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#77 Jun 03 2013 at 12:52 PM Rating: Good
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Theonehio wrote:
Logic from some circles also dictated that Arcanist and Summoner use Grimoires (fancy name for books) so Scholar can't use them. I don't see Scholar coming from MSK at all, I see Corsair from it, sure. Yoshi has already said he wants to introduce Jobs without needing to introduce classes, they're only doing Class > Jobs because that's the current system but they're not held by it.


I'd like to see the quote of Yoshi saying that. I remember in our last letter he stated:

Q24: Will we be able to equip different types of weapons in the future?

A24: Hmmm. While I don’t want to say no, I personally think it’s better to just add new classes/jobs instead.

So while I wouldn't mind if two similar jobs get branched, I like where his head is currently. I'd be very nice for many people if ARC > RNG/BRD was an option, since they'll still be using bows, and the stats and ARC abilities don't conflict with RNG. The GLA > DRK is very contrary. Not because of the weapon, because FFT DRKs did use swords also. The stats and abilities are too defensive in nature.

While I'd rather an entire new class for SCH, I can follow the logic behind branching if they're both using books. The stats don't or shouldn't differ too greatly.

E3 is almost here! Hopefully it will clear up much of the convoluted speculation.

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Theonehio wrote:
Logic from some circles also dictated that Arcanist and Summoner use Grimoires (fancy name for books) so Scholar can't use them. I don't see Scholar coming from MSK at all, I see Corsair from it, sure. Yoshi has already said he wants to introduce Jobs without needing to introduce classes, they're only doing Class > Jobs because that's the current system but they're not held by it.


That'd be really stupid considering SCH in XI uses grimoires.

I still suspect it's Arcanist > Scholar and Something Else > Summoner.


I find that very agreeable. We always got the "subject to change disclaimer."



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#78 Jun 03 2013 at 1:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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So while I wouldn't mind if two similar jobs get branched, I like where his head is currently. I'd be very nice for many people if ARC > RNG/BRD was an option, since they'll still be using bows, and the stats and ARC abilities don't conflict with RNG. The GLA > DRK is very contrary. Not because of the weapon, because FFT DRKs did use swords also. The stats and abilities are too defensive in nature.


I like this idea. I would think that DRK would be a natural branch of MDR. Where WAR is the more disciplined fighter, DRK would be pure berserker fury. GLA could split between PLD and a hoplite or myrmidon type class, that still uses a shield but is more aggressive than PLD.

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#79 Jun 03 2013 at 1:39 PM Rating: Decent
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I was always fascinated by the SCH job in FFXI, choosing an elvaan when I was young and stupid pretty much kept the fascination at a distance. I still liked the idea of it though. I am curious what this SCH will turn out to be. I am torn, as it would be cool if they kept the "stance" idea from XI, allowing it to be a healer or DD by switching stances, but it would also be kind of lame if they simply took the XI sch and put it into XIV.
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#80 Jun 03 2013 at 2:01 PM Rating: Good
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I'm a little worried about the "stance" idea. SCH in FFXI did have an identity crisis. It was a wonderful SJ for WHM. Whenever I tried to main the job, I didn't know if I felt more comfortable in BLM burns or as a healer in a traditional party. I ended up soloing pets like I did with BLM and joined burns during the rare times I got an invite.
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#81 Jun 03 2013 at 2:31 PM Rating: Excellent
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Catwho wrote:
Theonehio wrote:
Logic from some circles also dictated that Arcanist and Summoner use Grimoires (fancy name for books) so Scholar can't use them. I don't see Scholar coming from MSK at all, I see Corsair from it, sure. Yoshi has already said he wants to introduce Jobs without needing to introduce classes, they're only doing Class > Jobs because that's the current system but they're not held by it.


That'd be really stupid considering SCH in XI uses grimoires.

I still suspect it's Arcanist > Scholar and Something Else > Summoner.


I believe something else!

I think the idea is to eventually have more than one job spring from a class, and the Arcanist class will be the first to feature this. Summoner and Scholar jobs will both come from Arcanist.
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#82 Jun 03 2013 at 3:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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It's just what we all wanted!


I'm not going to lie, I saw your name and cringed a little bit, but this was funny. +1 to you sir for making me think wrong! Smiley: laugh
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#83 Jun 03 2013 at 3:31 PM Rating: Good
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At least sometimes my posts come off as lighthearted (which they're supposed to).

New jobs are great, but for me it's a strange choice.
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#84 Jun 03 2013 at 3:35 PM Rating: Good
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Xoie wrote:
Catwho wrote:
Theonehio wrote:
Logic from some circles also dictated that Arcanist and Summoner use Grimoires (fancy name for books) so Scholar can't use them. I don't see Scholar coming from MSK at all, I see Corsair from it, sure. Yoshi has already said he wants to introduce Jobs without needing to introduce classes, they're only doing Class > Jobs because that's the current system but they're not held by it.


That'd be really stupid considering SCH in XI uses grimoires.

I still suspect it's Arcanist > Scholar and Something Else > Summoner.


I believe something else!

I think the idea is to eventually have more than one job spring from a class, and the Arcanist class will be the first to feature this. Summoner and Scholar jobs will both come from Arcanist.


Me too. You can lose Carby and delve completely in to magic, or choose to focus on summoning Carby's homies and lose the magic.
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#85 Jun 03 2013 at 3:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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Killua125 wrote:
At least sometimes my posts come off as lighthearted (which they're supposed to).

New jobs are great, but for me it's a strange choice.


Agreed. Out of all the mage classes they could have chosen that would have made every man and woman here nerdgasm, they went with that.

Just hit post schfif-teen-teen!

Edited, Jun 3rd 2013 5:44pm by IKickYoDog
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#86 Jun 03 2013 at 5:04 PM Rating: Excellent
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IKickYoDog wrote:
Killua125 wrote:
At least sometimes my posts come off as lighthearted (which they're supposed to).

New jobs are great, but for me it's a strange choice.


Agreed. Out of all the mage classes they could have chosen that would have made every man and woman here nerdgasm, they went with that.

Just hit post schfif-teen-teen!

Edited, Jun 3rd 2013 5:44pm by IKickYoDog


Congrats on post triple nickel! Smiley: grin

SCH is a weird choice, unless they have a plan on weaving it into the story line. I'm interested in seeing how it is implemented. Will it be the buff/debuff specialist?
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#87 Jun 03 2013 at 5:32 PM Rating: Good
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SkinwalkerAsura wrote:
IKickYoDog wrote:
Killua125 wrote:
At least sometimes my posts come off as lighthearted (which they're supposed to).

New jobs are great, but for me it's a strange choice.


Agreed. Out of all the mage classes they could have chosen that would have made every man and woman here nerdgasm, they went with that.

Just hit post schfif-teen-teen!

Edited, Jun 3rd 2013 5:44pm by IKickYoDog


Congrats on post triple nickel! Smiley: grin

SCH is a weird choice, unless they have a plan on weaving it into the story line. I'm interested in seeing how it is implemented. Will it be the buff/debuff specialist?


I find myself agreeing with this line of thinking; Yoshi P seems to know what he is about. I think that sch is going to be an unexpected and pleasant surprise for those of us (myself included) whose first thoughts were "uggh, wtf...?!".
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#88 Jun 04 2013 at 6:29 AM Rating: Excellent
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Killua125 wrote:
At least sometimes my posts come off as lighthearted (which they're supposed to).

New jobs are great, but for me it's a strange choice.


No, you're absolutely right, it is a strange choice. It's going to seem even stranger if it turns out that scholar isn't the second healing class the game desperately needs.

Edited, Jun 4th 2013 8:29am by BartelX
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#89 Jun 04 2013 at 11:33 AM Rating: Good
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BartelX wrote:
Killua125 wrote:
At least sometimes my posts come off as lighthearted (which they're supposed to).

New jobs are great, but for me it's a strange choice.


No, you're absolutely right, it is a strange choice. It's going to seem even stranger if it turns out that scholar isn't the second healing class the game desperately needs.

Edited, Jun 4th 2013 8:29am by BartelX


I assumed they picked it to give magical characters another job, while I would have preferred blue mage, as I mentioned in another thread, we will have to wait till E3 I suppose to find out what they are thinking with Scholar.
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#90 Jun 04 2013 at 12:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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From the Letter from the Producer IV:

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Q: Will arcanists be able to use their grimoires to summon familiars other than Carbuncle? Can you tell us new information on the primal and relic weapons for arcanists and summoners?
A: As an arcanist, you’ll be focused on Carby. Now, some may assume that we won’t expand the arcanist summons in the future, but that’s not my intention. This is just something to start with. Arcanists can summon different types of Carbuncles. Basically for arcanists, play will revolve around using the different types of Carbuncles. When you unlock the summoner job, your summons will harness the power of the primals.


I think it's pretty safe to say Arcanist goes to Summoner, not musketeer to summoner. It's more than reasonable. That doesn't mean Scholar won't come from Arcanist. If it does it would be the first class in the game to branch off an existing class/job pairing. I'm inclined to think that there is another class they haven't announced yet and that will be where Scholar comes from.
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From the Letter from the Producer IV:

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Q: Will arcanists be able to use their grimoires to summon familiars other than Carbuncle? Can you tell us new information on the primal and relic weapons for arcanists and summoners?
A: As an arcanist, you’ll be focused on Carby. Now, some may assume that we won’t expand the arcanist summons in the future, but that’s not my intention. This is just something to start with. Arcanists can summon different types of Carbuncles. Basically for arcanists, play will revolve around using the different types of Carbuncles. When you unlock the summoner job, your summons will harness the power of the primals.


I think it's pretty safe to say Arcanist goes to Summoner, not musketeer to summoner. It's more than reasonable. That doesn't mean Scholar won't come from Arcanist. If it does it would be the first class in the game to branch off an existing class/job pairing. I'm inclined to think that there is another class they haven't announced yet and that will be where Scholar comes from.


So elemental Carbys? You get a pikachu?
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#92 Jun 05 2013 at 1:28 AM Rating: Excellent
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SkinwalkerAsura wrote:
reptiletim wrote:
From the Letter from the Producer IV:

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Q: Will arcanists be able to use their grimoires to summon familiars other than Carbuncle? Can you tell us new information on the primal and relic weapons for arcanists and summoners?
A: As an arcanist, you’ll be focused on Carby. Now, some may assume that we won’t expand the arcanist summons in the future, but that’s not my intention. This is just something to start with. Arcanists can summon different types of Carbuncles. Basically for arcanists, play will revolve around using the different types of Carbuncles. When you unlock the summoner job, your summons will harness the power of the primals.


I think it's pretty safe to say Arcanist goes to Summoner, not musketeer to summoner. It's more than reasonable. That doesn't mean Scholar won't come from Arcanist. If it does it would be the first class in the game to branch off an existing class/job pairing. I'm inclined to think that there is another class they haven't announced yet and that will be where Scholar comes from.


So elemental Carbys? You get a pikachu?



Xoie: Carbuncle, I choose you!
Carbuncle: Carby-carby-carby--UNCLE!
Electrocuted Mob: Owowowow!


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Nah.
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#93 Jun 05 2013 at 5:46 AM Rating: Good
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Xoie: Carbuncle, I choose you!
Carbuncle: Carby-carby-carby--UNCLE!
Electrocuted Mob: Owowowow!


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Nah.


O_O

That's really disturbing...
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#94 Jun 05 2013 at 6:54 AM Rating: Good
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reptiletim wrote:
Xoie wrote:
Xoie: Carbuncle, I choose you!
Carbuncle: Carby-carby-carby--UNCLE!
Electrocuted Mob: Owowowow!


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Nah.


O_O

That's really disturbing...


If by disturbing you mean hilarious, I agree! Smiley: laugh
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#95 Jun 05 2013 at 7:34 AM Rating: Excellent
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Xoie: Carbuncle, I choose you!
Carbuncle: Carby-carby-carby--UNCLE!
Electrocuted Mob: Owowowow!


How long in game before you see your first pokemon based tell? We should start a pool...
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#96 Jun 05 2013 at 8:14 AM Rating: Default
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I just wish people would make those macros in /echo.
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