Just a quick note on CP.
Whilst you are correct that it only seems to be jewellery items that come with a CP boost, you can of course add CP+ materia to any item. With CP+ "V" materia, and at least two slots on each item of clothing at level 50, you can massively add to available CP (subject of course of item limits - and we have no idea how that works for level 50 gear yet).
I did a lot of high level (40+) crafting during the last beta test and based on how I was crafting, it seemed sensible to load up on CP materia.
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Ravashack wrote:
BartelX wrote:
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carmelita wrote:
- On Condition, the effect (in P3) was: Poor - 50% of Quality increase (1/2 of base). Normal - 100% of Quality increase (base). Good - 150% of Quality increase (1 1/2 times base) (this may be 200%, been a few weeks!). Excellent - 400% of Quality increase (4 times base). Once you get access to more powerful Touches (level 18 iirc), you really drop everything once an Excellent pops up & hit your highest Touch, short of failing the synth. Also, Poor always follows Excellent, and Normal always follows Good. Also, Normal always follows Poor.
I'm not sure about always, I seem to recall several times having good > good back to back. It's possible my memory is just failing me though. Also, did you notice the random crits that happened? There were a couple times when I had a normal or good condition, and would gain like 400 quality on a Basic Touch.
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I can confirm it is always. There are definitely no random crits at all when using the Touch abilities. You may have forgotten an active buff, as having Great Strides up when you use a Touch ability on a Good or Excellent is ridiculously huge.
Thanks for the confirmation. I never made it past 20 in crafts (took all of them to 15ish) so I must have just missed that the condition was excellent. Nothing was worse though than having an excellent condition and failing Basic Touch. That just hurt.
HallieXIV wrote:
Just a quick note on CP.
Whilst you are correct that it only seems to be jewellery items that come with a CP boost, you can of course add CP+ materia to any item. With CP+ "V" materia, and at least two slots on each item of clothing at level 50, you can massively add to available CP (subject of course of item limits - and we have no idea how that works for level 50 gear yet).
I did a lot of high level (40+) crafting during the last beta test and based on how I was crafting, it seemed sensible to load up on CP materia.
Whilst you are correct that it only seems to be jewellery items that come with a CP boost, you can of course add CP+ materia to any item. With CP+ "V" materia, and at least two slots on each item of clothing at level 50, you can massively add to available CP (subject of course of item limits - and we have no idea how that works for level 50 gear yet).
I did a lot of high level (40+) crafting during the last beta test and based on how I was crafting, it seemed sensible to load up on CP materia.
Excellent information, I will add it to my OP. Thank you!
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HallieXIV wrote:
Just a quick note on CP.
Whilst you are correct that it only seems to be jewellery items that come with a CP boost, you can of course add CP+ materia to any item. With CP+ "V" materia, and at least two slots on each item of clothing at level 50, you can massively add to available CP (subject of course of item limits - and we have no idea how that works for level 50 gear yet).
I did a lot of high level (40+) crafting during the last beta test and based on how I was crafting, it seemed sensible to load up on CP materia.
Whilst you are correct that it only seems to be jewellery items that come with a CP boost, you can of course add CP+ materia to any item. With CP+ "V" materia, and at least two slots on each item of clothing at level 50, you can massively add to available CP (subject of course of item limits - and we have no idea how that works for level 50 gear yet).
I did a lot of high level (40+) crafting during the last beta test and based on how I was crafting, it seemed sensible to load up on CP materia.
I capped out @ 21, so I'll take your word on this. Just one thing that may not be relevant. On the battle classes, it seemed that each piece of gear had an effective "hard cap" for each stat. For example, my level 15 chest has 2 materia slots, with +3 INT/VIT/MND, and +2 Crit Rating on the base item. I drop a +Crit materia into the first slot, I get +2 Crit Rating. I drop a + Crit materia into the second slot. It is a +2 Crit Rating materia, but I only get +1 to Crit Rating from that materia. So this piece, at this level, has a "hidden" +5 Crit Rating cap. Brief anecdotal evidence that I saw post-P3 showed that groups of stats had the same caps, these groups may be different, and it seemed to be a piece-by-piece thing. So this chest may have a +6 cap to each base stat, +5 to each battle stat & +3 to Determination (it seemed to be a special case, being relevant for all classes).
Why bring up level 15 battle class gear? It may be that crafting & gathering gear has the same restriction - plugging ONLY craftsmanship, control OR CP materia could result in reduced effectiveness. However, if you loaded up gear with a single stat without restriction, it may be a moot point. Plus crafter/gatherer gear only has 3 different relevant stats - battle classes have at least 6. Caps (if they exist) would naturally be higher.
Aaaaaand ... re-reading your post, this is probably the "item limits" you refer too ... do'h!
You better watch out Bartel, good posts like this one will get you to Sage status and you will no longer be able to enjoy the goodness that is the blue lettering above your avatar*...
* Please denote that the above post is sarcasm. It is in no way intended as a means to offend the recipient. Do I really have to attach this disclaimer?
Edited, Aug 13th 2013 10:27am by Valkayree
* Please denote that the above post is sarcasm. It is in no way intended as a means to offend the recipient. Do I really have to attach this disclaimer?
Edited, Aug 13th 2013 10:27am by Valkayree
I think I have way too many posts to ever hit sage status... but yeah, I definitely prefer the blue over the green. 
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Ulman wrote:
Tree hugging?
Caber Tossing.
BartelX wrote:
I think I have way too many posts to ever hit sage status... but yeah, I definitely prefer the blue over the green.
Were you a troll in a past life or something?*
* Please note that the above post is sarcasm. It is in no way intended as a means to offend the recipient. Do I really have to attach this disclaimer?
Edited, Aug 13th 2013 10:27am by Valkayree
Valkayree wrote:
BartelX wrote:
I think I have way too many posts to ever hit sage status... but yeah, I definitely prefer the blue over the green.
Were you a troll in a past life or something?
No, I just argued with everyone and pissed a lot of people off. I still love to argue, but I try and be more civil about it now.
Bartel Hayward--- Ultros Server
The Kraken Club <ZAM>
50 WAR • 50 MNK • 50 MIN • 50 GSM • 50 ARM • 50 LTW • 50 CUL • 50 WVR
thekrakenclub.shivtr.com
The Kraken Club <ZAM>
50 WAR • 50 MNK • 50 MIN • 50 GSM • 50 ARM • 50 LTW • 50 CUL • 50 WVR
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BartelX wrote:
Valkayree wrote:
BartelX wrote:
I think I have way too many posts to ever hit sage status... but yeah, I definitely prefer the blue over the green.
Were you a troll in a past life or something?
No, I just argued with everyone and pissed a lot of people off. I still love to argue, but I try and be more civil about it now.
Like the British Parliament, or better than that, like Gangs of New York, where everyone was wearing top hats and brandishing axes.
BartelX wrote:
Valkayree wrote:
BartelX wrote:
I think I have way too many posts to ever hit sage status... but yeah, I definitely prefer the blue over the green.
Were you a troll in a past life or something?
No, I just argued with everyone and pissed a lot of people off. I still love to argue, but I try and be more civil about it now.
I'm just the opposite. I get too heated when I debate, so I normally avoid it unless its something I'm passionate about. Election years...*shutter*
Valkayree wrote:
BartelX wrote:
Valkayree wrote:
BartelX wrote:
I think I have way too many posts to ever hit sage status... but yeah, I definitely prefer the blue over the green.
Were you a troll in a past life or something?
No, I just argued with everyone and pissed a lot of people off. I still love to argue, but I try and be more civil about it now.
Like the British Parliament, or better than that, like Gangs of New York, where everyone was wearing top hats and brandishing axes.
Bartel Hayward--- Ultros Server
The Kraken Club <ZAM>
50 WAR • 50 MNK • 50 MIN • 50 GSM • 50 ARM • 50 LTW • 50 CUL • 50 WVR
thekrakenclub.shivtr.com
The Kraken Club <ZAM>
50 WAR • 50 MNK • 50 MIN • 50 GSM • 50 ARM • 50 LTW • 50 CUL • 50 WVR
thekrakenclub.shivtr.com
Good guide.... thank you for making the effort to create this.
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Sorry I didn't get the wiki home page done, hopefully tonight!
carmelita wrote:
HallieXIV wrote:
Just a quick note on CP.
Whilst you are correct that it only seems to be jewellery items that come with a CP boost, you can of course add CP+ materia to any item. With CP+ "V" materia, and at least two slots on each item of clothing at level 50, you can massively add to available CP (subject of course of item limits - and we have no idea how that works for level 50 gear yet).
I did a lot of high level (40+) crafting during the last beta test and based on how I was crafting, it seemed sensible to load up on CP materia.
Whilst you are correct that it only seems to be jewellery items that come with a CP boost, you can of course add CP+ materia to any item. With CP+ "V" materia, and at least two slots on each item of clothing at level 50, you can massively add to available CP (subject of course of item limits - and we have no idea how that works for level 50 gear yet).
I did a lot of high level (40+) crafting during the last beta test and based on how I was crafting, it seemed sensible to load up on CP materia.
I capped out @ 21, so I'll take your word on this. Just one thing that may not be relevant. On the battle classes, it seemed that each piece of gear had an effective "hard cap" for each stat. For example, my level 15 chest has 2 materia slots, with +3 INT/VIT/MND, and +2 Crit Rating on the base item. I drop a +Crit materia into the first slot, I get +2 Crit Rating. I drop a + Crit materia into the second slot. It is a +2 Crit Rating materia, but I only get +1 to Crit Rating from that materia. So this piece, at this level, has a "hidden" +5 Crit Rating cap. Brief anecdotal evidence that I saw post-P3 showed that groups of stats had the same caps, these groups may be different, and it seemed to be a piece-by-piece thing. So this chest may have a +6 cap to each base stat, +5 to each battle stat & +3 to Determination (it seemed to be a special case, being relevant for all classes).
Why bring up level 15 battle class gear? It may be that crafting & gathering gear has the same restriction - plugging ONLY craftsmanship, control OR CP materia could result in reduced effectiveness. However, if you loaded up gear with a single stat without restriction, it may be a moot point. Plus crafter/gatherer gear only has 3 different relevant stats - battle classes have at least 6. Caps (if they exist) would naturally be higher.
Aaaaaand ... re-reading your post, this is probably the "item limits" you refer too ... do'h!
Yeah, you are right but I could have been clearer. It was difficult to get a good handle on the effects of various types of materia given all my materia from 1.0 turned to broken materia and the materia exchange NPC was not implemented in phase 3 so my observations were based on my experience crafting and the fact that it always seemed more CP would be better regardless of any improvement to control or crafting. Of course, I could be completely wrong and stat stacking Control at 50 might be the way to go.
Also, there was an exploit at level 50 crafting that basically meant you could keep crafting forever, guaranteeing HQ every time but they are fixing that in time for Phase 4.
I set the wiki page up for you BartelX, the only page you can't edit is the home page but I can add things to it later.
This is a direct link to your wiki page:
http://ffxiv.zam.com/wiki/A_Beginner's_Guide_to_Crafting_%28FFXIV%29#Wiki
You can edit that as you see fit including uploading images and making it prettier than the forum post allows. Anyone can update the wiki and add things, see the Help for New Editors page for details, or ask me or Bludwyng (another Zam Admin, our Wikibase expert). The most important thing to remember when making new wiki links is using the gameid, so for anything you would make a page for could be referenced like this:
Guides (FFXIV) The (FFXIV) will be hidden from the text shown, like here.
You all have the power to make this wiki awesome, we just need public participation to make it happen.
This is a direct link to your wiki page:
http://ffxiv.zam.com/wiki/A_Beginner's_Guide_to_Crafting_%28FFXIV%29#Wiki
You can edit that as you see fit including uploading images and making it prettier than the forum post allows. Anyone can update the wiki and add things, see the Help for New Editors page for details, or ask me or Bludwyng (another Zam Admin, our Wikibase expert). The most important thing to remember when making new wiki links is using the gameid, so for anything you would make a page for could be referenced like this:
Guides (FFXIV) The (FFXIV) will be hidden from the text shown, like here.
You all have the power to make this wiki awesome, we just need public participation to make it happen.
Cool, thanks Wint. If I have some time today I'll work on it.
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