Someone call the whaaambulance. Opinions wanted. lolFollow

IMHO it's just you, played WoW for awhile in the past and see alot of that attitude. So it's not really special to FFXIV.

Also some people farm primals for either tome (faster to spam primals than waiting the "reserving instance" of AK) or weapon for their other class.

I still don't know why people think this is the majority of players. I use the DF almost exclusively minus a few FC events, and I have met maybe 3 ******** since launch. I've done AK, CM, Ifrit about 80 times (***** you ACN codex that drops 9/10 times), Garuda HM, etc, and no one's ever lost it on a new player, lost their mind for someone messing something up 2-3 times. Oddly enough, those were in the earlier dungeons.

I've seen people politely point out that certain gear pieces should maybe be upgraded before trying again, or explain that Ifrit always fires off in a clockwise motion, so stop getting hit by it. Usually, it's the recipient getting all offended rather then taking it as friendly advice. Does the game have asshats? Yup. Are they the majority of people, nope. They just tend to stick out more than others, so you remember them. You rarely remember that flawless dungeon run, but you remember that one time things didn't go well.

Edited, Oct 9th 2013 10:28pm by Montsegurnephcreep

A lot of the elitism of WoW dissipated with the addition of ilvl requirements. Shouts for PUG groups almost always state a required ilvl and it's hard to achieve that wearing improper(PvP) gear. It still exists on a smaller scale if you have the correct ilvl and you're not performing as you should be, but that's to be expected.

@OP

It's not much different from XI really. Not sure if you've played lately, but if you want to join a delve group to farm for a weapon you'll be expected to already have one. This isn't new either. It was like that very shortly after people realized the potential of the weapons.

What it boils down to is people want to farm as efficiently as possible and they'd almost(unless paid) prefer overgeared groups for farming to carrying people with little to no experience. It's the same situation people run into when looking for a job in the real world. Many employers require that you have experience under your belt before they're even willing to look at you.

I will! I'll still have fun either way, people will eventually figure it out. Some fc's are doing it with 5 members (to maximize profit on their selling of wins). There's also a group who did it in Bikini...with relics and high level accessories but still. Much like Ifrit and Garuda you eventually run into 7 other people who know the fight. I know Titan is a whole other animal, but still, my point remains that win or lose through DF on Titan the minority will be the asshats.

I always laugh at the "I don't want to waste more time!" RAGE. You're playing a video game, an MMO of all things, it's precisely what you're doing.

Interesting conversation. O.o

To be fair, the off-tank should have had provoke (how could he think it was optional), and I would never start an endgame fight without researching what to expect first? He did try to be reasonable and ask questions though, the others could have been more gracious. I'd like to have seen these people do CoP.

Double post


Edited, Oct 10th 2013 4:02am by FilthMcNasty

Well the beauty of a Japanese server for me is not actually being able to read Japanese. Those shouts in town and chat in JP DF parties I get could be totally obnoxious for all I know.

Had a similiar experience in Vancouver when I lived right next to a latin family in a unit with very thin walls. They were as noisy as all hell, but I pretty much just blocked it out because I couldn't understand what they were saying.

I've found if I only have an hour or two and I want to do something productive, I should switch over to botanist and go take out some aggression on trees. I always feel better afterward.

If trees could scream, would we be so cavalier about cutting them down? Maybe we would, if they screamed all of the time, for no good reason.

It's actually not too bad on Garuda when your healers might be spamming medica for massive threat. From what I understand here, it just bumps you up one level above the person with highest threat.



Still would go with your rotation. I find lob > scorn/spirits/halone is plenty for initial threat then a combo halone will seal the deal.

Edited, Oct 10th 2013 9:53am by HitomeOfBismarck

Exactly my point, thank you.

On Garuda, you have to hold at least one sister while trying to tank the second. For this purpose, provoke is fairly useless, imo.

The main use for provoke is when the OT has to tank over MT duties when the MT dies. Other than that, it's a tiny boost that could have been better spent doing another hate combo or a flash.