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#1 Sep 09 2013 at 3:18 AM Rating: Decent
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Guys,

I just got 50 and I have full af so my gear is pretty much decent. However, some people are annoying. After 1st wipe they leave or when they check your gear. I just got 50 how do you want me to have good gear and I cannot even find members to finish the dungeon ? I understand that having good gear is indeed helpful, but its hard for a dps to find a queue because it takes at least 35-60 min. This really gets on my nerves.
#2 Sep 09 2013 at 3:29 AM Rating: Good
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Amdapor keep is a dps check dungeon, if you dont do enough the group will fail.

People may look at your gear, realise your new to 50 and quit because they think you wont manage the dps check. I can safely say that "some" fresh 50's can do enough damage but alot do nowere near enough.

If your having trouble with this, try getting your jobs ifrit weapon.
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#3 Sep 09 2013 at 3:49 AM Rating: Decent
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so whats the best dungeon to farm tomestones ? since it would be hard to do AK. ill just farm for Darklight gear but what dungeon do you suggest to do ? (for tomestones)
#4 Sep 09 2013 at 3:57 AM Rating: Good
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You could do the last couple story dungeons, castrum and prae. Also if your in a free company maybe some people in there may run you through the keep.
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#5 Sep 09 2013 at 4:23 AM Rating: Good
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Wanderer Palace drop iLvl 55, Amdapor Keep drop iLvl 60. Naturally people would prefer you to farm iLvl 55 before iLvl 60.
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While you can do AK with full AF and a level 50 GC weapon, I would recommend you at last get Ifrit's weapon before doing that (if not more).

As mentioned, Praetorium and Castrum (the last two story dungeons) will award you 100 tomes each upon completion. Farm these as they are not as gear dependent. Also, Wanderer's Palace is much easier, gear-wise, than AK.

Usually I'll do the first boss of AK with every group. I'll check the parses after the first boss. If the 2nd DPS isn't within 8% of me, I'll drop. There isn't any way we'll get past the Demon Wall like that.
#7 Sep 09 2013 at 6:14 AM Rating: Good
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afa03147 wrote:
Guys,

I just got 50 and I have full af so my gear is pretty much decent. However, some people are annoying. After 1st wipe they leave or when they check your gear. I just got 50 how do you want me to have good gear and I cannot even find members to finish the dungeon ? I understand that having good gear is indeed helpful, but its hard for a dps to find a queue because it takes at least 35-60 min. This really gets on my nerves.


Full af is not decent.

No offense, but it's not enough for that dungeon. Do Wanderer's or the last 2 story dungeons until you can buy some darklight and get a Grand Company Weapon.
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Its also worth mentioning that if you have a War in your group as tank, you may be able to get away with 1 low geared dps. Quite often ill run this and be 2nd highest dps on Demon wall as Warrior, by not using Defiance and making use of my offensive cooldowns.

Edited, Sep 9th 2013 8:19am by Warby
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#9 Sep 09 2013 at 6:25 AM Rating: Excellent
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As a PLD tank I got the HQ Aeolian Scimitar and run it fine all the time, but yes you need to get the Ifrit weapon or at least GC weapon, armor isn't too important. You never mentioned your weapon, that's the most important thing.

I usually judge DPS by whether on the first boss you can kill the Priest before the first golem spawn, if so you can probably bring down the wall to < 50% in two repels, and as long as you're properly positioned fighting the bees and there is a LB ready to go you should be fine. Unfortunately if you are the melee DPS in the party, you will need some good armor to tank the add in the last boss, so sometimes I do see melee DPS having trouble here in AF gear.
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Ok I just reached level 50 and completed the first lvl50 story fight last night.. I got the 100 tomes. Where do i turn these in at to get the better gear? I just reached endgame so im kinda clueless.. Any info or advice would be apreciated :)
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You turn them in at a group of npcs at revenents toll in mordhona. Also you need a minimum of around 400-ish i think for a piece of gear.
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#12 Sep 09 2013 at 6:57 AM Rating: Good
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Next to Rowena, 375 avg a piece or so... start grinding Wanderers/Castrum - beat Ifrit and grind your Ifrit weapon or GC weapon, then try AK - be very polite and say it's your first time, hopefully someone will show you the ropes. Just so you're not surprised, we speed run to the boss room, tank aggros everything and dies before each boss. Good runs for a pub is 30 mins, premades can do it in 15 or under.
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I couldn't get my GC weapon before AK, because AK was the dungeon I had to clear to get 2nd lieutenant.
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Oh is that the case? I never went the GC route, well regardless it's still doable if you're carried etc or just have a really good group. Wanders drops some ok green weapons too.
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This is good advice. My group has never really had trouble until the bees spawn at the demon wall. As thm, I am finding it difficult to get enough time in between the purple floor and the aoe and the small 5 foot by 5 foot space I have to work in to get off any spells other than Fire 1 or Blizzard 1 (I guess Scathe would work too). Perhaps I do need a gear check, the priest dies just after (2-3 seconds) after the 1st golem spawn. But trying to get one of my limit breaks off on those bees would be nearly impossible. Any tips for a thm on that demon wall?
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I'm so spoiled as a tank. I always queue with a SMN friend who has his relic and we kill the demon wall right as the adds spawn. You can dps with AF just fine and win but you have to really know your class... and not be a class that requires hitting the back or side of the boss. So MNK and DRG are boned.
#17 Sep 09 2013 at 8:19 AM Rating: Decent
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shykin wrote:
I'm so spoiled as a tank. I always queue with a SMN friend who has his relic and we kill the demon wall right as the adds spawn. You can dps with AF just fine and win but you have to really know your class... and not be a class that requires hitting the back or side of the boss. So MNK and DRG are boned.


You do know you have to beat AK to get your relic right?
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Yeah I know, I'm not sure how thats relevant though. It's not like he couldn't have done it without me and beat the primals without me.
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shykin wrote:
Yeah I know, I'm not sure how thats relevant though. It's not like he couldn't have done it without me and beat the primals without me.


It just seemed that you think that him having the relic is the reason you and he can beat it. But he had to have beat it before without his relic.
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Yeah I know, I'm not sure how thats relevant though. It's not like he couldn't have done it without me and beat the primals without me.


It just seemed that you think that him having the relic is the reason you and he can beat it. But he had to have beat it before without his relic.


Nah, before the relic I had to tank the adds for a little while but the LB finished it off before long. The relic was just an explanation for why we can typically kill it before the adds spawn in case someone didn't believe it.
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shykin wrote:
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shykin wrote:
Yeah I know, I'm not sure how thats relevant though. It's not like he couldn't have done it without me and beat the primals without me.


It just seemed that you think that him having the relic is the reason you and he can beat it. But he had to have beat it before without his relic.


Nah, before the relic I had to tank the adds for a little while but the LB finished it off before long. The relic was just an explanation for why we can typically kill it before the adds spawn in case someone didn't believe it.


So the first DD was a summoner, who was the 2nd?
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Valkayree wrote:
shykin wrote:
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shykin wrote:
Yeah I know, I'm not sure how thats relevant though. It's not like he couldn't have done it without me and beat the primals without me.


It just seemed that you think that him having the relic is the reason you and he can beat it. But he had to have beat it before without his relic.


Nah, before the relic I had to tank the adds for a little while but the LB finished it off before long. The relic was just an explanation for why we can typically kill it before the adds spawn in case someone didn't believe it.


So the first DD was a summoner, who was the 2nd?


Usually someone from the ls but sometimes a random. I've had a BRD, MNK and DRG be our other dps. On rare occasions another SMN but strangely enough almost never a BLM. BRD was the fastest because of the lack of a positional requirement and foe requiem. The MNK was just behind but he got faster from relic so I'm not sure now. DRG was so-so but I think thats just due to rotation issues on our DRGs.

Oh and not to belittle the SMN and MNK by saying their DPS is only because of relic. They were great dps even before the relic. I add in my DPS by using Sword Oath until the adds spawn so that helps too.
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shykin wrote:
Valkayree wrote:
shykin wrote:
nonameoflevi wrote:
shykin wrote:
Yeah I know, I'm not sure how thats relevant though. It's not like he couldn't have done it without me and beat the primals without me.


It just seemed that you think that him having the relic is the reason you and he can beat it. But he had to have beat it before without his relic.


Nah, before the relic I had to tank the adds for a little while but the LB finished it off before long. The relic was just an explanation for why we can typically kill it before the adds spawn in case someone didn't believe it.


So the first DD was a summoner, who was the 2nd?


Usually someone from the ls but sometimes a random. I've had a BRD, MNK and DRG be our other dps. On rare occasions another SMN but strangely enough almost never a BLM. BRD was the fastest because of the lack of a positional requirement and foe requiem. The MNK was just behind but he got faster from relic so I'm not sure now. DRG was so-so but I think thats just due to rotation issues on our DRGs.

Oh and not to belittle the SMN and MNK by saying their DPS is only because of relic. They were great dps even before the relic. I add in my DPS by using Sword Oath until the adds spawn so that helps too.


I'm sure they were good players, I was just interested to see if other blm were having the same problems casting on that boss. It really feels like I could zerg the boss and skip the adds though, it seems like the adds are there to waste my time while that floor closes in. I dont know who the wiseguy in development was that decided the battle was too easy and in turn made a motion to cover the back half of the area with purple goo.

Edited, Sep 9th 2013 10:04am by Valkayree
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#24 Sep 09 2013 at 9:07 AM Rating: Good
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Ok so yes it's possible to kill the wall and ignore the adds, "IF you have enough DPS" - but it's far easier to LB.

I don't know about BLM LB there, the problem I assume is the cast time? Not a DD so I can't help you there, but I usually move early to the right position.
Basically it's left, then as soon as the middle is safe, move middle and then when the left is safe, IMMEDIATELY move left again - right here at this moment you are left and there is an enough delay before the middle poison starts, ends and the left poison to cast a LB.

Edited, Sep 9th 2013 11:19am by SyniteonReflux
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Ok so yes it's possible to kill the wall and ignore the adds, "IF you have enough DPS" - but it's far easier to LB.

I don't know about BLM LB there, the problem I assume is the cast time? Not a DD so I can't help you there, but I usually move early to the right position.


BLM lb takes 5-7 seconds at least so the only time I could do it would be in that window where is goes Middle, Sides, Middle, Sides, wait (use lb here), then push back.

I anticipate as well, I can get off usually 2 fire 1s that way before the switch. But the whole layout and fast purple floor switching really minimizes my damage potential as blm.

Edited, Sep 9th 2013 10:20am by Valkayree
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Sorry I edited it:

Basically it's left, then as soon as the middle is safe, move middle and then when the left is safe, IMMEDIATELY move left again - right here at this moment you are left and there is an enough delay before the middle poison starts, ends and the left poison to cast a LB.

I wouldn't wait for the cycle to end, too risky to get caught in the push back

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The problem isn't your AF, it's that (judging by most people I see in AK), people completely ignore their accessories.

I joined a dungeon yesterday and there was a DRG wearing a level 1 Ul'dan ring and a level 9 CP ring.

Hell if I was going to carry him through the dungeon, so I left, as did the PLD.

The least you can do is spend 5k for a HQ lvl 49 ring on the AH and get appropriate materia melded onto it.

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I think its just that.... people are still doing this for the first time. Everyone is not an MMO hero. The story leads you to AK but it doesn't tell you," hey this is a hard dungeon compared to what you just did!" Not everyone uses a forum. Lord knows I know this first hand as I hear questions on vent/ts3/LS chat/FC chat that have been answered here months ago and at least 4 times a day. DL set isn't a walk in the park. I've been spamming WPt and only have ~800 tombstones due to PUGs not getting up to the first boss. I think some people in DF expect a speed run only to see the tank pulling the adds you can walk past and leaving. The list goes on. Hey I tried to do AK once. I had no idea what to expect and after watching a youtube I still got knocked off and everyone bailed. Yup I didn't learn as much about that fight because of that. And see I have both tanks and healing class at 50 so I could get in instantly but how else am I to learn? Anyroad I have found some lvl 50 friends who have problems getting in and invited them to my FC. Here's hoping the up coming weekend goes better.
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Maybe I'll start a guide or something tonight
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A lot of good tips for some newer 50's in here that's for sure.

Unfortunately the only bad part I noticed was someone saying that they drop parties mid-dungeon if the DD don't meet their level of expectations according to a parser. Utterly ridiculous is what that is. If that person is so worried about min/maxing their run, they need to stick to running with their FC and not waste other people's time in a PUG by being a jerk. Talk about bad netiquette right there.
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If you work at your main job and spend the time to keep everything as up to date as possible you should be fine, as already stated the weapon especially for a DPS is a real gear check and running with auction house stuff might not cut the mustard. I'd spam ifrit for the weapon first.

Also running full AF is not enough for pickup groups in here, you can do much better for minimal gil and a few melds per slot. The NQ gryphonskin/darksteel/vanya etc are still much better than AF, thats another spot to push up your gear check.

Edited, Sep 9th 2013 1:15pm by aj7418
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Valkayree wrote:
shykin wrote:
Valkayree wrote:
shykin wrote:
nonameoflevi wrote:
shykin wrote:
Yeah I know, I'm not sure how thats relevant though. It's not like he couldn't have done it without me and beat the primals without me.


It just seemed that you think that him having the relic is the reason you and he can beat it. But he had to have beat it before without his relic.


Nah, before the relic I had to tank the adds for a little while but the LB finished it off before long. The relic was just an explanation for why we can typically kill it before the adds spawn in case someone didn't believe it.


So the first DD was a summoner, who was the 2nd?


Usually someone from the ls but sometimes a random. I've had a BRD, MNK and DRG be our other dps. On rare occasions another SMN but strangely enough almost never a BLM. BRD was the fastest because of the lack of a positional requirement and foe requiem. The MNK was just behind but he got faster from relic so I'm not sure now. DRG was so-so but I think thats just due to rotation issues on our DRGs.

Oh and not to belittle the SMN and MNK by saying their DPS is only because of relic. They were great dps even before the relic. I add in my DPS by using Sword Oath until the adds spawn so that helps too.


I'm sure they were good players, I was just interested to see if other blm were having the same problems casting on that boss. It really feels like I could zerg the boss and skip the adds though, it seems like the adds are there to waste my time while that floor closes in. I dont know who the wiseguy in development was that decided the battle was too easy and in turn made a motion to cover the back half of the area with purple goo.

Edited, Sep 9th 2013 10:04am by Valkayree



I used to really suck at the demon wall fight until I had enough practice. After figuring out the pattern it is a fairly predictable fight. The painful part may be getting with a group that will stick around for multiple attempts based on what I hear.

As a BLM I always start on the outer edge on the left. I swiftcast my Thunder 3 and then start throwing out fire spells. After I see the middle light up I know I can get in one more spell before I have to switch to the middle. After the outsides light up and subside I go back to the outer edge until the middle lights up again. There are always two rotations of Middle -> Outside and then a repel so after I move to the middle the 2nd time I stay there until after the repel. Then I move to the outer edge and just repeat the process all over again.

As far as using LB it depends on what your groups wants to do. You can have a DD use it to burn down one of the bees. If you are a BLM or a SMN wait till the first floor transition and use your LB while standing at the outer edge. This should give you enough time to get off the LB and then move. Lastly if you have a decently geared tank he can just hold the bees to one side and have your melee blow their LB on the boss to end it quicker.

I hope this helps.
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Dude doesn't the WHM have a knockback move? Can you knock one off? Haha
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A lot of good tips for some newer 50's in here that's for sure.

Unfortunately the only bad part I noticed was someone saying that they drop parties mid-dungeon if the DD don't meet their level of expectations according to a parser. Utterly ridiculous is what that is. If that person is so worried about min/maxing their run, they need to stick to running with their FC and not waste other people's time in a PUG by being a jerk. Talk about bad netiquette right there.


It's always easier to just kick a player or bail than bother to teach someone or explain, so thats what people do. It's not like they're required to care, if its duty finder you will probably never see them again anyway. That's just how it goes. Some people may go a large portion of their time in-game never knowing why they keep getting booted or why no one wants to group with them.
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Zosimo wrote:
A lot of good tips for some newer 50's in here that's for sure.

Unfortunately the only bad part I noticed was someone saying that they drop parties mid-dungeon if the DD don't meet their level of expectations according to a parser. Utterly ridiculous is what that is. If that person is so worried about min/maxing their run, they need to stick to running with their FC and not waste other people's time in a PUG by being a jerk. Talk about bad netiquette right there.


It's always easier to just kick a player or bail than bother to teach someone or explain, so thats what people do. It's not like they're required to care, if its duty finder you will probably never see them again anyway. That's just how it goes. Some people may go a large portion of their time in-game never knowing why they keep getting booted or why no one wants to group with them.


The reason some people do this isnt because they are min/maxing. Its because the next two bosses you will fail if you do not kill them within a certain time. If you have trouble killing the 1st boss then you have no chance getting the next two down. Its not about being eliteist or even a jerk, it just plain wont work.

The biggest waste of time would be to carry on and wipe over and over again.

Edited, Sep 9th 2013 2:25pm by Warby
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Warby wrote:
reptiletim wrote:
Zosimo wrote:
A lot of good tips for some newer 50's in here that's for sure.

Unfortunately the only bad part I noticed was someone saying that they drop parties mid-dungeon if the DD don't meet their level of expectations according to a parser. Utterly ridiculous is what that is. If that person is so worried about min/maxing their run, they need to stick to running with their FC and not waste other people's time in a PUG by being a jerk. Talk about bad netiquette right there.


It's always easier to just kick a player or bail than bother to teach someone or explain, so thats what people do. It's not like they're required to care, if its duty finder you will probably never see them again anyway. That's just how it goes. Some people may go a large portion of their time in-game never knowing why they keep getting booted or why no one wants to group with them.


The reason some people do this isnt because they are min/maxing. Its because the next two bosses you will fail if you do not kill them within a certain time. If you have trouble killing the 1st boss then you have no chance getting the next two down. Its not about being eliteist or even a jerk, it just plain wont work.

The biggest waste of time would be to carry on and wipe over and over again.

Edited, Sep 9th 2013 2:25pm by Warby


So learning the fights doesn't matter right? Because as long as I'm over geared for the fight I will win it the first time? Each one teach one.
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Warby wrote:
reptiletim wrote:
Zosimo wrote:
A lot of good tips for some newer 50's in here that's for sure.

Unfortunately the only bad part I noticed was someone saying that they drop parties mid-dungeon if the DD don't meet their level of expectations according to a parser. Utterly ridiculous is what that is. If that person is so worried about min/maxing their run, they need to stick to running with their FC and not waste other people's time in a PUG by being a jerk. Talk about bad netiquette right there.


It's always easier to just kick a player or bail than bother to teach someone or explain, so thats what people do. It's not like they're required to care, if its duty finder you will probably never see them again anyway. That's just how it goes. Some people may go a large portion of their time in-game never knowing why they keep getting booted or why no one wants to group with them.


The reason some people do this isnt because they are min/maxing. Its because the next two bosses you will fail if you do not kill them within a certain time. If you have trouble killing the 1st boss then you have no chance getting the next two down. Its not about being eliteist or even a jerk, it just plain wont work.

The biggest waste of time would be to carry on and wipe over and over again.

Edited, Sep 9th 2013 2:25pm by Warby


So learning the fights doesn't matter right? Because as long as I'm over geared for the fight I will win it the first time? Each one teach one.


To be quite honest there is not much to learn, the actual mechanics in this dungeon are a cakewalk. The MAIN thing that matters is the DPS output. 2nd boss for instance just has you moving side to side every several seconds, the hard part of this fight is not the mechanics, but to be able to kill it before it pushes you all the way back.
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Warby wrote:

To be quite honest there is not much to learn, the actual mechanics in this dungeon are a cakewalk. The MAIN thing that matters is the DPS output. 2nd boss for instance just has you moving side to side every several seconds, the hard part of this fight is not the mechanics, but to be able to kill it before it pushes you all the way back.


It doesn't sound very caster friendly. How do healers & DPS casters do their job if they have to keep sliding?
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Warby wrote:

To be quite honest there is not much to learn, the actual mechanics in this dungeon are a cakewalk. The MAIN thing that matters is the DPS output. 2nd boss for instance just has you moving side to side every several seconds, the hard part of this fight is not the mechanics, but to be able to kill it before it pushes you all the way back.


It doesn't sound very caster friendly. How do healers & DPS casters do their job if they have to keep sliding?


I will tell you my first (and only time) as a healer was horrid. I did not know what that stuff was on the floor and when I did move it moved with me. And after I learned the dance, it changed on me. I was standing in the rear doing my heal thing then the goop was on the floor yet again. So I hit sprint and run up out of it only to get knocked back into the goop. Some how I don't think having a relic would help me on this fight. And having only done it once doesn't help either.
#40 Sep 09 2013 at 1:13 PM Rating: Good
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nonameoflevi wrote:
rubina wrote:
Warby wrote:

To be quite honest there is not much to learn, the actual mechanics in this dungeon are a cakewalk. The MAIN thing that matters is the DPS output. 2nd boss for instance just has you moving side to side every several seconds, the hard part of this fight is not the mechanics, but to be able to kill it before it pushes you all the way back.


It doesn't sound very caster friendly. How do healers & DPS casters do their job if they have to keep sliding?


I will tell you my first (and only time) as a healer was horrid. I did not know what that stuff was on the floor and when I did move it moved with me. And after I learned the dance, it changed on me. I was standing in the rear doing my heal thing then the goop was on the floor yet again. So I hit sprint and run up out of it only to get knocked back into the goop. Some how I don't think having a relic would help me on this fight. And having only done it once doesn't help either.


I fully agree, having good gear DOES NOT mean you are a good player and will beat content. However, having bad gear in this particular dungeon DOES mean that you will almost certainly fail. Gear never trumps skill but in this case skill may not take you far enough is all im saying.
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#41 Sep 09 2013 at 2:21 PM Rating: Good
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Meh to each their own, ya it's a waste of time but I still take people up to the first boss as a tank and hopefully the 2nd, since the run is fast, people need to practice on the wall.

There's a sense of accomplishment when someone humbly says, cool thanks for the help, I'll go gear up some. This is the kind of community FFXI was founded on and if you can spare the time and the people are nice about it do try to help. Unless they're all grumpy when you politely try to give them tips, in which case ya screw them.

If you're a DPS then I understand you waited like 30 minutes in queue and don't want to waste your time, as a healer/tank though try to help your fellow mates out!
#42 Sep 09 2013 at 2:31 PM Rating: Decent
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SyniteonReflux wrote:
Meh to each their own, ya it's a waste of time but I still take people up to the first boss as a tank and hopefully the 2nd, since the run is fast, people need to practice on the wall.

There's a sense of accomplishment when someone humbly says, cool thanks for the help, I'll go gear up some. This is the kind of community FFXI was founded on and if you can spare the time and the people are nice about it do try to help. Unless they're all grumpy when you politely try to give them tips, in which case ya screw them.

If you're a DPS then I understand you waited like 30 minutes in queue and don't want to waste your time, as a healer/tank though try to help your fellow mates out!


First thing I do is ask if anyone is new. And if the answer is yes I start to explain stuff. I unfortunately can't explain anything about AK because the one time I did it was in a Non-English PUG that did a speed run.
#43 Sep 09 2013 at 2:37 PM Rating: Excellent
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Louiscool wrote:
afa03147 wrote:
Guys,

I just got 50 and I have full af so my gear is pretty much decent. However, some people are annoying. After 1st wipe they leave or when they check your gear. I just got 50 how do you want me to have good gear and I cannot even find members to finish the dungeon ? I understand that having good gear is indeed helpful, but its hard for a dps to find a queue because it takes at least 35-60 min. This really gets on my nerves.


Full af is not decent.

No offense, but it's not enough for that dungeon. Do Wanderer's or the last 2 story dungeons until you can buy some darklight and get a Grand Company Weapon.


I agree. Everyone will have AF. It's pretty much baseline gear when you look at it that way. Which is too bad, because I like the look of it. Especially the Dragoon gear. Smiley: nod
#44 Sep 09 2013 at 4:56 PM Rating: Decent
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nonameoflevi wrote:
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Yeah I know, I'm not sure how thats relevant though. It's not like he couldn't have done it without me and beat the primals without me.


It just seemed that you think that him having the relic is the reason you and he can beat it. But he had to have beat it before without his relic.


Not if you're 1.0. Well SMN wasn't in 1.0 but still...

nonameoflevi wrote:
So learning the fights doesn't matter right? Because as long as I'm over geared for the fight I will win it the first time? Each one teach one.


Assume you earned your over geared, you should not have much problem. It's not that hard to pick up gimmicks in the first run after one or two deaths.
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#45 Sep 09 2013 at 7:33 PM Rating: Decent
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SyniteonReflux wrote:
Ok so yes it's possible to kill the wall and ignore the adds, "IF you have enough DPS" - but it's far easier to LB.

I don't know about BLM LB there, the problem I assume is the cast time? Not a DD so I can't help you there, but I usually move early to the right position.
Basically it's left, then as soon as the middle is safe, move middle and then when the left is safe, IMMEDIATELY move left again - right here at this moment you are left and there is an enough delay before the middle poison starts, ends and the left poison to cast a LB.

Edited, Sep 9th 2013 11:19am by SyniteonReflux


Me and my friends speed run that as Pld Brd Blm Whm. Blm LBs the bugs no problem. Best run was about 18 minutes.

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I agree. Everyone will have AF. It's pretty much baseline gear when you look at it that way. Which is too bad, because I like the look of it. Especially the Dragoon gear.


Then you will love the AF 2. It's Blue, not purple, and less feminine. Unless, of course, you are a Bard... Bards get a pink/purple shirt. Thanks se..

Edited, Sep 9th 2013 9:35pm by Louiscool

Edited, Sep 9th 2013 9:35pm by Louiscool
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