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#1 Aug 23 2013 at 3:06 PM Rating: Decent
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YoshiP @Gamescom interview wrote:
Personally, I believe less than 100 people will clear Bahamut's Coil before 2.1


What do you think? Is Yoshi-P over-exaggerating, or challenging us?

Awesome 40 minute Gamescon Interview

He mentions this around 8:30
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Challenge accepted

inb4 yoshi releases 2.1 when we reach 99 people clearing it
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YoshiP @Gamescom interview wrote:
Personally, I believe less than 100 people will clear Bahamut's Coil before 2.1


What do you think? Is Yoshi-P over-exaggerating, or challenging us?

Awesome 40 minute Gamescon Interview

He mentions this around 8:30


I think he sorely underestimates western mmo players.
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Transmigration the Charming wrote:
Louiscool wrote:
YoshiP @Gamescom interview wrote:
Personally, I believe less than 100 people will clear Bahamut's Coil before 2.1


What do you think? Is Yoshi-P over-exaggerating, or challenging us?

Awesome 40 minute Gamescon Interview

He mentions this around 8:30


I think he sorely underestimates western mmo players.


Aren't there also way more than 100 legacy players that are basically starting the game at max level? Even if you ignore those of us starting from scratch, does he really believe that fewer than 100 legacy players will clear the first raid before the first major patch?

He'll be in for a surprise.
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either that or that raid is another Absolute Virtue
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Isn't Bahamut's Labyrinth so long and difficult that it allows you to save your progress? It may take weeks just to get to the last boss.


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At least this will hopefully put to bed the whole "game is easymode" argument people like to swing around. Even if it ends up being 1,000 players, or 5,000, it seems like pretty solid evidence that the endgame content won't be faceroll easy.
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Well, here is my theory on this.

In the same interview, he says that Bahamut's Coil is harder than The Crystal Tower. Well... CT is coming in patch 2.1 "sometime in 2013."

If it's considered easier, it probably has lower iLVL gear. This gear is probably a gap in content, like Ilvl 80, while the gear in Bahamut's Coil is iLVL 90 (The alaggan items in the latest DAT mine).

So I imagine, that the people who clear it will have to do so with iLVL 70 gear, making it much much harder until patch 2.1.

Just my theory.

Bahamut is also 8-man content versus the CT's 24-man. I would also imagine that BC might not be on the duty finder at first because of it's difficulty.

Edited, Aug 23rd 2013 5:16pm by Louiscool
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Wait what?

I thought the Crystal Tower was supposed to be the second tier raid. Wasn't the first tier Bahamut's Something?
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I think Yoshi has been hitting the bottle but we'll see.
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Louiscool wrote:
Well, here is my theory on this.

In the same interview, he says that Bahamut's Coil is harder than The Crystal Tower. Well... CT is coming in patch 2.1 "sometime in 2013."

If it's considered easier, it probably has lower iLVL gear. This gear is probably a gap in content, like Ilvl 80, while the gear in Bahamut's Coil is iLVL 90 (The alaggan items in the latest DAT mine).

So I imagine, that the people who clear it will have to do so with iLVL 70 gear, making it much much harder until patch 2.1.

Just my theory.


Ugh, so they're doing what they did in XI with the Adoulin Delve vs Skirmish vs Bayld gear cluster@#%^?

SE: Release the hardest content first! Watch them struggle hahaha.

SE two weeks later: Oh wait, there was an unexpected exploit and now our player base is divided into haves and have nots! NERF IT... but don't roll anyone back. Everyone else complaining, you're doing it in the wrong order. Go back to Neo Nyzul Isle before you try this Extremely Hardmode Content (that is now easy mode for the Haves.)

Merf. We're still recovering from that.

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I'm a bit confused because I thought it was called The Labrynth of Bahamut.

Maybe it's Lab > CT > Coil?
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At least this will hopefully put to bed the whole "game is easymode" argument people like to swing around.


Unfortunately, before long you'll get people claiming that it's so easy that they were able to do it while drunk out of their minds, had a sandwich in one hand and some sort of flashy *** toy in the other, while their stereo was blasting dubstep loudly enough to be heard in the next area code, and anyone who finds it the least bit difficult is a baddie who should uninstall their game.
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Transmigration the Charming wrote:
Louiscool wrote:
YoshiP @Gamescom interview wrote:
Personally, I believe less than 100 people will clear Bahamut's Coil before 2.1


What do you think? Is Yoshi-P over-exaggerating, or challenging us?

Awesome 40 minute Gamescon Interview

He mentions this around 8:30


I think he sorely underestimates western mmo players.


If by underestimating you mean underestimating how obsessive and crazy the ultra-hardcore raid crowd can be, then yeah. *looks at 18 hour Pandemonium Warden boss fight in FFXI* Of course, SE should have NEVER allowed such a thing into the game, but still...
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who doesn't remember the first Kirin ? from sky ....4-5 hours fight..well i did an 8 hour fight on it.
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Arcari wrote:
Transmigration the Charming wrote:
Louiscool wrote:
YoshiP @Gamescom interview wrote:
Personally, I believe less than 100 people will clear Bahamut's Coil before 2.1


What do you think? Is Yoshi-P over-exaggerating, or challenging us?

Awesome 40 minute Gamescon Interview

He mentions this around 8:30


I think he sorely underestimates western mmo players.


If by underestimating you mean underestimating how obsessive and crazy the ultra-hardcore raid crowd can be, then yeah. *looks at 18 hour Pandemonium Warden boss fight in FFXI* Of course, SE should have NEVER allowed such a thing into the game, but still...


I think he's just a marketing genius. He is challenging those people to play obsessively, post videos of world firsts to youtube, create more hype, create an elite class of player that casual players aspire to and chase like a carrot.

Even if he's wrong, people like me will be trying to be one of the 100 or 1,000 or 10,000.
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Louiscool wrote:
Arcari wrote:
Transmigration the Charming wrote:
Louiscool wrote:
YoshiP @Gamescom interview wrote:
Personally, I believe less than 100 people will clear Bahamut's Coil before 2.1


What do you think? Is Yoshi-P over-exaggerating, or challenging us?

Awesome 40 minute Gamescon Interview

He mentions this around 8:30


I think he sorely underestimates western mmo players.


If by underestimating you mean underestimating how obsessive and crazy the ultra-hardcore raid crowd can be, then yeah. *looks at 18 hour Pandemonium Warden boss fight in FFXI* Of course, SE should have NEVER allowed such a thing into the game, but still...


I think he's just a marketing genius. He is challenging those people to play obsessively, post videos of world firsts to youtube, create more hype, create an elite class of player that casual players aspire to and chase like a carrot.

Even if he's wrong, people like me will be trying to be one of the 100 or 1,000 or 10,000.


i just wanna get that bard AF gear, love it(probably one of the few that do)
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It's a challenge, and basicly a retort to those complaining about the game's current difficulty. "You think it's too easy, here, try to get a 100 past this content before we patch the game."

Remember players have to advance far enough into the story as well to access this place and in addition to that, have the appropriate gear to challenge.

Then there's the amount of it. There's 5 levels of the Coil, and we have no idea how large the coils themselves are. (Until the maps are mined, at least.)

So this is a legit challenge from Yoshi-p, and a good measuring stick to see how accurate his assessments of the hardcore base is. Is his underestimating the absolute hardest of the hardcore? Likely so, but pressuring players to play the hard content in the game will push the hardcore players to eye this particular segment of the game over others that are not designed for their mindset.

It's a smart PR move if absolutely nothing else.
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I never seen a challenge really work in MMOs. I won't doubt it will not be a ton of players though.

Edited, Aug 23rd 2013 5:26pm by Mopdaddy
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Mopdaddy wrote:
I never seen a challenge really work in MMOs. I won't doubt it will not be a ton of players though.

Edited, Aug 23rd 2013 5:26pm by Mopdaddy


Absolute virtue/pandemonium warden

then again, those two are a bit above mere "challenges" and are more like "WHAT SORTA BS IS THIS?!"

Edited, Aug 23rd 2013 5:28pm by MitArgento
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It's more like 100 people will have cleared it before the game officially launches. Smiley: lol
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MitArgento wrote:
Mopdaddy wrote:
I never seen a challenge really work in MMOs. I won't doubt it will not be a ton of players though.

Edited, Aug 23rd 2013 5:26pm by Mopdaddy


Absolute virtue/pandemonium warden

then again, those two are a bit above mere "challenges" and are more like "WHAT SORTA BS IS THIS?!"

Edited, Aug 23rd 2013 5:28pm by MitArgento


Did we ever figure out that hint video for AV?
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Louiscool wrote:
I'm a bit confused because I thought it was called The Labrynth of Bahamut.

Maybe it's Lab > CT > Coil?


Maybe that's what has me confused here. Bahamut's Labyrinth is the one we've heard about that's the first tier raid... then Crystal Tower... then this other thing that before now I'd never heard of.

So he's saying that people won't be able to clear a tier 3 raid before tier 2 is available for play? Uh... ok? I'm not sure what that proves other than sequence-breaking the raid structure doesn't work?

I'm more concerned about what Catwho mentioned.
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He's so kawaii~desuuuu!!!! LOL!!

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I never seen a challenge really work in MMOs. I won't doubt it will not be a ton of players though.

Edited, Aug 23rd 2013 5:26pm by Mopdaddy


Absolute virtue/pandemonium warden

then again, those two are a bit above mere "challenges" and are more like "WHAT SORTA BS IS THIS?!"

Edited, Aug 23rd 2013 5:28pm by MitArgento


Did we ever figure out that hint video for AV?


I think he's beatable now. It's something like, while you're fighting AV, another party has to be killing the other jailers corresponding to the jobs you want to lock out? or beating him with a Whm locks out his Bene?

I forget but basically they figured out how to keep him from doing specific 2 hours.
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Redding wrote:
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I never seen a challenge really work in MMOs. I won't doubt it will not be a ton of players though.

Edited, Aug 23rd 2013 5:26pm by Mopdaddy


Absolute virtue/pandemonium warden

then again, those two are a bit above mere "challenges" and are more like "WHAT SORTA BS IS THIS?!"

Edited, Aug 23rd 2013 5:28pm by MitArgento


Did we ever figure out that hint video for AV?

Hazy since it's been a while, but I think the following was ultimately discovered or simply disclosed to us:
- Negate JoL's regen prior to the AV pop.
- Nuke AV with elements current to the day to further reduce his regen.
- When it uses a 2 hour, someone must use that same 2 hour within 3 seconds to negate further use of it.

Even with this known under the 75 cap, he was still a ***** when he switched modes and started getting meteor happy. At which point, the combined 2 hour timer between him and JoL made drawn out fights an enemy. As such, zergs simply shifted from KC DRKs to whatever strong DDs could fit in the BRD rotation while support did their thing out of party.

Honestly, party swapping/BRD rotations were one of the worst things to come of XI's combat system and I hope such isn't encouraged here by simply making those desired buffs alliance-wide if they're that crucial.





As for the main topic, unless it is AV dumb, Yoshi's basically underestimating the no-lifers. As well, you can guarantee there will be ******** about how easy things are should that 100 number be exceeded, and exponentially more so the more zeroes you add to the tally. Personally, I'm not a fan of what amounts to boasting over exclusionary content and those who believe it'll foster aspirations from lesser players are being dreadfully optimistic without requirements being known. Should the endgame be an environment where only sub-10% of the population thrives, the game will be in trouble.

Edited, Aug 23rd 2013 6:10pm by Seriha
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In Version 1.0 they had a contest about who can beat Garuda the fastest and they were showing off how long it took players to take down Ifrit and Good King Moggle Mog primals.

A team of BLMs burned her down in just a few hours due to being a trick where her 2 hour ability can be skipped and the contest ended way earlier than expected.
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Catwho wrote:
Louiscool wrote:
Well, here is my theory on this.

In the same interview, he says that Bahamut's Coil is harder than The Crystal Tower. Well... CT is coming in patch 2.1 "sometime in 2013."

If it's considered easier, it probably has lower iLVL gear. This gear is probably a gap in content, like Ilvl 80, while the gear in Bahamut's Coil is iLVL 90 (The alaggan items in the latest DAT mine).

So I imagine, that the people who clear it will have to do so with iLVL 70 gear, making it much much harder until patch 2.1.

Just my theory.


Ugh, so they're doing what they did in XI with the Adoulin Delve vs Skirmish vs Bayld gear cluster@#%^?

SE: Release the hardest content first! Watch them struggle hahaha.

SE two weeks later: Oh wait, there was an unexpected exploit and now our player base is divided into haves and have nots! NERF IT... but don't roll anyone back. Everyone else complaining, you're doing it in the wrong order. Go back to Neo Nyzul Isle before you try this Extremely Hardmode Content (that is now easy mode for the Haves.)

Merf. We're still recovering from that.


i think you're being a bit premature in your FFXI comparison. If its literally impossible to clear the Coil without gear from the Tower, then there shouldnt be a problem.

we're just going to have to wait and see. If yoshi's intent was to get people like me EVEN MORE HYPED UP THEN I ALREADY AM, well he certainly succeeded.




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He is going to be badly mistaken. Either that or the final boss is literally unkillable with current gear or something.
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Louiscool wrote:
I think he's just a marketing genius. He is challenging those people to play obsessively, post videos of world firsts to youtube, create more hype, create an elite class of player that casual players aspire to and chase like a carrot.

Even if he's wrong, people like me will be trying to be one of the 100 or 1,000 or 10,000.

I just hope he doesn't embarrass himself. I like that guy and it would be a shame for people to breeze through it like /yawn and tell him they're afk til 2.1 Smiley: laugh
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Wait, why would they be releasing tier 3 content before tier 2 is released.... my mind is so... confused.
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He is going to be badly mistaken. Either that or the final boss is literally unkillable with current gear or something.


Bahamut wakes up from his nap pops Mega Flare then goes back to sleep.
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Louiscool wrote:

I think he's just a marketing genius. He is challenging those people to play obsessively, post videos of world firsts to youtube, create more hype, create an elite class of player that casual players aspire to and chase like a carrot.

Even if he's wrong, people like me will be trying to be one of the 100 or 1,000 or 10,000.


Yep! He just called out all the hard-core players and they are going take the challenge to heart. ****, even I want to finish that content now.
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Louiscool wrote:

I think he's just a marketing genius. He is challenging those people to play obsessively, post videos of world firsts to youtube, create more hype, create an elite class of player that casual players aspire to and chase like a carrot.

Even if he's wrong, people like me will be trying to be one of the 100 or 1,000 or 10,000.


Yep! He just called out all the hard-core players and they are going take the challenge to heart. ****, even I want to finish that content now.


i'm kinda torn, on one hand i'd love to accept the challenge, but on the other, i really wanna take my time with crafting and gathering as well

ugh decisions decisions
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So far every time they've issued something like this it's blown up in their faces.

Every primal they put out they tried estimating the time it would take for anybody to beat it in weeks, and it went from days to hours as the primals were released.

I have a feeling it won't be hours, but it'll be plenty of people and quick enough.
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I really really hope it is difficult. I want something challenging.
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I really really hope it is difficult. I want something challenging.


Do it with gear from over a tier behind, that'll be pretty challenging
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Louiscool wrote:
YoshiP @Gamescom interview wrote:
Personally, I believe less than 100 people will clear Bahamut's Coil before 2.1


What do you think? Is Yoshi-P over-exaggerating, or challenging us?

Awesome 40 minute Gamescon Interview

He mentions this around 8:30


Probably a challenge, or troll when you start doing it and find out you have to wait till next update to actually complete it and those 100 were just internal staff.
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After watching naked Ifrit fights, I kinda laugh that he thinks people will play by the rules.

Bahamut will be conquered. Not by skill (per-say), not by dedication (the way that he is thinking), but by a stupid glitch. People will beat on it up until they find a gap, a hole in the logic. They will then attempt to rip that whole thing open until they leave bahamut crying on the ground begging "Please, just finish me...". It will be a slaughter in a way that Yoshi could not even predict.

So is the way of MMOs. No planner can cover all possible exploits, and lets face it. The Final Fantasy community has proven (and MMO, and Gaming for that matter) that if an exploit exists, it will always be used to the greatest advantage as fast as it can.
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