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#77 Sep 09 2013 at 4:06 PM Rating: Decent

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I'm still trying to figure out what Gil is good for..

My first FF experience and I have more Gil than I know what to do with.

I travel via porting EVERY chance I get, repair often and every couple of levels check the marketplace for new gear.

Even with all that I have oodles of Gil.

Do they plan on implementing something later that is a money sink?

Try filling your gear with Materia and then get back to us.

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So I'm guessing that there is endgame content where that makes a difference or is that content still to come?

Not at 50 yet and I've found the GC gear to be far superior to anything dropped or sold in the marketplace - I haven't had any trouble zippnig through content/fights.

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What you perceive as cheating someone else will rationalize as cost effective.

No, cheating is not subjective.

Cheating is defined as intentionally breaking the rules in order to gain an advantage. In this case, buying gil is against the TOS. Therefore intentionally doing it anyway is cheating.

Yeah, and? So what? You seem to have a hard time understanding the concept of cognitive dissonance. Name calling and shaming will only change the behavior of others towards you, not in the way you hope. They'll still do it they just won't tell you about it.

The only "solution" is through clever and innovative game design. Fountains that aren't fun to play in and everything else as a sink is neither clever nor innovative, it's not even very fun. Quite frankly it's lazy and has led to the unintended consequence of raiders actually having to use the RMT services the game was [apparently] designed to inhibit. Giving raiders an incentive to use RMT because the alternatives are boring is not good design.

#79 Sep 09 2013 at 4:16 PM Rating: Decent

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Always an interesting discussion.

A few points of reference so folks understand where I am coming from.

- Interesting that some of the people complaining about gil buyers are the same who AFK'd during the first week and a half of the game, but that was okay. Hmm...
- In EQ and WoW I bought plat and gold.
- Buying in game currency is in violation of most games EULA therefore I and others have broken or are breaking the rules.
- in 13 years of MMORPG gaming I have never, never, experienced a destroyed economy as a result of RMT. Inflated? sure, but ruined? No.

The sanctimonious drivel that some of you are shoveling is ridiculous. EARN. Really? Because I may participate in RMT I don't know how to EARN? Laughable. I EARN my money just fine, thank you. I choose to spend it in whatever manner I see fit. It always has a result/consequence tied into it. Sometimes it's wife agro, sometimes I feel silly for what I bought and sometimes I have to "pay the piper". In other words, I am well aware that I am breaking a rule. I am well aware that I could be banned. But I don't care. I don't care because having the currency I need and still being able to have fun in game is important to me. I do not like to gather or farm. I'll use the market place to sell things and I'll accumulate currency from mobs and quest. If I get to a point where that is not sufficient, then I will most like buy.

And for the folks who want to scream at me, that's fine. I might actually listen when you don't break the speed limit, or stop using a foot or hand wedge in golf, or not fib to your boss on why you were late or call out sick when your just fine at home gaming, or telling your parents your busy with work when they invite you over.

Get over yourselves. It's a violation of a rule and if I am caught I pay a price, just like you do if you violate the "rules" I listed above.

The real argument is not whether it's wrong. We can all agree that it is. The real argument is if it actually destroys or really hurts an economy.

To be honest, i dont even care about ANY of that. **** the economy. Truly, We dont use gil anyhow.

Back when all RMT did was farm monsters here and there in a far away corner and sell their profits for real money, everyone was cool with it. And why not? They were just more "devoted" players farming more than anyone else. Good for them.

But now that they're litterally pissing off people endlessly, ruining any chance you have of talking in a town due to the massive amounts of /shout spam from them from a new character every 5 minutes, it's just TOO much. At this rate i dont even want to play the game anymore. If they simply werent so agressive about it, no one would have cared. Now it's ruining the fun we're having inside the game just by having them there.

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clanofthekestrel wrote:

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clanofthekestrel wrote:

I'm still trying to figure out what Gil is good for..

My first FF experience and I have more Gil than I know what to do with.

I travel via porting EVERY chance I get, repair often and every couple of levels check the marketplace for new gear.

Even with all that I have oodles of Gil.

Do they plan on implementing something later that is a money sink?

Try filling your gear with Materia and then get back to us.

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So I'm guessing that there is endgame content where that makes a difference or is that content still to come?

Not at 50 yet and I've found the GC gear to be far superior to anything dropped or sold in the marketplace - I haven't had any trouble zippnig through content/fights.

Prepare to have your perceptions changed.

In case that one doesn't do it.

And just in case third time is a charm.

SE. We have a problem.

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Archmage Callinon wrote:

I'm not sure how you're going from "there aren't enough ways to make money at 50" to "buying gil is a-ok."

I don't think anyone has made that argument. What is being said is that the game itself is creating a market for buying and selling gil.

The more I think about it, the less I like gear durability. If you wanted to play FFXI without needing much gil, there were ways you play it while spending little to no gil. You could simply run every where you went, and avoid paying for things like airship and ferry rides and chocobo rentals. But in FFXIV, you can't just avoid gear repairs. I suppose you could minimize what you have to repair by only wearing a weapon and nothing else. But that hardly seems like a good solution. Fancy gear is a big part of why people play RPGs. They shouldn't be discouraged from wearing gear because they're better off not having to repair it.

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Am I wrong to think that one way to save on repairs is to not wear your A-game gear for every minor skirmish you get into? Just save it for the boss fights, and such?

does that seem like fun to you?

It depends. In FFXI, multiple gear sets was the way you did business, albeit for slightly different reasons. But situational gear is not an unheard of concept for FFXI vets.

I see your point but in those cases it is actually fun.

I had multiple sets in Warcraft (e.g. tank sets: threat vs. EH), GW2 (WWW vs. PvE), FFXI (Classes), etc. but each one of those sets served a specific purpose and acquiring them and using them and maxing them was fun and none of them were simply junk sets I wore around town or during trash just so I could have fun with my other sets and not run out of money.

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Cheating is never cool - be it buying gil, using third party programs (unauthorised) or any other type of "hack" program.
I have seen so many people over the years either losing their accounts to Gil Sites or being banned for using exploits.
It just isn't worth it to me.
This game isn't even a month old and we've had a heap of problems.
The Gil seller spam is very annoying, but, it implies to me that there are methods of obtaining gil that we - the legit players haven't found yet and I'm guessing it's easy coz these guys aren't known for slavishly following anything hard.
Unless of course it's very lucrative-thinking Sky triggers here.

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KojiroSoma wrote:

OldKnees wrote:

Always an interesting discussion.

A few points of reference so folks understand where I am coming from.

- Interesting that some of the people complaining about gil buyers are the same who AFK'd during the first week and a half of the game, but that was okay. Hmm...
- In EQ and WoW I bought plat and gold.
- Buying in game currency is in violation of most games EULA therefore I and others have broken or are breaking the rules.
- in 13 years of MMORPG gaming I have never, never, experienced a destroyed economy as a result of RMT. Inflated? sure, but ruined? No.

The sanctimonious drivel that some of you are shoveling is ridiculous. EARN. Really? Because I may participate in RMT I don't know how to EARN? Laughable. I EARN my money just fine, thank you. I choose to spend it in whatever manner I see fit. It always has a result/consequence tied into it. Sometimes it's wife agro, sometimes I feel silly for what I bought and sometimes I have to "pay the piper". In other words, I am well aware that I am breaking a rule. I am well aware that I could be banned. But I don't care. I don't care because having the currency I need and still being able to have fun in game is important to me. I do not like to gather or farm. I'll use the market place to sell things and I'll accumulate currency from mobs and quest. If I get to a point where that is not sufficient, then I will most like buy.

And for the folks who want to scream at me, that's fine. I might actually listen when you don't break the speed limit, or stop using a foot or hand wedge in golf, or not fib to your boss on why you were late or call out sick when your just fine at home gaming, or telling your parents your busy with work when they invite you over.

Get over yourselves. It's a violation of a rule and if I am caught I pay a price, just like you do if you violate the "rules" I listed above.

The real argument is not whether it's wrong. We can all agree that it is. The real argument is if it actually destroys or really hurts an economy.

To be honest, i dont even care about ANY of that. @#%^ the economy. Truly, We dont use gil anyhow.

Back when all RMT did was farm monsters here and there in a far away corner and sell their profits for real money, everyone was cool with it. And why not? They were just more "devoted" players farming more than anyone else. Good for them.

But now that they're litterally pissing off people endlessly, ruining any chance you have of talking in a town due to the massive amounts of /shout spam from them from a new character every 5 minutes, it's just TOO much. At this rate i dont even want to play the game anymore. If they simply werent so agressive about it, no one would have cared. Now it's ruining the fun we're having inside the game just by having them there.

Fair enough. I can appreciate that. That's how I felt about the AFKer's.

Only bad thing about ZAM forums. It should be like or dislike. Love when someone presents a thought out opinion and it get's down rated to oblivion. LOL, way to debate folks.

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Fancy gear is a big part of why people play RPGs. They shouldn't be discouraged from wearing gear because they're better off not having to repair it.

So true. People didn't hang out on top of the AH in Org to show off their hemp gear.

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Cheating is never cool - be it buying gil, using third party programs (unauthorised) or any other type of "hack" program.
I have seen so many people over the years either losing their accounts to Gil Sites or being banned for using exploits.
It just isn't worth it to me.
This game isn't even a month old and we've had a heap of problems.
The Gil seller spam is very annoying, but, it implies to me that there are methods of obtaining gil that we - the legit players haven't found yet and I'm guessing it's easy coz these guys aren't known for slavishly following anything hard.
Unless of course it's very lucrative-thinking Sky triggers here.

They're hacking accounts of people who buy gil from them.

It's like a terrible Ponzi scheme. They started out with dozens of hacked accounts from people who didn't use a token and use the same username and password for each account. They lure in stupid people who go to buy gold, not realizing the websites are malware infested honeypots. Along with your cash for gil, they load trojans and keyloggers and probably sell your CC number out on the black market.

A week later, they hack the accounts of the people who bought gil, get all their gil and then some back, and use the account to shout until it's banned.

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The guys in my LS doing hardmode runs have a decent amount of Materia equipped, but I think the answer is "no" the current content does not absolutely require it.

And yet, crafting and GATHERING is greatly, GREATLY influenced by your CP, GP, control and perception. Wait need caps for that. PERCEPTION.

Every little bit of stat you can add to your equipment changes the whole dynamic of what you will get, what is possible to craft/gather and what your time spent vs. return on investment will be. So, the crafting/gathering Materia is currently the most expensive and hard to acquire item that I know of. You can't just whip some up. You have to equip some gear, then Spiritbind it, then hope that your Convert turns it into the Materia you wanted. (Which it will not.)

Maybe Crafting/gathering is not your thing.

Yoshida did state that EXTREME mode battle were coming. And players would absolutely need every possible edge to succeed. I think this is where double-meld equip will come into play. (And subsequently, the point at which some casual players will either quit or buy some gil.)

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KissMyPixel wrote:

The Gil seller spam is very annoying, but, it implies to me that there are methods of obtaining gil that we - the legit players haven't found yet and I'm guessing it's easy coz these guys aren't known for slavishly following anything hard.

My guess is they make multiple characters and do simple quests, vendor everything, transfer the gold to a mule/bank character then rinse and repeat. I assume this because it is what legit players have resorted to for gil and seems like an easy way of getting it.

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So I am going to play devils advocate here because I like a good argument on the internet.......and "Devils Advocate" is my in game name anyhow!

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I mean if you feel the need to buy gold and cheat your way then it's going to show when you get to end-game. You'll have all the gold in the world and probably the most expensive gear, but that won't replace a shred of skill. So please go ahead and buy gold so I can laugh at you when you get banned and when people start reporting you as a bad player.

So you are saying that if someone is to buy gold then they are automatically just a ****** and can't play the game worth a damn? So let's just use me as an example. I am a damn good tank, I take my time, hold aggro and study game mechanics, to the point I won't run a dungeon until I watch a "guide" on the bosses so I know what's up and how to lead my team in battle so to speak. Due to real world stuff I work about 65-70 hours a week consistently and have a wife and three kids still at home. So my play time is very limited as you can imagine.

But by your logic as good of a player as I am, if I decide to buy gold then suddenly all of my player skill just magically vanishes? I figure my performance would increase because then not only do I have my knowledge of the game at top notch but then the same gear to match.

I personally think all the gil buying stuff is way overrated anyway. I mean most of the best in slot gear in the game is bound to character, so the stuff you could "buy" just doesn't seem worth it to me. Now I know I will probably never get all the BIS gear since my playtime but that just is what it is.

Most MMO's have started making the gear as such to help cut down on the RMT's anyhow. I just don't see why you would buy Gil this particular game, it is just so easy to come by. But then again I am only level 34 and I have no idea what the endgame stuff cost but I am at over 20k in gil and I haven't done anything other than dungeons, story quests and a few FATE parties........

This is my sentiments exactly......

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You failed to see the logic I was using, by players who don't know what they're doing and just buy gold to get gear and look cool. They'll have no clue what they're going to do when they run end-game dungeons. The only reason why they got as far as they did is because they're carrying themselves around on a "silver platter" so to speak. It's like having a sh*t ton of money in real life, buying a Ferrari and then not knowing how to drive it. I'm only targeting THOSE players. For you to sit here and subject yourself to that kind of situation makes me question whether or not you understood the entirety of my post to begin with.

I understood your post just fine, you are labeling a situation you don't have any idea about, plain and simple. If you can come up with some data to back the idea that gil buyers are stupid and running around with a silver platter then please pass that information on so we can discuss it. Just because you disagree with something doesn't mean you know everything about it. You assume people buy gold get gear to look cool, you assume they will have no clue on endgame content.

I know someone that works with my company who drives a Viper Super Snake, and yes, he has no idea how to drive the thing to it's potential, he also went out and bought a Citation III to fly his kids and the family's kids around rather than taking normal flights like the rest of us. Under your reasoning, Brandon should be considered just stupid when in reality he runs one of the most successful business' in town.

I am only bringing this up because I played FFXI for a long time, about 7 years, and I can't recall someone with the top notch gear that where just horrible at their job. Now I saw plenty of people who wore average to slightly above par gear that sucked balls.........I don't know, maybe I can't wrap my head around this gil buying stuff, I just can't see someone buying gil who are complete turds.

I still think it is wrong and cheating for sure, no doubt. While I could afford it in my real life circumstances, there is no way I am going to buy gil for this game. I would much rather buy some new golf clubs or any number of things that I would get real world benefit out of.

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If I was rich in RL and don't care about getting banned because all I have to do is pay another 29.99 for a copy of the game, heck yea I would buy gil. I wouldn't want to waste hours upon hours farming for a particular item when I merely want to enjoy the game without doing any tedious work. Leave that to the peasants. Look at the super wealthy in real life. They don't work or pay taxes. They have people working for them and making money off of them. Just keeping it real, folks. And as always, haters be hating.

You know, if its just your problem i wouldnt care at all. But WE are ALL spammed in chats and tells during our precious time of gaming. And thats ONLY because there are people like you out there. Its also a tedious work to blacklist 3-4 names after zoning into a city. Thats what i had to do today on the server i am.

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Catwho wrote:

KissMyPixel wrote:

Cheating is never cool - be it buying gil, using third party programs (unauthorised) or any other type of "hack" program.
I have seen so many people over the years either losing their accounts to Gil Sites or being banned for using exploits.
It just isn't worth it to me.
This game isn't even a month old and we've had a heap of problems.
The Gil seller spam is very annoying, but, it implies to me that there are methods of obtaining gil that we - the legit players haven't found yet and I'm guessing it's easy coz these guys aren't known for slavishly following anything hard.
Unless of course it's very lucrative-thinking Sky triggers here.

They're hacking accounts of people who buy gil from them.

It's like a terrible Ponzi scheme. They started out with dozens of hacked accounts from people who didn't use a token and use the same username and password for each account. They lure in stupid people who go to buy gold, not realizing the websites are malware infested honeypots. Along with your cash for gil, they load trojans and keyloggers and probably sell your CC number out on the black market.

A week later, they hack the accounts of the people who bought gil, get all their gil and then some back, and use the account to shout until it's banned.

Yes, I understand all that - but I still believe there is something we haven't found yet.
If not then this really is a sad state of affairs Smiley: oyvey

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They're hacking accounts of people who buy gil from them.

It's like a terrible Ponzi scheme. They started out with dozens of hacked accounts from people who didn't use a token and use the same username and password for each account. They lure in stupid people who go to buy gold, not realizing the websites are malware infested honeypots. Along with your cash for gil, they load trojans and keyloggers and probably sell your CC number out on the black market.

Back that up please............where did you get that information from? Or did you just pull that out of your ***?

That would just be a horrible business model right? If that really was happening then wouldn't they not get any repeat business? Based on your thoughts then that means the only profitability of these companies is a one time user? So that is what has been keeping them in business for all these years?

And if that is the case then why are the only people who spammed me in FFXI and the people who have started to spam me in FFXIV have goofy names like "FJHD KJAJHJF" and "UNWEI KAJFH" then?

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curious about the "hacking their customers" statement as well. How does one determine another's SE ID and PW based on a server and a character name and perhaps a paypal address?

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If I was rich in RL and don't care about getting banned because all I have to do is pay another 29.99 for a copy of the game, heck yea I would buy gil. I wouldn't want to waste hours upon hours farming for a particular item when I merely want to enjoy the game without doing any tedious work. Leave that to the peasants. Look at the super wealthy in real life. They don't work or pay taxes. They have people working for them and making money off of them. Just keeping it real, folks. And as always, haters be hating.

You know, if its just your problem i wouldnt care at all. But WE are ALL spammed in chats and tells during our precious time of gaming. And thats ONLY because there are people like you out there. Its also a tedious work to blacklist 3-4 names after zoning into a city. Thats what i had to do today on the server i am.

Haters be haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaatttttinnnnnnnnnngggggggg... hahah don't hate the player, hate the game.

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omgomgomgomgomgomgOHMAHGERD!!!!

I haven't seen a real gold-buying thread in the wild since the Great FFXI Christmas Inflation of 2005!

To know these threads STILL exist... it just...

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This topic is just as controversial as gay marriage, religion, politics, and drug use.

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To be honest I almost nuked this thread because I thought it was an advertisement with the ALL CAPS and ! Smiley: laugh

I was halfway through the ban module before I looked at it closer, so you weren't the only one...

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We need more ways to make gold in this game.

So far at 50 there are very few ways to generate gil.
3000gil/day from Leves.
<100gil per FATE
1400gil per dungeon run (per group, not per person)
This is not sustainable.

Repairs from a dungeon cost between 2k-5k per run (for the entire group)
The AH takes 5% out of the economy

You will lose money doing dungeons
You will lose money going out to grind
You will break even or small gain doing FATEs
You will earn limited money from Leves.

The way the game is currently setup there is simply not enough ways to generate money into the economy. Unless this is fixed the game economy will collapse.

You can get 20k+ from crafting leves every day, for a lvl 50. This require you to level gathering stuff if you strictly want new gil into the economy, and not buying material through AH because that's gil exchanging hands. All you need to do is crafting 3 x 3 x 6 HQ lvl 40 items and hand them in repeatable crafting leves, for 400 gil x 3 x 3 x 6 per day.

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Or rather not to waste time, no harm spending a few dollars to buy gils. USD$7/10000gils now. It's a reasonable rate. I do my transactions from an Internet cafe, I use Paypal to complete the transaction, and when the RMT company needs to give me a call, I give them my prepaid mobile SIM card number. Upon delivery, I have a secondary account for collection. There's no way for RMT to get near me. I know such antics from these companies and counter measures are in place.

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KingoGoodbomber wrote:

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We need more ways to make gold in this game.

So far at 50 there are very few ways to generate gil.
3000gil/day from Leves.
<100gil per FATE
1400gil per dungeon run (per group, not per person)
This is not sustainable.

Repairs from a dungeon cost between 2k-5k per run (for the entire group)
The AH takes 5% out of the economy

You will lose money doing dungeons
You will lose money going out to grind
You will break even or small gain doing FATEs
You will earn limited money from Leves.

The way the game is currently setup there is simply not enough ways to generate money into the economy. Unless this is fixed the game economy will collapse.

You can get 20k+ from crafting leves every day, for a lvl 50. This require you to level gathering stuff if you strictly want new gil into the economy, and not buying material through AH because that's gil exchanging hands. All you need to do is crafting 3 x 3 x 6 HQ lvl 40 items and hand them in repeatable crafting leves, for 400 gil x 3 x 3 x 6 per day.

That's nice. So what? A level 50 combat job shouldn't have to go mine ore or cut down trees of be literally FORCED to level a craft to 50 simply to progress in the first tier of endgame content using combat jobs. And you won't even be leveling the craft with an end point of a nice endgame starting set but just the ability to afford your own repairs. Grats, you leveled a class to 50 for the sole purpose of doing a daily in order to maybe break even. Whoppity freaking do do. How is that fun?

When warriors were running out of gold in vanilla wow due to high repair costs (later nerfed) nobody told them to STFU and go grab a pick axe and farm copper or level tailor or blacksmith. They shouldn't have to. Not everyone think's making underwear and ignots for hours just to have an hour to do what you like is fun. If that is the case then it is simply poor not-fun game design.

The idea that you are forced to level a DoH class you may or may not find boring is also against the marketing message that SE is putting out for ARR, where you are not restricted and can do whatever you want and "switch classes on the fly" by merely swapping weapons. Yeah, sure, you can do whatever you want, just so long as you grind a craft you may find boring for hours and hours first. THEN you can have fun for like an hour before being FORCED to put your smock back on and go to "work" for another X hours enriching vendors so you can have fun again.

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Or rather not to waste time, no harm spending a few dollars to buy gils. USD$7/10000gils now. It's a reasonable rate. I do my transactions from an Internet cafe, I use Paypal to complete the transaction, and when the RMT company needs to give me a call, I give them my prepaid mobile SIM card number. Upon delivery, I have a secondary account for collection. There's no way for RMT to get near me. I know such antics from these companies and counter measures are in place.

First time in all my days where someone was like "Yep, I buy gil, what of it?" LOL

Bro, there is so much you can do to make gil in this game that ties directly to the GREAT storyline, you are actually missing out on some good gameplay by doing so. But more power to ya :)

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