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I need help moving from Gamepad to Keyboard and Mouse...Follow

#27 Sep 09 2013 at 4:53 PM Rating: Good
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All you need is a naga mouse (or similar gaming mouse with 3rd party macro set up)

The in game macro doesn't work past one decimal, meaning your GCD of 2.44 needs to be waited for 2.5 to work...bad stuff.

What you then want to do is make a few macros (most software lets you record actions so no programming needed, and its actually more user friendly than the in game macro, while being way more efficient)

Whatever class you are, im sure you notice you use some skills in a rotation, other situational.

The main thing you are going to have issues with is the fact that you need lots of stuff bound to your keyboard and many button on the keyboard are not viable for constant use. You are not going to want the default 6,7,8,9,0,-,= keys on your hotbar to remain that way and attempt to finger press them.

So you are going to need to go into keybinds and figure out what keys other than wasd you don't need and assign hotbar spots to them. Some even go as far as only using W to move forward and none of the ASD or QE strafe (its better to mouse turn)

So you make macros for your extra mouse buttons, and can remove those skills from your hotbar (or keep them to watch) and place other situational skills on your `,1,2,3,4,5 with the ones you use most often or time is the essence type skills to the buttons you can hit the fastest and easiest.

Now comes to rare use stuff. Food, potions, pets, strange skills or buffs. These you can set up away from your main cluster and mose over to click them. This will allow you to use just about every skill without having to dislocate a finger or create a 90 button ps3 game pad.

Some tips on keeping a clean screen. You can click the hot bar arrows on your primary hotbar, scroll back to like bar 5-7 and place combo skills or rotation skills there, go into keybind and rebind every slot with a skills to somewhere on your keyboard if you are going to macro off your mouse use like number pad binds and set that in your mouse macro, you wont even have to be on this hotbar and now those skills can be out of your way. (I do recommend placing combo and rotation skills somewhere seen for a bit as you tweak your macro so you can see them being used and cool downs ect)

Now if you did all of this...your staring now at a foreign screen whith a completely changed combat mechanic...its going to take some getting use to...you might want to rebind stuff after a bit of play...you might want to move stuff... this stuff takes PC games a bit of time to settle into a keybind/macro/HUD layout that feels right...you will find it though.

Once you get it right youll never go back...will fit you like a glove, your DPS will drastically improve if your macros are set to the correct GCD, and you wont have to ignore skills you cant use (you should never ignore skills).
#28 Sep 09 2013 at 5:02 PM Rating: Good
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The best gaming keyboards are cheapo ones without bloat that you can pop keys out of without worry. Last time I checked Korean SC players use $10 keyboards and things like Samsung DT-35 hardly revolutionary or innovative.
#29 Sep 09 2013 at 5:39 PM Rating: Good
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KingoGoodbomber wrote:
The best gaming keyboards are cheapo ones without bloat that you can pop keys out of without worry. Last time I checked Korean SC players use $10 keyboards and things like Samsung DT-35 hardly revolutionary or innovative.


That is true, there is skill involved. Buying the best gaming peripherals won't make you a better player. You might have the illusion of being a better player and I guess that helps psychologically. But the good news is that you can improve your gaming skills by adapting and striving to become better and better at games.
#30 Sep 09 2013 at 5:49 PM Rating: Good
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ASpaceman wrote:
KingoGoodbomber wrote:
The best gaming keyboards are cheapo ones without bloat that you can pop keys out of without worry. Last time I checked Korean SC players use $10 keyboards and things like Samsung DT-35 hardly revolutionary or innovative.


That is true, there is skill involved. Buying the best gaming peripherals won't make you a better player. You might have the illusion of being a better player and I guess that helps psychologically. But the good news is that you can improve your gaming skills by adapting and striving to become better and better at games.


Absolutely. You don't need the fancy toys to do well.

As long as you aren't handicapping yourself by doing something like keyboard turning, you'll be fine with whatever you're comfortable using. As long as you can move and use your abilities easily, you're golden.
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#31 Sep 09 2013 at 5:54 PM Rating: Good
little late to the party..maybe.

I use both the Nostromo shown above with a Razer Naga. They take about an hour at most to get use to.

Nostromo has WASD in the middle for me, and then 1-0, plus space (#15), plus the wheel button up is my M (for map) and down is I (inventory). My #3 is the down button on the D-pad. Left on d-pad is my Speak button (for vent/mumble) the other 3 buttons I've yet to use (the bit round button above the d-pad seems to be hit or miss in how well it will function. Mine is sh*ttly made, so I don't even bother to asign anything to it).

My Razer Naga is then CTRL+1 - =, so bascially Action BAr #2's row. Scroll wheel is zoom in and out, and the 13 & 14 button are unused (the way I place my hand on the mouse, they are a reach to use).

As for my UI, I don't have a current pic, but I did unlock BAR 3 for stuff I click (long CDs) and BAR 8 (moved to right side of screen) for Random stuff (minion, Chocobo stuff).

I play on a lap top, so using the above, I can keep my arms/wrist/hands at what feels like a more natural comfortable position.

Edited, Sep 9th 2013 6:54pm by Sandinmygum
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#32 Sep 09 2013 at 6:02 PM Rating: Good
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For reference, my Nostromo is set up like this:

 
Shift 1 2 3 - 
Ctrl  4 5 6 = 
Alt   7 8 9   


Wheel is pageup/pagedn (some games have a use for this, most don't... in Aion I used it to open/close my wings for instance).
Wheel button is mouse3 which is my vent/mumble button. Can press it on either the Nostromo or the mouse, whichever is more convenient at the time.

The thumb button is 0 which I use as a cooldown key, the small button above that is Tab, and I've already explained the d-pad.

For modifier keys, they're all nice and accessible, and ctrl+alt and shift+ctrl are comfortable enough to hit as modifier combinations, though some of the buttons don't work super well with shift+ctrl (shift+ctrl+7 for example kinda sucks). In general I use the shift+ctrl combo to operate a pet bar which is not something I need to interact with a lot during the normal course of gameplay.
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#33 Sep 09 2013 at 11:41 PM Rating: Decent
jaggars wrote:
So in FFXI I used a gamepad, enjoyed it. FFXIV I'm using a gamepad and I like it, but I'm quickly running out of buttons and targetting is not much fun. I don't like switching hotbar sets in the middle of battles either...

So does anyone have any advice on how to make the switch from Gamepad to keyboard and mouse? I'd love to see some of your HUDs that look nice with a kb+m set up.

I'm a DRG btw...don't know if that makes a difference.


I just use WASD for movement and all buttons around it mapped to skills. I set up the hotbars to resemble my keyboard layout so I'm not fumbling around or having to use CTRL/ALT/Shift + a key for abilities. Other things like item sets and logs are on the right side so I don't have to fumble through menus or the small default icons.

Here's the layout. I think it's pretty intuitive.

http://s24.postimg.org/5lo9fp3lh/layout.png

Edited, Sep 10th 2013 1:42am by CaptainMalReynolds
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