Ifrit Hard Mode - StunningFollow

Alright, so I started doing Ifrit Hard Mode tonight with a couple friends. My first try wasn't the best - I was put on stun duty and needless to say I wasn't doing it well. But after the second and third times I had it down no problem. I was only stunning when Ifrit casted Eruption and ignored the Plume attack.

However, other people in the party were using abilities which stunned Ifrit. According to what I've read, each time you stun him it increases his resistance to subsequent stuns. I tried explaining why I was missing the eruption stuns (because I was getting resisted) but they continued to blame me for it.

So my question is this: is this information accurate? If other party members perform a stun, does it increase the chance that Ifrit will resist my own stun? Moreover, how do I explain this to party members complaining about the stuns?

It's even worse with single target sleep (Repose) and you have to manage a particularly large pull as the WHM. Though once in a while you will get a lucky longer sleep, after a very short sleep.

THM/BLM at least get a chance on the entire crowd with each cast, You lucky Duckies.

Some days it just turns into a slow, self destructive spiral. Alternating between curing the tank, Sleeping a mob, Curing myself, sleeping a mob, re-sleeping the #3 because someone whacked it, curing the tank, re-sleeping # 3 because someone whacked it and it's taken me down to 1/3rd now... Cure-bombing myself and popping Shroud to cut my enmity again.

Of course, a slow, self destructive spiral at least gives the rest of the team time to re-establish control. Also why you'll see me obsessively Stoneskinning the tank just as the last mob in a pull dies (I hit it at a sliver of red, the cast ends as mob dies, no lost time) . in a game where fractions of a second count, not having to cure-bomb a low-def tank at the start of the fight really keeps things smooth.

Edited, Sep 11th 2013 1:10am by OtosanOokami

Yes, the cooldown of the internal diminishing returns will reset over time.

Here's a good example:

Cast sleep: 30 seconds of sleep
@5 seconds left on sleep, cast freeze (it binds all targets in a targeted area) which has its own DR separate from sleep
@3 seconds left on bind, recast sleep which will give you the 15 seconds of sleep (DR for sleep is in place at this time)
@5 seconds left on sleep, cast freeze which now has a duration of around 8 seconds IIRC
@3 seconds left on bind, cast sleep once more which will give you around 8 seconds of sleep
At this point, sleep is on the diminishing returns internal cooldown. If cast again, you will receive a "Fully resisted" message
@3~4 seconds left on sleep, cast bind which will bind them for another 2 seconds or so
At this point, freeze is on the diminishing returns internal cooldown. If cast again, it will have no binding effect.

At this time, sleep's internal DR cooldown should be up and you can recast sleep which will stick for another 30 seconds.

If you want exact numbers, I'll figure them out tomorrow. This just gives you an idea of what's going.

Basically, 'stun' shares a DR internal CD with just about every other stun ability. If someone keeps using it on Ifrit, it will eventually become immune. This is why you generally have a paladin for stunning eruption.

Edited, Sep 12th 2013 12:31am by HitomeOfBismarck

Ok, thanks guys. It's just a little annoying to be blamed for not stunning when I'm doing what I"m supposed to but still getting resisted.

Agreed, I really only use it when I'm soloing to close on the mob. Using it in a Dungeon is not useful in any meaningful way that I have come across yet...

it's useful in a dungeon for closing the gap as well. just don't use it if it's going to needlessly build resists on something important. or do use it on something important if you can time it right. or just use it on trash.

I can confirm that Arcanist pet stun moves affect the DR on Ifrit, that's why most of SMN I see (in Ifrit) is using the pet without stun or they order it manually.