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#1 Sep 11 2013 at 9:22 PM Rating: Decent
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is the allagan weapon better?

Also what about allagan vs artifact +1?
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Allaghan = Relic +1.
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#3 Sep 11 2013 at 9:31 PM Rating: Default
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this seems to suggest otherwise:

it seems to imply that you get relic +1 by spending mythology tomes while the allagan weapon deops from bahamuts coil

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Tiers of Equipment
Weapon

Grand Company / Crafted - First level 50 weapon you want to get
Darklight - costs Allagan Tombstones of Philosophy
Primal - Ifirit < Titan < Garuda
Relic - requires a long quest chain and for you to beat all three HM Primals
Relic+1 - costs Allagan Tombstones of Mythology
Allagan - drops from Coil of Bahamut


Armour

Artifact (blue Class gear) / Grand Company
Amdapor Keep drops
Darklight - costs Allagan Tombstones of Philosphy
Artifact+1 - costs Allagan Tombstones of Mythology
Allagan - drops from Coil of Bahamut


What Happens at 50?
Once you reach level 50 you gain access to:

Castrum Meridianum - 100 Allagan Tombstones of Philosophy
The Praetorium - 100 Allagan Tombstones of Philosophy
The Wanderers Palace -
Amdapor Keep - 80 Allagan Tombstones of Philosophy and 40 Allagan Tombstone of Mythology
(Speak to Nedrick in Vesper Bay after completing the main storyline to unlock this instance)

What you want to do at level 50 is unlock and begin running the level 50 dungeons, especially Amdapor Keep. While Castrum and Praetorium are faster Tombstone of Philosophy farms, Amdapor Keep armour is slightly better than your Artifact gear and while collecting it you are also farming Allagan Tombstones of Philosophy and Mythology.

Allagan Tombstones of Philosophy (ATP) tokens can be exchanged for Darklight gear and Allagan Tombstones of Mythology (ATM) for Artifact+1 from NPCs in Revenant's Toll - Mor Dhona.

After Darklight
Once you have your Darklight gear (or even while still working towards a full set) you can start on your Relic weapon quest. This requires you to have completed all of the main story line and done of all the class/job quests for the specific weapon you are after.
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Tiers of Equipment
Weapon

Grand Company / Crafted - First level 50 weapon you want to get
Darklight - costs Allagan Tombstones of Philosophy
Primal - Ifirit < Titan < Garuda
Relic - requires a long quest chain and for you to beat all three HM Primals
Relic+1 - costs Allagan Tombstones of Mythology
Allagan - drops from Coil of Bahamut





There are no purchasable DL weapons. They (at least in my case) dropped from WP.
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You need 900 Philosophy Tomestone for Relic and 900 Mythology Tomestone for Relic +1.

People already cleared 4 levels of Bahamut Coil without Full DL or Relic +1.

If people could do that, would they rather wait patiently for AF2 (cap 300 Myth Tomestone a week, a minimum 2 weeks to get 1 single piece of AF2) or Relic+1 when they can instead run for Allaghan?

Your choice. Also Allaghan = Relic +1/ AF 2.

The way it is set up, Relic +1/AF 2 is a steady but long progress to get. Allaghan is a hard but quicker progress to get because your progress through the Coil (if you cleared lvl 4, next time you pop in at lvl 5) is saved for the week and only reset (make your way up from lvl 1) when the weekly reset pop in.

Also the "guide" missed out HQ crafted.

http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/5121/2vqw.png

Tell me if your Garuda/Titan can beat that.

Edited, Sep 11th 2013 11:52pm by Khornette
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#6 Sep 11 2013 at 9:56 PM Rating: Default
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so if ppl cleared lvl 4 w/o full DL or relic+1 then i guess ppl saying you need full darklight before you can do amdapor is a lie too? Also the limit of tomes you can get is capped weekly? that sucks so much for no more "timesinks" that as bad as only being able to run dynamis once every 3 days and well you see that got rid of that now.
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You run Amdapor to get DL, not the other way around.

People already cleared lvl 4 Bahamut Coil without Full DL (Mixed of DL with Amdapor drops), much less AF2. You run Bahamut Coil to get Allaghan drop, not the other way around (Get Allaghan equivalent to run Bahamut Coil).

Some people are just dumb and always assumed the other way around. It's not how it works.
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Khornette wrote:
You need 900 Philosophy Tomestone for Relic and 900 Mythology Tomestone for Relic +1.

People already cleared 4 levels of Bahamut Coil without Full DL or Relic +1.

If people could do that, would they rather wait patiently for AF2 (cap 300 Myth Tomestone a week, a minimum 2 weeks to get 1 single piece of AF2) or Relic+1 when they can instead run for Allaghan?

Your choice. Also Allaghan = Relic +1/ AF 2.

The way it is set up, Relic +1/AF 2 is a steady but long progress to get. Allaghan is a hard but quicker progress to get because your progress through the Coil (if you cleared lvl 4, next time you pop in at lvl 5) is saved for the week and only reset (make your way up from lvl 1) when the weekly reset pop in.

Also the "guide" missed out HQ crafted.

http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/5121/2vqw.png

Tell me if your Garuda/Titan can beat that.

Edited, Sep 11th 2013 11:52pm by Khornette



Man that is whats up, im a huge fan of crafting and the whole materia melding in this game, and it nice to see you can craft some good lookin items, i am lookin forward to crafting those items. That shinny gold at the top just looks so good!

One more thing is there a chance to put a fifth materia in that Obelisk?

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I already put the last as Grade I, due to the cap and the cost of Grade IV (GI has ~13% chance to success and maximum Determination is +2 for the last slot, so no point using GIII/IV). I could have tried for more Crit Rate instead but quite frankly, it's under 10% success for the last spot and it's too much effort.
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I already put the last as Grade I, due to the cap and the cost of Grade IV (GI has ~13% chance to success and maximum Determination is +2 for the last slot, so no point using GIII/IV). I could have tried for more Crit Rate instead but quite frankly, it's under 10% success for the last spot and it's too much effort.



That pretty cool there still is a chance tho!
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Khornette wrote:
You need 900 Philosophy Tomestone for Relic and 900 Mythology Tomestone for Relic +1.

People already cleared 4 levels of Bahamut Coil without Full DL or Relic +1.

If people could do that, would they rather wait patiently for AF2 (cap 300 Myth Tomestone a week, a minimum 2 weeks to get 1 single piece of AF2) or Relic+1 when they can instead run for Allaghan?

Your choice. Also Allaghan = Relic +1/ AF 2.

The way it is set up, Relic +1/AF 2 is a steady but long progress to get. Allaghan is a hard but quicker progress to get because your progress through the Coil (if you cleared lvl 4, next time you pop in at lvl 5) is saved for the week and only reset (make your way up from lvl 1) when the weekly reset pop in.

Also the "guide" missed out HQ crafted.

http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/5121/2vqw.png

Tell me if your Garuda/Titan can beat that.

Edited, Sep 11th 2013 11:52pm by Khornette


Pretty snazzy.
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now i know some *** is rate bombing my threads.... I mean I expect that acting like Killua would warrant rate downs, but asking normal/legit questions does too? its now pretty obvious that all my posts good or bad are being targeted
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People just karma bomb what they disagree with.

I stated running Amdapor Keep is to get DL, not DL required to run AK and I get bombed. Seriously? AK drop iLvl 60, are you going to say you need iLvl 70 to farm iLvl 60 and tokens to exchange for iLvl 70? Wow. Perhaps you seriously need to check your "skill". And please, first run I did AK as DPS, I ran with GC gears and 1 piece of DL which is the gauntlet and guess what, we killed the Demon Wall at 4th Repel, plenty of time to spare. Also 19 mins run.
Also one of the two group that got up to Bahamut Coil lvl 5 is running without full DL nor Relic +1 and not a single piece of AF2, and they got Allaghan drop. The other group ran Bahamut Coil also did not had a single piece of AF 2 when they started. Whoever suggested you need AF2 to get into Bahamut Coil, please...
Some people are seriously messed up about Gear check.

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I'm sorry, but you are totally wrong on this.

You farm Castrum Meridianum, The Praetorium and Wanderer's Palace for tomes of Philosophy.
Using philosophy tomes, you buy darklight gear. (and for your relic weapon quest)

Once you have at least your 4 standard body parts in darklight gear (Head/Body/Legs/Shoes),
you then start doing Amdapor Keep, which gives tomes of Philosophy and Tomes of Mythology.
Tomes of Mythology you get are used to upgrade your AF1 gear to AF2. (and for your relic +1 quest)

You don't start doing AK off the bat, because the dungeon requires both skill/strategy know-how as well as decent gear.
If you go in with anything less than a 1/2 set of DL gear, you're only hindering the group.

A healer might be able to get away with non-DL gear, but the DPS will definitely need to be properly geared up to clear the dungeon.
ESPECIALLY at the wall.

I should know, i was a blm who went into AK with underlevelled gear, and the group couldnt get past the wall.
It was only after i ran CM numerous times to get @ least my body and shoes up to par was my group able to clear it.
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Seriously, you don't need DL to do Amdapor Keep. You only need to clear it once to get Grand Company gear iLvl 55, I ran the AK training for my FC fresh 50 and yes I do carry them over with iLvl 70 weapon and DL but if there are only 3 ppl at Demon Wall and we can still clear it (4th is newbie so they died, so? The one died is a SMN, he doesn't heal.), a decent group in AF can do it. AK is the easiest way to get Myth and that's why people farm them.

Even Titan HM is beatable with AF1, although that is very very very very very very hard to do so. There is youtube vid proof of this I think on reddit, although extremely hard to pull off since you need to Medica II between the 7-8 curb-stomps Titan do in very short time frame toward the end.

Some people must be very unskilled to go into AK with min 4 pieces of DL. I can understand if you were doing speedrun (especially the tank), but normal run... The very first AK I did with JP DF was in WAR AF with Mog Axe, pt did not have any DL and everyone was first timer (all 4 get Map Achievement at boss room) and we did it in 95 mins, so? I'm sorry but I did skip CM, WP and the like and been farming AK ever since I opened it, even did 15 mins speed run while it was an option.

Edited, Sep 23rd 2013 1:03am by Khornette
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I'm sorry, but you are totally wrong on this.

You farm Castrum Meridianum, The Praetorium and Wanderer's Palace for tomes of Philosophy.
Using philosophy tomes, you buy darklight gear. (and for your relic weapon quest)

Once you have at least your 4 standard body parts in darklight gear (Head/Body/Legs/Shoes),
you then start doing Amdapor Keep, which gives tomes of Philosophy and Tomes of Mythology.
Tomes of Mythology you get are used to upgrade your AF1 gear to AF2. (and for your relic +1 quest)

You don't start doing AK off the bat, because the dungeon requires both skill/strategy know-how as well as decent gear.
If you go in with anything less than a 1/2 set of DL gear, you're only hindering the group.

A healer might be able to get away with non-DL gear, but the DPS will definitely need to be properly geared up to clear the dungeon.
ESPECIALLY at the wall.

I should know, i was a blm who went into AK with underlevelled gear, and the group couldnt get past the wall.
It was only after i ran CM numerous times to get @ least my body and shoes up to par was my group able to clear it.


Interesting, Seeing as how I've run AK several times now as an AF1 + DL accessories (Ifrit Weapon) DRG, with a virtually matching DRG, and AF1 Healer and a PLD not much better geared than that, and we clear AK after the patch with zero issues. Perhaps y'all need to check your skill instead of checking everyone else's gear.
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Did AK this weekend with FC, had 2 whm, smn, pld, and nearly beat it. Was my first run too. I had some.DL gear, and some I55 gear. We would have won if it wasn't for my crappy internet connection (hopefully fixed now). So needing DL gear for AK isnt really true, I55 gear, and ppl that will teach and not rage over mistakes or speed helps more than gear. Yeah higher dps on wall is very nice to have, but if ppl wont teach mechanics it doesnt matter. Guides and vids only go so far you have to just keep practiceing at it. If its your first few times I would recomend running with friends or FC members that wont rage over mistakes.
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fhok wrote:
I'm sorry, but you are totally wrong on this.

You farm Castrum Meridianum, The Praetorium and Wanderer's Palace for tomes of Philosophy.
Using philosophy tomes, you buy darklight gear. (and for your relic weapon quest)

Once you have at least your 4 standard body parts in darklight gear (Head/Body/Legs/Shoes),
you then start doing Amdapor Keep, which gives tomes of Philosophy and Tomes of Mythology.
Tomes of Mythology you get are used to upgrade your AF1 gear to AF2. (and for your relic +1 quest)

You don't start doing AK off the bat, because the dungeon requires both skill/strategy know-how as well as decent gear.
If you go in with anything less than a 1/2 set of DL gear, you're only hindering the group.

A healer might be able to get away with non-DL gear, but the DPS will definitely need to be properly geared up to clear the dungeon.
ESPECIALLY at the wall.

I should know, i was a blm who went into AK with underlevelled gear, and the group couldnt get past the wall
It was only after i ran CM numerous times to get @ least my body and shoes up to par was my group able to clear it.


Absolutely incorrect.

It's easy to dismiss your argument.

What gear does AK drop? ilevel 60

How does this compare to DL gear? It's worse. Therefore, AK drops < DL gear.

This means that there are no actual pre-requisities before going into AK. The only one people have REALLY considered is Ifrit's weapon or a GC equivalent. The GC equivalent even requires an AK run and is outshined by Ifrit's. Even then, my first AK run was with mostly AF, all level 45+ trinkets, and some random level 48 weapon.

Now, of course you'll quip, "Well, you were just carried."

I have extensive parses over the course of time I've spent at 50 from start to where I am now. Not once have I ever parsed below 5% of the top DPS. All that is required for AK is a TINY gear check on Demon Wall.

He has 50k HP. He moves to the final square in around 2 minutes and 30 seconds to 3 minutes. Can you do the math?

This means you need a combined total of 333.33 DPS to kill him assuming the wall is at the final stage at 2:30 and not 3. I have never had the opportunity to see him get to the final so I am not sure about his final time.

Most fresh 50s, IF played correctly, can easily achieve 120-150 DPS on their own. On that fight, the tank usually contributes around 10% of the damage. You have two DPS that can do 150 DPS and some damage from the tank? Then you're good to go.

None of the fights require gear. What requires gear is speed running which is where DPS comes into play in AK.

I would not even recommend getting DL main parts first: I'd go with accessories unless you are planning to run coils right away. Coils are where accuracy comes into play. Outside of coils, your accuracy will always be capped at 100%. Demagogue gear favors spell speed over accuracy which is a nice benefit for running AK.

The underlined is also pretty sad. I was in the same condition as you yet we easily managed to get past demon wall. BLM DPS is almost irrelevant when you get to a certain gear level. You'll always see your parse 5% above any of the other classes besides summoner and will always be within 2% of another BLM with equal gear and skill.

This is where the 'skill' factor comes in. If you are a studious mage, you will have done your research on your way to 50. Knowing how to squeeze every cast you can out of your mana pool is going to be a problem you'll be experiencing from here on out. I've met many BLMs who have idea what I mean by AM or don't know how to use flare properly.

I will grant you one point. It is true that skill >>>> gear

However, many people do not have the skill to compensate for their gear. Yes, in this case they do need to do some prior footwork before stepping inside harder instances unless they are on the ball and know their class/job inside and out.

But, to say AK is impossible for a fresh 50 (especially BLM) is inaccurate in itself.

Edited, Sep 23rd 2013 4:48am by HitomeOfBismarck
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I will grant you one point. It is true that skill >>>> gear


In most cases that's true but I believe that a team would need a little of both to get through certain instances like Titan HM. You need the skills to dodge the avoidable attacks while you need the HP to survive the unavoidable attacks. I would love to see the ultimate brag video of a Free Company that took down Titan HM in their swim wear.

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Also the "guide" missed out HQ crafted.

http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/5121/2vqw.png

Tell me if your Garuda/Titan can beat that.

Edited, Sep 11th 2013 11:52pm by Khornette


No, but you just spent..... what? like 5 million (going price on legacy for HQ crafted) on a weapon that only beats Garuda's Beak by 18 Determination, which is the equivalent to +2.6 Str

The 2 star weapons just aren't worth the effort. If you spent the gil, it's wasted, and if you spent ToP's, you would have gotten a much larger increase from buying a darklight body or pants.

Here's a handy guide to stats:

1 Weapon Dmg = 7.4 Str/Dex
1 Str/Dex = 6.89 Determination
1 WD = 50.986 Determination

This means that, for the cost of the weapon (125 ToP * 9 = 1125 ToP) you are risking getting a NQ weapon thats 37 WD instead of 41 (HQ), a difference of 29.6 Str! That's a PRETTY BIG risk for a VERY SMALL gain.


Edited, Sep 23rd 2013 8:40am by Louiscool

Edited, Sep 23rd 2013 8:41am by Louiscool
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Louiscool wrote:
Khornette wrote:

Also the "guide" missed out HQ crafted.

http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/5121/2vqw.png

Tell me if your Garuda/Titan can beat that.

Edited, Sep 11th 2013 11:52pm by Khornette


No, but you just spent..... what? like 5 million (going price on legacy for HQ crafted) on a weapon that only beats Garuda's Beak by 18 Determination, which is the equivalent to +2.6 Str

The 2 star weapons just aren't worth the effort. If you spent the gil, it's wasted, and if you spent ToP's, you would have gotten a much larger increase from buying a darklight body or pants.

Here's a handy guide to stats:

1 Weapon Dmg = 7.4 Str/Dex
1 Str/Dex = 6.89 Determination
1 WD = 50.986 Determination

This means that, for the cost of the weapon (125 ToP * 9 = 1125 ToP) you are risking getting a NQ weapon thats 37 WD instead of 41 (HQ), a difference of 29.6 Str! That's a PRETTY BIG risk for a VERY SMALL gain.


Edited, Sep 23rd 2013 8:40am by Louiscool

Edited, Sep 23rd 2013 8:41am by Louiscool


What if you gather your own mats and farm your own high grade materia, i bet that would cut the cost down a bit.
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Louiscool wrote:
Khornette wrote:

Also the "guide" missed out HQ crafted.

http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/5121/2vqw.png

Tell me if your Garuda/Titan can beat that.

Edited, Sep 11th 2013 11:52pm by Khornette


No, but you just spent..... what? like 5 million (going price on legacy for HQ crafted) on a weapon that only beats Garuda's Beak by 18 Determination, which is the equivalent to +2.6 Str

The 2 star weapons just aren't worth the effort. If you spent the gil, it's wasted, and if you spent ToP's, you would have gotten a much larger increase from buying a darklight body or pants.

Here's a handy guide to stats:

1 Weapon Dmg = 7.4 Str/Dex
1 Str/Dex = 6.89 Determination
1 WD = 50.986 Determination

This means that, for the cost of the weapon (125 ToP * 9 = 1125 ToP) you are risking getting a NQ weapon thats 37 WD instead of 41 (HQ), a difference of 29.6 Str! That's a PRETTY BIG risk for a VERY SMALL gain.


Edited, Sep 23rd 2013 8:40am by Louiscool

Edited, Sep 23rd 2013 8:41am by Louiscool


What if you gather your own mats and farm your own high grade materia, i bet that would cut the cost down a bit.


Yeah, it's possible but the the other mats aren't the expensive parts. It's 3 Darksteel Nuggets (Hq for 2k gil each) and 1 Spruce Lumber (HQ about 3k). The issue is that you need to use 9 Cokes to make a Darksteel ingot, which can only be bought from the AH for like 100k each, or 125 Tomestones of Pihlosophy. After that, it's not an easy HQ, so you would need to be a VERY well geared Blacksmith.
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I agree with the HQ crafted items personally. I do find it interesting that people would argue against them. They are more expensive (If you buy stuffs), but they are well worth the trade-off in my opinion. Personally I plan on going 100% Darklight free (I have boycotted Darklight since day 1), and at this point I have finally finished getting all of my crafts high enough, and the gear necessary to start crafting them (I made my HDS Body this weekend), and now plan on spamming for ToP for the Coke to use on the rest of the pieces.

ToP wise, the price is comparable (gear-wise) to their Darklight equivalents, so I shouldn't spend much more time doing runs (however, any NQ version I make does mean another 11-12 runs to make an attempt at HQing it).

I am just glad that SE gave us an alternative to get something other than Darklight. Now I can't wait for the alternative to Allagan armor:P. Though I will go for the full set of Relic +1, just to keep the relic going.
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I agree with the HQ crafted items personally. I do find it interesting that people would argue against them. They are more expensive (If you buy stuffs), but they are well worth the trade-off in my opinion. Personally I plan on going 100% Darklight free (I have boycotted Darklight since day 1), and at this point I have finally finished getting all of my crafts high enough, and the gear necessary to start crafting them (I made my HDS Body this weekend), and now plan on spamming for ToP for the Coke to use on the rest of the pieces.

ToP wise, the price is comparable (gear-wise) to their Darklight equivalents, so I shouldn't spend much more time doing runs (however, any NQ version I make does mean another 11-12 runs to make an attempt at HQing it).

I am just glad that SE gave us an alternative to get something other than Darklight. Now I can't wait for the alternative to Allagan armor:P. Though I will go for the full set of Relic +1, just to keep the relic going.


No, they aren't.

If you don't HQ them, they are WORSE than Darklight in many cases. Even at hq, they are simply on-par, until you quintuple meld them, which gives them a VERY SLIGHT advantage. All this work is pointless though, because AF2 DESTROYS them. (This is coming from someone who has a quint melded Gryphonskin Tunic, full DL with Heroes Ring of Aiming, AF2 hat, and Relic bow)

Also, in many cases, it's EXTREMELY higher priced, as in the case of Gryphonskin Kecks, requiring 18 cokes! That's insane. The iLVL 70 is really in a bad spot right now, as far as tiered gear goes. If they had a higher cap on key stats, they would be useful, but right now, Body caps at +2 Str/Dex/Vit and pants hands and other slots cap at +0. This leaves Crit Chance or Determination as viable melds, Crit being the only good materia, since Det Materia is mediocre (and by this i mean the amounts you can get, determination itself is a great stat.)

I appreciate your dedication, but it's just far too much work for far too little gain. You could spend that extra time beating Titan and doing coil runs for Allagan Gear, etc.

I highly suggest you use this website before making any huge gear changes: http://valk.dancing-mad.com/?page_id=260

You can see just what % increase you'll get and can decide if the time investment is worth it.

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Louiscool wrote:
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I agree with the HQ crafted items personally. I do find it interesting that people would argue against them. They are more expensive (If you buy stuffs), but they are well worth the trade-off in my opinion. Personally I plan on going 100% Darklight free (I have boycotted Darklight since day 1), and at this point I have finally finished getting all of my crafts high enough, and the gear necessary to start crafting them (I made my HDS Body this weekend), and now plan on spamming for ToP for the Coke to use on the rest of the pieces.

ToP wise, the price is comparable (gear-wise) to their Darklight equivalents, so I shouldn't spend much more time doing runs (however, any NQ version I make does mean another 11-12 runs to make an attempt at HQing it).

I am just glad that SE gave us an alternative to get something other than Darklight. Now I can't wait for the alternative to Allagan armor:P. Though I will go for the full set of Relic +1, just to keep the relic going.


No, they aren't.

If you don't HQ them, they are WORSE than Darklight in many cases. Even at hq, they are simply on-par, until you quintuple meld them, which gives them a VERY SLIGHT advantage. All this work is pointless though, because AF2 DESTROYS them. (This is coming from someone who has a quint melded Gryphonskin Tunic, full DL with Heroes Ring of Aiming, AF2 hat, and Relic bow)

Also, in many cases, it's EXTREMELY higher priced, as in the case of Gryphonskin Kecks, requiring 18 cokes! That's insane. The iLVL 70 is really in a bad spot right now, as far as tiered gear goes. If they had a higher cap on key stats, they would be useful, but right now, Body caps at +2 Str/Dex/Vit and pants hands and other slots cap at +0. This leaves Crit Chance or Determination as viable melds, Crit being the only good materia, since Det Materia is mediocre (and by this i mean the amounts you can get, determination itself is a great stat.)

I appreciate your dedication, but it's just far too much work for far too little gain. You could spend that extra time beating Titan and doing coil runs for Allagan Gear, etc.

I highly suggest you use this website before making any huge gear changes: http://valk.dancing-mad.com/?page_id=260

You can see just what % increase you'll get and can decide if the time investment is worth it.

Edited, Sep 23rd 2013 12:27pm by Louiscool



Well in happy to know that its on par and alittle bit better with materia, im looking forward to crafting and farming the mats, honestly crafting and materia melding are my favorit part pf this game!
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Well in happy to know that its on par and alittle bit better with materia, im looking forward to crafting and farming the mats, honestly crafting and materia melding are my favorit part pf this game!


Yeah, they are absolutely better, and if you can get them with less effort, they are worthwhile. I just feel like their time cost is out of position for the benefits they offer. I bought my tunic for 250k before people realized the effort that it requires (since I'm on a legacy server, people had them from 1.0). Now I see pants selling for 6 mil, and they aren't wrong to charge that much, given the cost of 18 cokes.

But as people accrue more ToP and don't need darklight, you'll see a large increase in the availability of Cokes and other ToP items as people farm it for money. THEN the iLVL 70 items will be cost/time-efficient.

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Well in happy to know that its on par and alittle bit better with materia, im looking forward to crafting and farming the mats, honestly crafting and materia melding are my favorit part pf this game!


There's a major difference between being better, and barely better (i.e. FFXIV and most of FFXI's HQs). Your "better" is about as useful as the difference between a Scorpion Harness and +1 in FFXI during it's prime.

i.e. not worth the investment.
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IMFW wrote:
Well in happy to know that its on par and alittle bit better with materia, im looking forward to crafting and farming the mats, honestly crafting and materia melding are my favorit part pf this game!


There's a major difference between being better, and barely better (i.e. FFXIV and most of FFXI's HQs). Your "better" is about as useful as the difference between a Scorpion Harness and +1 in FFXI during it's prime.

i.e. not worth the investment.


Will good thing i find makeing gear to be really fun, so it will be worth it and i believe every stat counts!
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Also the "guide" missed out HQ crafted.

http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/5121/2vqw.png

Tell me if your Garuda/Titan can beat that.

Edited, Sep 11th 2013 11:52pm by Khornette


No, but you just spent..... what? like 5 million (going price on legacy for HQ crafted) on a weapon that only beats Garuda's Beak by 18 Determination, which is the equivalent to +2.6 Str

The 2 star weapons just aren't worth the effort. If you spent the gil, it's wasted, and if you spent ToP's, you would have gotten a much larger increase from buying a darklight body or pants.

Here's a handy guide to stats:

1 Weapon Dmg = 7.4 Str/Dex
1 Str/Dex = 6.89 Determination
1 WD = 50.986 Determination

This means that, for the cost of the weapon (125 ToP * 9 = 1125 ToP) you are risking getting a NQ weapon thats 37 WD instead of 41 (HQ), a difference of 29.6 Str! That's a PRETTY BIG risk for a VERY SMALL gain.


Edited, Sep 23rd 2013 8:40am by Louiscool

Edited, Sep 23rd 2013 8:41am by Louiscool


Nope, 595k gil :) once I got Relic and if I can sell this back for 5m I will thank you for the pointer.
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What is the name of the Myth purchasable item that we need to upgrade your relic to +1?
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Thavarian Mist.
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Thank you. I was looking in the wrong section at the Phil/Myth vendor. I was in the crafting material section.
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