now -that- is not what I'd consider "High" performance.

Next I switched the GTX 460 out for a GTX 660, overclocked it to 1221Mhz core and +300 memory. I scored about 5700 on the benchmark on max settings 1080p.
According to the benchmark, this score is "Very High: Easily capable of running the game. Should perform exceptionally well, even at higher resolutions."

However, in the actual game itself, doing the same thing as I did before, my average fps went up to only about 22fps. GPU usage fluctuated between 45-55% only. Highest it ever went was about 60%. Huge CPU bottleneck.

So yeah, the game itself is way, way more CPU intensive than the benchmark.

Edit: One of the CPU's cores was running over 90% while the other 3 cores were about 60%. So the game isn't optimized well enough for multiple cores.

Edited, Apr 30th 2013 12:06pm by Threx
#13 Apr 30 2013 at 11:12 AM Rating: Decent
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Very strange indeed as your cpu should be good enough to handle any game that's currently out.

And the 660 ti will beat out the 470 in every category with the exception of computing performance but that has to do with work related purposes and not necessarily gaming performance.
http://gpuboss.com/gpus/GeForce-GTX-660-Ti-vs-GeForce-GTX-470#top

As is though, your black edition cpu and gtx 470 is a healthy setup for ARR on high settings.

#14 Apr 30 2013 at 11:30 AM Rating: Good
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So yeah, the game itself is way, way more CPU intensive than the benchmark.

Edit: One of the CPU's cores was running over 90% while the other 3 cores were about 60%. So the game isn't optimized well enough for multiple cores.

Edited, Apr 30th 2013 12:06pm by Threx


WoodGooner wrote:
Very strange indeed as your cpu should be good enough to handle any game that's currently out.

And the 660 ti will beat out the 470 in every category with the exception of computing performance but that has to do with work related purposes and not necessarily gaming performance.
http://gpuboss.com/gpus/GeForce-GTX-660-Ti-vs-GeForce-GTX-470#top

As is though, your black edition cpu and gtx 470 is a healthy setup for ARR on high settings.



That all makes sense. As I said the 660ti I bought was probably a low end version while the 470 I have is actually a pretty beefed up high end version that I installed a Zalman dual fan cooler on. While both cards scored between 4k and 4.9k on the benchmark, and while the 660Ti did show SOME improvement in the game itself, it ultimately would not have been worth the $350 to upgrade. I will probably wait to see how much better they have optimized Phase 3 for various systems before I decide on any upgrades.

And like I said before, aside from ambient occlusion I ran 1.0 on 1080p with all settings maxed and it rarely ever slowed down like I experience in 2.0. Odd considering 2.0 should be "easier" on systems. My best guess at this point in time is that the game simply isn't optimized for every system out there yet. Mine happens to be one that runs it pretty poorly Smiley: frown
#15 Apr 30 2013 at 12:26 PM Rating: Good
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Threx wrote:
I can confirm that the benchmark doesn't necessarily reflect how your system will perform in the game.

The actual game is much more CPU intensive than the benchmark.

With an old Phenom ii 955 and a GTX 460, I scored about 3700 on the benchmark on max settings 1080p.
According to the benchmark this score is "High: Easily capable of running the game. Should perform well, even at higher resolutions."

However, when I run the game at 1080p max settings, I stand at the main aetheryte in town where there are a bunch of people standing around, and I just hold down my arrow key so my camera keeps spinning around and around. I get an average of about 18 fps. Now -that- is not what I'd consider "High" performance.

Next I switched the GTX 460 out for a GTX 660, overclocked it to 1221Mhz core and +300 memory. I scored about 5700 on the benchmark on max settings 1080p.
According to the benchmark, this score is "Very High: Easily capable of running the game. Should perform exceptionally well, even at higher resolutions."

However, in the actual game itself, doing the same thing as I did before, my average fps went up to only about 22fps. GPU usage fluctuated between 45-55% only. Highest it ever went was about 60%. Huge CPU bottleneck.

So yeah, the game itself is way, way more CPU intensive than the benchmark.

Edit: One of the CPU's cores was running over 90% while the other 3 cores were about 60%. So the game isn't optimized well enough for multiple cores.

Edited, Apr 30th 2013 12:06pm by Threx


My experience was the opposite.

My benchmark score was in the 1900s on medium settings and the game runs fine. You may want to check your drivers.

Either that, or it's currently optimized for lower-end devices and the higher-end graphics aren't doing so well without the DirectX 11 client up yet. Either case I'm about two to three hundred dollars away from getting a decent GPU.

Edited, Apr 30th 2013 2:29pm by Hyrist
#16 Apr 30 2013 at 12:35 PM Rating: Decent
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Mine happens to be one that runs it pretty poorly Smiley: frown


Same here. Our CPUs are identical. Yours is the Phenom 965, which is is basically my 955 clocked a bit higher from 3.2 to 3.4. Our GPUs were also almost the same, with your GTX 470 being a tier higher than my 460, hence your 4k benchmark results being a bit higher than my 3.7k results. Even upgrading to a GTX 660, in-game performance barely changed.

And since Wint's 2600k + GTX 650 Ti boost is getting 45-60 fps, I can only assume our CPUs are the big bottleneck. There is no other explanation.

Gotta wait and see how much they optimize the game over the next few months. I'm already planning on getting a new CPU once Haswell is released, so my CPU bottleneck will be gone. Expecting to see a solid 60 fps with an overclocked i5-4670k + GTX 660 combo. :)
#17 Apr 30 2013 at 12:41 PM Rating: Decent
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Hyrist wrote:

My experience was the opposite.

My benchmark score was in the 1900s on medium settings and the game runs fine. You may want to check your drivers.


Drivers are up to date. :)

What CPU, Ram, and GPU and you running? You said you got 1900 score on the benchmark on med settings, what was the resolution, and was that windowed or full screen?

And when you say "the game runs fine," can you give more details? What settings? Res? CPU+GPU usage? FPS in crowded areas like at the aetheryte?

#18 Apr 30 2013 at 1:22 PM Rating: Decent
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7200 benchmark high. Some absurd number on low.

Zero lag in Gridania, 6000 x 1080 or 1920 x 1080. I didn't have my FPS setting on in afterburner for the 2d surround set up so I can't say FPS wise where I was at but it always seemed to be above 30 with zero spikes the whole time. 1920 x 1080 always 50+ fps. I'll cap some screenshots of my GPU stats next phase.

Definitely a GPU dependent game.

Edited, Apr 30th 2013 3:23pm by burtonsnow
#19 Apr 30 2013 at 1:23 PM Rating: Default
Threx wrote:
electromagnet83 wrote:
Mine happens to be one that runs it pretty poorly Smiley: frown


Same here. Our CPUs are identical. Yours is the Phenom 965, which is is basically my 955 clocked a bit higher from 3.2 to 3.4. Our GPUs were also almost the same, with your GTX 470 being a tier higher than my 460, hence your 4k benchmark results being a bit higher than my 3.7k results. Even upgrading to a GTX 660, in-game performance barely changed.

And since Wint's 2600k + GTX 650 Ti boost is getting 45-60 fps, I can only assume our CPUs are the big bottleneck. There is no other explanation.

Gotta wait and see how much they optimize the game over the next few months. I'm already planning on getting a new CPU once Haswell is released, so my CPU bottleneck will be gone. Expecting to see a solid 60 fps with an overclocked i5-4670k + GTX 660 combo. :)


Well that sucks because I run mine in an HTPC using a micro-atx board that supports 16gb of memory and a full size graphics card. It can't seem to find any modern mobos that have that same agility, but for a newer processor and in micro-atx form.
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electromagnet83 wrote:

Well that sucks because I run mine in an HTPC using a micro-atx board that supports 16gb of memory and a full size graphics card. It can't seem to find any modern mobos that have that same agility, but for a newer processor and in micro-atx form.


Dunno how small you need but there are a bunch of micro atx boards on newegg that support amd fx cpus. However, none of them have pcie 3.0 slots.

Time to buy a new case. =P
#21 Apr 30 2013 at 2:16 PM Rating: Default
Threx wrote:
electromagnet83 wrote:

Well that sucks because I run mine in an HTPC using a micro-atx board that supports 16gb of memory and a full size graphics card. It can't seem to find any modern mobos that have that same agility, but for a newer processor and in micro-atx form.


Dunno how small you need but there are a bunch of micro atx boards on newegg that support amd fx cpus. However, none of them have pcie 3.0 slots.

Time to buy a new case. =P


I'm going to hold off and see if I can get away with nothing or just a new GFX card first. My PC was built for 1.0 and ran it just fine. Since this one is supposed to be easier on the system I have to play the wait-and-see game for phase 3 and 4. Maybe they will modify and make adjustments that will enable smoother operation across a number of different setups, mine included. And maybe by then I can opt to get a new card only, if I want to play it maxed with good frame rates. Time will tell.
#22 Apr 30 2013 at 2:50 PM Rating: Good
Hyrist wrote:
Threx wrote:
I can confirm that the benchmark doesn't necessarily reflect how your system will perform in the game.

The actual game is much more CPU intensive than the benchmark.

With an old Phenom ii 955 and a GTX 460, I scored about 3700 on the benchmark on max settings 1080p.
According to the benchmark this score is "High: Easily capable of running the game. Should perform well, even at higher resolutions."

However, when I run the game at 1080p max settings, I stand at the main aetheryte in town where there are a bunch of people standing around, and I just hold down my arrow key so my camera keeps spinning around and around. I get an average of about 18 fps. Now -that- is not what I'd consider "High" performance.

Next I switched the GTX 460 out for a GTX 660, overclocked it to 1221Mhz core and +300 memory. I scored about 5700 on the benchmark on max settings 1080p.
According to the benchmark, this score is "Very High: Easily capable of running the game. Should perform exceptionally well, even at higher resolutions."

However, in the actual game itself, doing the same thing as I did before, my average fps went up to only about 22fps. GPU usage fluctuated between 45-55% only. Highest it ever went was about 60%. Huge CPU bottleneck.

So yeah, the game itself is way, way more CPU intensive than the benchmark.

Edit: One of the CPU's cores was running over 90% while the other 3 cores were about 60%. So the game isn't optimized well enough for multiple cores.

Edited, Apr 30th 2013 12:06pm by Threx


My experience was the opposite.

My benchmark score was in the 1900s on medium settings and the game runs fine. You may want to check your drivers.

Either that, or it's currently optimized for lower-end devices and the higher-end graphics aren't doing so well without the DirectX 11 client up yet. Either case I'm about two to three hundred dollars away from getting a decent GPU.

Edited, Apr 30th 2013 2:29pm by Hyrist


Saving up for that EVGA Titan Hyrist? Smiley: tongue
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Threx wrote:
Edit: One of the CPU's cores was running over 90% while the other 3 cores were about 60%. So the game isn't optimized well enough for multiple cores.


If all your cores were running between 50 and 100% isn't that the definition of optimized? None of them were under or over-utilized.
#24 Apr 30 2013 at 3:22 PM Rating: Default
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Core i5 3570k
GTX 680 x2 SLI
16 GB Ram

7200 benchmark high. Some absurd number on low.

Zero lag in Gridania, 6000 x 1080 or 1920 x 1080. I didn't have my FPS setting on in afterburner for the 2d surround set up so I can't say FPS wise where I was at but it always seemed to be above 30 with zero spikes the whole time. 1920 x 1080 always 50+ fps. I'll cap some screenshots of my GPU stats next phase.

Definitely a GPU dependent game.

Edited, Apr 30th 2013 3:23pm by burtonsnow


Interesting. I am looking at a 680 4gb card. Hopefully that will be the only thing I need to upgrade, if anything at all.
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Well first let me say When i put the 660 ti in the game did run better. $350 (Best Buy) better? No definitely not so I took the card back and ran with my 470 all weekend. I have a phenom x4 3.4 ghz. black edition.



Strange you paid $350 for the card and i paid less than $300 *(GTX 660 TI - Also got the same processor you mentioned phenom II x4 3.4 Ghz. Working on a custom build and finally got all the pieces together to start putting it together and doesn't work. Taking it in for a diag to see what if any parts may be bad.

Needless to say this card and processor is a huge jump for me and expecting to do a lot better once I get it up and running


Edit: In one final attempt, went back through everything and noticed a few pins on the CPU were bent (no clue how being the processor fell into place smoothly) straightened them out and got it up and running. Now to d/l everything i had b4 and try the benchmark on max settings and full screen.





Edited, Apr 30th 2013 8:20pm by SillyHawk
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#26 Apr 30 2013 at 4:15 PM Rating: Default
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electromagnet83 wrote:

Well first let me say When i put the 660 ti in the game did run better. $350 (Best Buy) better? No definitely not so I took the card back and ran with my 470 all weekend. I have a phenom x4 3.4 ghz. black edition.



Strange you paid $350 for the card and i paid less than $300 *(GTX 660 TI - Also got the same processor you mentioned phenom II x4 3.4 Ghz. Working on a custom build and finally got all the pieces together to start putting it together and doesn't work. Taking it in for a diag to see what if any parts may be bad.

Needless to say this card and processor is a huge jump for me and expecting to do a lot better once I get it up and running





$350 was from best buy....about $60 more than what I saw it on newegg for. However I bought it with the intention of testing and taking back Smiley: nod and since Best Buy is .25 miles from my house.....it was much quicker than newegg shipping.
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