Discussion: Does DRG need a buff?Follow

So with endgame dungeons etc being done a fair bit now a few things are popping up on my FFXIV APP parser and others in my FC when they do group content.

Dragoon. It is good melee dps class but is out dps'ed in nearly every battle by a Bard and Black Mage (not by loads but still) and depending on the fight on par with Monk but provide much better burst when needed. With equal gear sets.

Now thats all fine, range classes are most likely going to deal more damage due to the mechanics of the game and Black Mages are made of glass but the thing that we all cant work out is, why should we bring a Dragoon to any of the endgame content?

They offer very little support for other classes compared to the other DPS classes. Lets have a look here:

Black Mage:

AoE Sleep

Lethargy (Slow and heavy instant range cast)

Best AoE damage in the game

Apocatastasis (grants elemental resistance to a party member)

Can take Eye for an Eye from ACN for a barrier if needed

Can take Virus from ACN for a debuff to the bosses/mobs stats

Can also heal themselves if they know an attack is about to land (eg. Titan falling from the sky, preload Physick on someone who is already low or yourself) ALTHOUGH IT IS VERY WEAK.

EDIT: Freeze (AoE Bind at a specified location)

Summoner

Instant cast battle res (if THM is levelled up to 26) in my opinion this is just great

Virus

Eye for an Eye

Bard

The songs! all the songs have great usage and I dont think I need to explain why they bring great support to a group at times

Rain of Death (lowers targets damage dealt)

Can take Mantra from Monk if needed to help with healing

Monk

Mantra for more effective healing (good as you are generally near the tank most of the time who will need the mantra buff)

2 Different stuns, 1 ranged and 1 melee range

Can remove a buff from a boss/mob with One Ilm Punch

Can AoE Silence

EDIT: Dragon kick (reduces target's blunt resistance by 10% aiding in their DPS but no one elses as far as I am aware - Also lowers the bosses/mobs INT by 10%).

Dragoon

Weaker Mantra but can still grab it from the Monk tree

2 Different stuns, 1 ranged and 1 melee just like monk

EDIT: Disembowel (reduces target's piercing resistance by 10% aiding in their DPS and bards).

EDIT: Feint (Slow +20% for 20 seconds) Cross class skill for Bard and Monk also. 10s slow compared to the upgraded version dragoon have which is 20s.

SO! With all that laid on the table I want to start a discussion here about what your thoughts are regarding this? Am I missing something here? Or do Dragoons need a buff to their group play because right now they have the least amount of group support and do not hold top spot for DPS, so why would you take them over a Monk? Or anyone else for that matter.

DRG is just fine, but some people only look at raw data without being able to interpret it properly. For example, one of the weaknesses of any front line class is dodging the AoE's. That's not just a DRG concern. However, DRG has a few tools that help the job surpass other dps. One example is the Super Jump(yes, I'm calling it by the FFXI name) ability that sheds hate. This allows for DRG's to wreck havoc including using the LB more often without having a death sentence. Speaking of LB, it's common knowledge by most people that DRG has the most damaging LB so far. Now will I complain if they buff DRG some more, hell no, but it's the playerbase that isn't exploiting the job enough if any of this reedit nonsense holds any truth.



No, only CNJ/WHM can do this, not SMN. The ability to raise in battle is impossible for other jobs. After the fight, who cares if you have an instant raise or not. If the WHM goes down during a raid, you can't even raise him on SMN. It's because of this....


Lv28 CNJ Trait Allows the casting and Raise while engaged in battle.

Edited, Sep 11th 2013 12:18pm by ShadowedgeFFXI

A long while ago, in a game far, far away, I had mentioned off hand how no matter what Square did with the Dragoon class that the players would complain about how weak they were. It never occurred to me that that particular tradition would carry over to a new game.

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Edited, Sep 11th 2013 8:56pm by Strangerous

Here is the deal with DRG.

I think it may be the highest single target DPS class, possibly by a lot. However, it brings NOTHING else to the table.

Also, its not easy to get their maximum DPS, as you have to basically have the mob stand still, apply your flank buff, apply your from behind debuff, apply DOT's, combo correctly, using that insta crit for your last big hit combo and repeat.

So what happens when the mob moves and your combo from behind doesn't apply the debuff you need? DPS drops. What happens when your third combo is ready and you apply the crit buff and then the boss takes flight...dps drops.