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It's called materia, because of nostalgia, they could have called it **** for that meter, and it would still be a socket/gem system, that from what i can tell, you have no idea where it came from, since socket/gem system was in place in Ultima online... A game that predates FFVII... Hmmm! But i am sure Blizzard based it on VII Btw the materia system is based on the Esper system of VI.....

Did you ever crafted in EQ2 ? I am sure EQ2 predates XIV....

Dungeons are part of the story in every single MMORPG, or are you saying they are just instances that have no relation to the world in those games ? I am pretty sure in wow/rift/swotor/gw2 etc etc that there are quest that lead to dungeons, and quest that are entirely based in Dungeons. To say this game integrates it more than in any other game, is silly, and is a straw argument.

Your argument is "Is not unique on it's own, but by having us press K instead of L, it becomes Unique"

Good try tho, now tell me more about that UNIQUE STORYLINE

Ostia, if we want to follow your logic and keep reaching back to justify arguments that things are "copied," why don't we just end this argument right now.

WoW, GW2, ARR, Ultima Online, FFXI and every single other MMORPG, book, movie or any other source of story-driven entertainment is actually copied from the lore of ancient human civilization.

Nothing is original! None of us are snowflakes!



Edited, Jun 25th 2013 8:52am by Thayos

Yeah, it's pretty much exactly like the system in WoW. Essentially, you turn old gear into a crafting material which allows you to enchant the new gear you just got with bonus stats. It may not be exact in name or procedure, but the end result is identical.

Materia didn't work that way in VII though.

The concept is there though. So, to me, it is silly when people imply that SE based its material system on WoW, rather than its own Material system.

Just because something appears in WoW does not mean that WoW invented it.



Edited, Jun 25th 2013 10:23am by Thayos

UO was released September 1997 and FFVII was released January 1997, nice try though. Also, the materia system is not derived from the Esper system. The two systems are completely different. Espers, you could equip 1 at a time, they taught you spells permanently, and affected your stat gains at level-up when equipped. Materia, you could equip many of them, you could only use the skills from them when equipped, and the stat gains were a static amount based on the materia level, which you lost if you unequipped them. That's like saying apples are derived from oranges because they are both round and sweet.



You can go 1-50 in swtor, 1-60 in Rift, 1-80 in WoW, 1-80 in GW2 without touching dungeons, and the only negative impact it has on your character is that you don't get to read the 3-4 quests that are done within the dungeons. They aren't part of the main storyline, they are like sidequests at best that you do as an alternate means of experience. Within the first 20 levels of FFXIV, you go through 3 dungeons that are 100% required to advance the main storyline. It's not a straw argument, it's a genuine difference from every other mainstream mmo.

I understand that you don't like certain aspects of the game, there are several that I'd like to see improvements on also. But a lot of what you are arguing is either completely inaccurate (UO coming out before FFVII and materia coming from esper system) or just stretched to your own agenda. It's quite futile to even try and have a conversation with you sometimes...

Edited, Jun 25th 2013 1:53pm by BartelX

Edited, Jun 25th 2013 1:53pm by BartelX

You got that one. I left WoW before they introduced the Jewelcrafting profession. I read up on it a bit just now and it seems to be somewhat similar. From what I read, it seems the primary difference is that the must be used in order to be broken down in Materia. Other than that, you're pretty much right on the systems having pretty similar functions.

And I can't even counter with, "I said games I have personally played, seen or read about." because I played WoW. Doh. Color me corrected.



I almost forgot about the EQ2 crafting system - Which one are you talking about? Before or after the change to it? In either case, they are not the same. Similar in the fact that there are abilities to use. But the way in which you interact with your craft is totally different. EQ2 was more like you were in combat with the damn craft (you could die from damage in version 1). I loved it. However, the XIV system is more about the crafter utilizing skills to directly affect the craft vs. having the RNG determine what gains you get based on your actions (again, much like combat). In XIV you can use actions to increase chances of success, crafting stats and then combo them to other actions that boost progress/quality/durability based on what YOU did. Elemental affinity, state and other factors come in to play that are controlled by RNG, but the crafting in XIV really is unlike any other game.

The closest comparison of the crafting system is Vanguard. You do not like crafting, that's fine. But while ARR combat is getting"I love it" or "Dull" or "Similar to X".
The crafting in ARR is getting praise from anyone who cares about crafting in mmos.

You tell me, Filth. Why are some people making shared gaming mechanics into a big deal?

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Because any sort of similarity to WoW = WoW clone, and WoW is EVILBADWRONG, so a WoW clone is even more EVILBADWRONG. I thought that was obvious.
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Overreactions... Somebody said X or Y is unique to this game, i said nah, it's only this games version of Y or X system... People lost their minds

I am not going to enter the debate between Ostia and Bartel because you are both kind of right and kind of wrong.

Ostia is right about materia being built off the idea that espers laid out before. But in that same explanation was proof that VII did not copy materia from Ultima. FFVI predates Ultima Online.

All games borrow from others whether we like it or not. I'd much rather have ARR borrow from it's own franchise than other franchises. That by nature makes it not spontaneous original but original nonetheless since the same company came up with origin.

I wish Matsui would ask Ito to help design some mechanics to add to the game in some areas. The man is a genius.

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