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Oh, all those solo missions are also force level synced, by the way.

So you're solo, and you can't be past level 12 for the level 10 mission, past level 17 for the 15 mission, etc. If you are above that level, you're level capped during the instance in question. AND solo.

This means you cannot leech your way through the story, period. You can lazy leech to level 50 but if you want to actually play the game and get goodies, you have to do the work yourself, at least during those early levels.

As for why they haven't added the story past the level 20 stuff, it's because Spoilerof spoilers.

During alpha and beta, they had a lot of the cutscenes completely blacked out too, either because they weren't finished with the actual movie, or because they didn't want you to get spoiled watching it.

well asking for that in the first 20 levels in a game whos cap is 50 makes PERFECT sense.. now if the cap was 75 or 99 THEN youd have a valid point.. 20 at that point wouldnt even be halfway through.. i wouldnt expect the "good stuff" to start til 50.

not to mention how quick leveling is... phase 3 of teh beta i only been going 4 days now and Im hearing of ppl already being 35.. thats fifteen levels away from the cap without even having played a full week....

How does it make perfect sense? When FFXI released, the cap was 50, and the first group story quest was level 25. The first group story quest in FFXIV is 15. It is required to have a group to beat the 3 starter dungeons, and it is required to beat the 3 starter dungeons to advance the storyline. It is also required to have a group to beat the level 20 storyline quest. You are crying because you can't group with players for like the first 3 battles of the game. It's ridiculous. Those battles are meant as a tutorial for a new player, so they can learn things like hate, aggro, running out of AoE range, and using consumables. They aren't meant for a group. The game after level 15 is unbelievably group oriented. It sounds like that's what you want, so just be happy with it and stop complaining about it. Sheesh.

Yea me and my girlfriend were thinking about this last night and is a concern for us.
All the guild quest lines and adventures guild quest are solo.. We played ffxi because we could play together..

It is cool having some stuff to do ourselves but we would like stuff to play together and we enjoy playing with others. . She was monk or PLD and I was white mage and we could dou or trio pretty much anything and as bst it was stupid.

Is any of the free company stuff you do with other people? How much party stuff is there? One thing about FFXI is though questing was week you almost always did it with party.. One thing that bothered me is the cut scenes though, even though you were in party the cut scenes always were as if you did it solo. Always thought that was funny.

Yes, and they are challenging because of the forced solo. Don't worry, immediately upon finishing a few solo only hard fights, you are then forced to group for 3 dungeons in a row, then a few more solo, then forced to group to fight ifrit. That leads to you ABOUT level 20 (22 Cap on Ifrit fight) and that was all the storyline in the beta.

I don't know why this is such a worrisome thing for you. You soloed in FFXI to 15 and didn't get a single taste of interesting content until level 25-30. I think you are just trying to find negatives. The game is fun, the story is fun and all the little foreshadowing bits that have come up have me super excited.

SpoilerNamely, the 3 new Legatus's added with far more interesting personalities and motives than Nael Van Darnus, it really feels like an FF game, and even though it's pretty much ripping off FF6 with the emperor's lackeys when we inevitably fight them, it still has me excited.

Edited, Jun 24th 2013 10:05am by Louiscool

Don't worry you'll only be doing those solo quests once. You'll have plenty of time for groups. :P

Oh we don't mind the solo stuff.. She has more time to play then me.. Honestly the leveling through mission is far more fun than just killing like we did in FFXI.. Really am enjoying them. Missions are what we like and that was what FFXI was short on. They always seemed like a side thing in that game.

Hrmm everyone cant be happy some want to solo all the time some want to group for everything I believe SE did a great job trying to balance the game play to satisfy a little of both.

Lets look at it this way.. The solo parts of the main story are for learning your class and learning the proper way to do combat. Most of them are teaching you to focus down the target the npcs are hitting and if you dont than the NPC dies and than well you die.. or if you aggro more than you can take than you die. Learning the mechanics of moving from attacks to a greater degree ( than normal quests).

Also these story quests are based on your main city the npcs that help you are based on this. So if you could group than only people who started the same place could join than people would be mad about that. I believe its fine the way it is. I like testing my skill as a player and it really makes me feel like I (my char) is really in the story.

Lets see. Im 30 work 40 hours a week and I definitely dont have the 8-12 hours a day everyday i literally used to spend on FFXI. But I can definitely spend that much time on the two days a week I do have off. After all I dont have a drug/alchol addiction or kids to worry about. So other than the time work takes up the rest of my day is COMPLETELY open.


Also I know about 15 ppl irl that are getting the game 8 of which work at the same place I do with me. So yeah having ppl to play with wont be a problem for me and Id like to be able to do that.

As for other FF games being played solo, youre right, difference is those are SINGLE player games. I expect that. However this is an MMORPG, why play an ONLINE MULTIPLAYER game if you wanna play alone? Ive NEVER understood that concept. Sure give me the option to solo when I only have maybe 30 minutes to kill and trying to find party would take up too much time, but when I have the time (or the desire) to party up then that should be an option too.

Sure FFXI had some fun solo fights.. like that final NPC quest (though i guess that doesnt really count since you have your NPC with you?) or the LB5 maat fight and although I loved them that doesnt mean I want the vast majority of fights to be like that. Also sure as a thief Ive soloed PLENTY of non story related stuff. but the thing is I didnt start off at level 1 being able to do that. I had to work to get to that point and I had to depend on others to do so (imagine being a thf and getting CoP done pre nerf), ding things that so few have done that when you finally DO achieve it the sense of accomplishment is overwhelming and being able to shar ethat experience with others made the journey that much more fun.

There's also the fact that if there are too many progression-critical quests (quests required to progress your character) that require groups, it can start to feel like you've been brickwalled when you can't find a group.

This isn't going to be a problem right out of the gate when everyone is at roughly the same level of character progression, but will become a problem 3, 4, or 5 years down the line when the playerbase is well established and new players are just trickling in piecemeal.

This problem actually existed in FFXI as well. How easy was it to find a group of random people to help with ZM4 seven years later? Promys? You'd get it done eventually, but it's pretty tough trying to put that together if you don't already have a group of friends at roughly the same level as yourself. By spacing group content out in XIV and by opening it up in the duty finder, it gets a lot easier and it's a lot less punishing on newer players.

It took me approximately 1 second to get a group for Sasarasasarasathabliggityblu. But that's with two dozen people standing around putting parties together. In a few years this gets a lot harder.

Yea really .. One of the reasons very little new blood ever comes to FFXI and they made it even less new player friendly putting all those high level mobs in lower level places.

Edited, Jun 24th 2013 2:02pm by Nashred

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Fetichism
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Wading_Beasts
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/The_Emissary (everything up until the dragon fighting, including Warchief Vatgit in Ghelsba is soloable)
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/The_Four_Musketeers
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Blind_Moby

Those are from the first 4 ranks of Bastok missions alone... they all involve fighting, some even against NMs. All are soloable at-level and at most a couple levels above.



Never said you could, just like you're not going to solo the dungeons or any of the primals in FFXIV, which all require a group and are part of the story. Oh, and you'll NEVER be able to solo them since they are level capped (unless they unlock the caps at some point down the line like they did in CoP of FFXI). Have you actually done any of the group dungeons or instances in FFXIV yet?


Edited, Jun 24th 2013 2:39pm by BartelX

exactly so now if at least 50% of the story stuff is in a non soloable dungeon or takes place in a BCNM< which requires a party (i.e ifrit) then Ill be happy. I never said 100% of teh story stuff had to be party related.. heck there was soloable stuff in CoP if a remember correctly (though that was like 3 out of 100 lol)