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#27 Aug 05 2013 at 11:35 AM Rating: Good
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As more of a generalization, MMO players treating these games as endgame is where the game begins can be perceived as an issue. If a given game's dev embraces this philosophy, then the leveling experience can, in turn, wind up being quite shallow. Socially, there's also the trickle down factor where people blankly assume that what does or doesn't work at endgame levels will or will not work prior. There's also a sect that refuses to party with first-timers to content as it might mean actually having to explain something or slowing their precious speed runs down by a couple minutes. Essentially, it's the toxic elements of elitist mentalities that can and do worsen these communities if left unchecked or even encouraged by game mechanics.

From my perspective of XIV, the first time up and a little bit after shouldn't be too much of an issue on non-legacy servers while people are still feeling things out. You'll still have the sheepish can't-think-for-themselves parroting some guide/video they saw on the net somewhere and treat is gospel, but there's honestly not much you can do to screen that in the PUG environment. And if SE embraces the philosophy that there should be no singular path to equal progression, then hopefully people won't have to tolerate working with grating personalities only looking out for themselves within the forced group sphere. Unfortunately, I still worry about how people will take to leveling their second+ jobs due to the first run of quests being exhausted. Things may prove more lenient than the beta did, but that's pretty much wait and see status for me.
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#28 Aug 05 2013 at 1:55 PM Rating: Good
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From my perspective of XIV, the first time up and a little bit after shouldn't be too much of an issue on non-legacy servers while people are still feeling things out. You'll still have the sheepish can't-think-for-themselves parroting some guide/video they saw on the net somewhere and treat is gospel, but there's honestly not much you can do to screen that in the PUG environment. And if SE embraces the philosophy that there should be no singular path to equal progression, then hopefully people won't have to tolerate working with grating personalities only looking out for themselves within the forced group sphere. Unfortunately, I still worry about how people will take to leveling their second+ jobs due to the first run of quests being exhausted. Things may prove more lenient than the beta did, but that's pretty much wait and see status for me.


Exactly. Do your own thing. It builds character and gives a greater appreciation as to what it took to get to where you are. There will always be those people who want to bring you down because you aren't moving along with the status quo, but hey, who is to say that what they do is "normal" anyway. To me, individualism is in the majority, and those who follow the crowd to keep up with the Joneses, well, have fun bumping elbows in that line full of greedy stinky sardines. I'll just smile from outside the dogpile.
#29 Aug 05 2013 at 6:48 PM Rating: Good
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Zaleshea wrote:
That wasn't always true. The community was definitely NOT keen to being ONLY an endgame community until a few years after the game been out. And unfortunately, through my own eyes, this was not a good transition. All it did was destroy friendships, breakup linkshells and sprout a lot of drama, as well as flatout unhelpfulness and overall elistist attitudes. That being said, your post scares me, and has discouraged me from wanting to play FFXIV now, as I had got away from FFXI after 8yrs of playing because I was tired of all that. All my good memories of FFXI do not include anything from endgame(just all my bad memories..)

And I hated static groups, because I could never get in them because I was not in their little endgame clique.

Thanks for saving me whatever this game was going to cost. And good luck to all of you.


I'm just curious, what about his post turned you off from the game? I ask, because FFXIV is completely different from XI, which is the point everyone is making. You don't HAVE to wait for a static party. You can queue in the dungeon finder, and do any content at any time. You don't have to wait for anything. Yes, there will be an endgame, but it's not going to be like FFXI. It won't be "elitist" only mentality. Half the endgame won't revolve around waiting 24-72 hours for a mob to spawn and then praying your LS somehow gets claim over the 50-100 botters. There is an open beta coming. I'd encourage you to try that out before writing the game off, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised by the results.


Why would you even bother responding to his post. Kind of reminds me of when my wife says "do I look fat in these pants....", the poster is just seeking attention.

"Thanks for saving me whatever this game was going to cost. And good luck to all of you." Really? That's dramatic even for the internet LOL

We all had great experiences leveling and those profoundly impacted the people we played with endgame. I went endgame but never to the extent I wanted, but I don't whine about it on the internet.

The fact remains that every MMO has to be tailored to endgame content, you can only spend so much time leveling and questing. Endgame is basically like leveling, it is a continuation of the story through expansions, nothing more. You have to get a good group of friends in this type of game, it is an MMO after all.

Now the FFXI endgame was like that, its just the camping of NM's and that crap that ruined it. Most endgame LS's weren't even endgame per se, that were camping and doing events that were LS based. That pert is me being bitter because my schedule would never permit me to camp Faf and the likes, I just did Sky, Sea etc.
#30 Aug 06 2013 at 6:08 AM Rating: Excellent
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Techsupport wrote:
BartelX wrote:
Zaleshea wrote:
That wasn't always true. The community was definitely NOT keen to being ONLY an endgame community until a few years after the game been out. And unfortunately, through my own eyes, this was not a good transition. All it did was destroy friendships, breakup linkshells and sprout a lot of drama, as well as flatout unhelpfulness and overall elistist attitudes. That being said, your post scares me, and has discouraged me from wanting to play FFXIV now, as I had got away from FFXI after 8yrs of playing because I was tired of all that. All my good memories of FFXI do not include anything from endgame(just all my bad memories..)

And I hated static groups, because I could never get in them because I was not in their little endgame clique.

Thanks for saving me whatever this game was going to cost. And good luck to all of you.


I'm just curious, what about his post turned you off from the game? I ask, because FFXIV is completely different from XI, which is the point everyone is making. You don't HAVE to wait for a static party. You can queue in the dungeon finder, and do any content at any time. You don't have to wait for anything. Yes, there will be an endgame, but it's not going to be like FFXI. It won't be "elitist" only mentality. Half the endgame won't revolve around waiting 24-72 hours for a mob to spawn and then praying your LS somehow gets claim over the 50-100 botters. There is an open beta coming. I'd encourage you to try that out before writing the game off, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised by the results.


Why would you even bother responding to his post. Kind of reminds me of when my wife says "do I look fat in these pants....", the poster is just seeking attention.

"Thanks for saving me whatever this game was going to cost. And good luck to all of you." Really? That's dramatic even for the internet LOL


Mainly because it seemed like the poster was completely misunderstanding the jist of the posts, and I was hoping he/she would read it and realize that basing an opinion off of a post someone makes about the game isn't always the best course of action, especially when it wasn't even being accurately assessed.

Also, I'd very much like for ARR to succeed, and every person who tries it out is one more person who might sub and add to the community.
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#31 Aug 06 2013 at 12:31 PM Rating: Excellent
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BartelX wrote:
Techsupport wrote:
BartelX wrote:
Zaleshea wrote:
That wasn't always true. The community was definitely NOT keen to being ONLY an endgame community until a few years after the game been out. And unfortunately, through my own eyes, this was not a good transition. All it did was destroy friendships, breakup linkshells and sprout a lot of drama, as well as flatout unhelpfulness and overall elistist attitudes. That being said, your post scares me, and has discouraged me from wanting to play FFXIV now, as I had got away from FFXI after 8yrs of playing because I was tired of all that. All my good memories of FFXI do not include anything from endgame(just all my bad memories..)

And I hated static groups, because I could never get in them because I was not in their little endgame clique.

Thanks for saving me whatever this game was going to cost. And good luck to all of you.


I'm just curious, what about his post turned you off from the game? I ask, because FFXIV is completely different from XI, which is the point everyone is making. You don't HAVE to wait for a static party. You can queue in the dungeon finder, and do any content at any time. You don't have to wait for anything. Yes, there will be an endgame, but it's not going to be like FFXI. It won't be "elitist" only mentality. Half the endgame won't revolve around waiting 24-72 hours for a mob to spawn and then praying your LS somehow gets claim over the 50-100 botters. There is an open beta coming. I'd encourage you to try that out before writing the game off, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised by the results.


Why would you even bother responding to his post. Kind of reminds me of when my wife says "do I look fat in these pants....", the poster is just seeking attention.

"Thanks for saving me whatever this game was going to cost. And good luck to all of you." Really? That's dramatic even for the internet LOL


Mainly because it seemed like the poster was completely misunderstanding the jist of the posts, and I was hoping he/she would read it and realize that basing an opinion off of a post someone makes about the game isn't always the best course of action, especially when it wasn't even being accurately assessed.

Also, I'd very much like for ARR to succeed, and every person who tries it out is one more person who might sub and add to the community.


Very valid point.
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