This kind of behavior from a level 50 tank? Seriously?Follow

I'm still fairly new to the tank class, but one thing that really helped my situational awareness was zooming out. Seems simple, but when I was level 20ish I was still zoomed in pretty close - one enemy would take up my entire screen and I couldn't see when one stripped off to attack my healer. Made a world of difference.

I couldn't disagree more. You say that the DPS doesn't wait for you to 'setup' mobs. The fact that you feel you need to prep pulls makes it clear that you believe you should be controlling pulls so why wouldn't you be in charge of marking?

Maybe it's the fact that I play SC2, but it takes almost no time to 'setup' your pull marking mobs for damage and/or cc. Tanking is simple and straightforward.

Step 1) Get aggro
Step 2) Mitigate damage
Step 3) Maintain aggro

If there are less and less tanks in queue it'll be because they find out that they don't enjoy it or they're bad at it, not because a DPS didn't wait for them to mark because they're slow.

You're forgetting the most common reason why there are less and less tanks/healers around. The blatant emotional abuse from 12 year old damage dealers who think they know everything but dont level a tank or healing job themselves.

I'm not misconstruing anything. It may be difficult for you, but it's not for me. Perhaps your class has different mechanics, but I can target and mark mobs as soon as they're in range. Tanking is too easy to get upset about DPS being in a hurry to kill things. Even if they are trigger happy, DPS is never tanking long enough that healers run out of mana or put us in any danger of wiping.

So I didn't hold aggro for 100% of the duration of a pull. My group didn't wipe, my bum is not sore and there are no scrapes on my internet badge of honor.



It's not a great responsibility, it's a trivial dungeon run.

Edited, Sep 14th 2013 6:24am by FilthMcNasty

Sure you did. People will go on and on over anything, which is something I don't have a lot of time for, and with that, there isn't much more that needs to be said to you.




Have we run a dungeon together? No? Then don't presume to know how I treat others in a party due to a fairly harmless comment left in a forum.

As I've gotten to higher and higher levels I've found, as a dps, that marks are really REALLY helpful.

Let me give an example:

I was in Stone Vigil yesterday.. on the very first pull the tank just ran in and started whacking things. Now whenever a tank doesn't mark things, I generally focus the target they started with. Well it didn't take much focusing...after 2 attacks I had pulled threat on that target. So I switch to another target to try and give the tank time to get the first one back. One attack later, I have threat on the second target.

At this point I'm popping defensive cooldowns and searching the auto-translator for "Please set the enemy marks." Because me just watching the threat meter clearly isn't quite enough.

I'm not an idiot. I know how threat works, and I know how to read the two threat meters provided. I know when to hold back, I know when to switch targets to avoid pulling threat. But this was literally after pushing two buttons.

This isn't an attempt to make myself look amazing, or to say that "lulz tankz r bad l2p." This is intended to illustrate that not all tanks are capable of holding threat from dps that are doing their job properly without the assistance of the marking system...or telepathy.

Edited, Sep 14th 2013 10:10am by Callinon

The question becomes, "Would I ever want to run a dungeon with you after reading your remarks here?"

The answer is obviously, "No."

FilthMcNasty,
Didn't bother to read your comment, so save you're energy for micro-managing and ruining an otherwise fun experience for others within the game. As I said, I'm done with you.



And the reply is an obvious; thank-fking-God. Please refer Zosimo's comment--couldn't have said it better myself.

..And let the nerd-aggro and down voting begin!



My sentiments exactly. These people seem to forget that their sh*tty pseudo-elitist uber-basement-dwelling attitudes are ruining what should be an enjoyable experience for everyone. A lot of people new to MMO's are joining this game simply because they're a fan of the FF series. When SE starts selling again, there's going to be even more MMO newbies playing, so these people better get over themselves quickly. If these pseudo-elitist's want a game where everyone is on guard and trying their hardest (to the point of stressing), like someone else suggested, go play Wizardly since perma-death weeds out those who aren't ready for higher levels.

After a long day of work, I want to come home and play with friendly individuals and not worry about childish fits and childish finger-pointing. Yeah there's a lot of dateless, tight-assed stick-danglers on this game, but I've had the luck of playing with a few great people, which makes the game worthwhile, in my opinion.

Edited, Sep 14th 2013 7:29pm by OhimeKowai

The irony...

Feel free not to read my comments. They were completely rational suggestions on how you can avoid being disgruntled about people who can and will pull mobs because they don't want to wait for you to fumble through the vastly improved interface to mark every mob and bark out painfully obvious orders to follow in order to defeat a pack of trash.

It just so happens that I am a tank. It is my job to mitigate as much incoming damage as I can from myself and my group. This includes controlling packs of multiple mobs and keeping their focus, positioning the mobs so that party members are out of harms way and keeping my group in the best position they can be to do their job effectively. I really don't see anything exceptional about the way I perform in my role so it's not something I brag about; it's my own personal expectation about what my performance should be.

I save my energy for doing my job effectively and efficiently. I don't ruin anyone's experience because I'm prepared to do my job. God forbid someone in my group actually try to rip aggro from me... I might actually be faced with a challenge; one which I would certainly enjoy. In fact, if DPS spent the entire dungeon trying to make my job harder, I'd probably thank them for it.

Call me a *********

Well Hitome, it looks like you're all out of things to say, move along now since you've strayed far off-topic for long enough. All I see here are you and that other dateless bottom-feeder sniffing each others a$$holes. I'm sure there's a bucket of Hagen Daz waiting for you to insta-face-dive into it, since it clearly seems to be that time of the month for you. Bye.

Filth, (an appropriate name if I may add) again your overzealous "I have no social life" rant has gone unread. I'll leave you and your little cyber girlfriend to virtual dry-hump each other's leg in this thread. After all, people like you have nothing better to look forward to other than harassing people over forums and making people (who would otherwise be having fun playing the game and running dungeons) feel as though your narrow-minded way is the only way to play and have fun. No one wants to be stressed when they run dungeon, and especially not by a bunch of ****** assed 12-year-old kids whom think they're entitled to tell others what to do and how to play while throwing respect and self-control to the wayside.

Huh. Just remembered I had a crush on a Zosimo in 8th grade. Then his family got orders for Holland so our love was not meant to be

Speaking of tanking properly, I have a question about a macro I want to set up. Basically I am only interested in marking one mob at a time, thus I want to just place the number 1 mark up and I've been using:

/enemysign attack1 <t>
/ac "Heavy Swing" <t>

However each time I use Heavy Swing, it'll turn off/on the attack sign 1. Is there a stop script line I need to use? I cannot seem to get it to work properly.