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Edited, Oct 26th 2013 11:06pm by Looking4u
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Xod wrote:
Excellent. This is probably damn early...but do you guys think this game will have the same (if not longer) lifespan than FFXI?
No. The game is (very) monotone. But maybe that will change. There`s no chatting in random fate-parties. Even doing dungeons in DF (duty finder) The community isnt like it used to be. Most ppl outside your LS/FC are really rude. Its sad but true but the comminuty really sux.
Releaser wrote:
One thing to note, you can get one job to max level with a combination of quests, Hunting Logs, and FATEs but levelling subsequent jobs is a real pain in the ***** Depending on your job choice you could spend over an hour to queue for an instance that will yield you around a third of a level and chasing FATEs around zones and spamming abilities on mobs that often don't even appear on your screen gets old very fast.
Well, I took 2 jobs to 50 practically without "grinding", because, well, I always did levequests when I simply wanted to relax and not communicate with other people.
I never-ever, not even once, joined a FATE party.
I think Yoshi never "intended" people to chase after fates; I always joined them whenever one popped right next to me on the map, and that's it.
In between levequests and dungeon runs, that always pulled me over to the next level before I realized I was closing in on the threshold.
It may not have been the "ultimate most efficient" EXP strategy, but I always managed to get about 1 level per job per day @40+.
And that was enough for me.
Archmage Callinon wrote:
UltKnightGrover wrote:
I'd have to say my biggest favorite thing about FFXIV compared to XI is no mid-battle gear swapping. You have your gear and after that the fights are dependent on your skill, dodging ability, and memorization of the terrain mechanics (assuming your gear is good enough to do/take necessary damage). Not swapping into STR/DEX gear for one move and then INT gear for another.
Edited, Oct 26th 2013 5:06pm by UltKnightGrover
Edited, Oct 26th 2013 5:06pm by UltKnightGrover
I was happier than I thought I should be when I realized that XIV wouldn't have that .. ahem .. "feature" in it.
I tried to go back to FFXI after several years of not playing it. And the one thing that reached up and punched me right in the nose was the fact that I had absolutely no clue on the entire planet how my gear swapping was supposed to be set up anymore. I knew when I was playing actively... but not several years later. And it isn't exactly intuitive.
For someone like me that was a dealbreaker for returning to FFXI, because I knew I would probably never be able to perform to my potential with even the gear that I had (which was 24 levels out of date of course).
With XIV or WoW or SWTOR or whatever, all I really need to do is sit down for a little while and read tooltips. I quit SWTOR after 2 months. I'm 100% sure I could pick that game back up and be doing just fine again within an hour. FFXI? Definitely not.
99% of pre-SoA gear got replaced with the stuff from Delve/Skirmish II anyway. The Delve gear is pretty hard to get, but Skirmish gear is faceroll easy. They even added a means of finishing sets for that one piece that never drops, which means you'll be done in 3 months instead of a year. And everyone walks away with something.
Chiem wrote:
Xod wrote:
Excellent. This is probably damn early...but do you guys think this game will have the same (if not longer) lifespan than FFXI?
No. The game is (very) monotone. But maybe that will change. There`s no chatting in random fate-parties. Even doing dungeons in DF (duty finder) The community isnt like it used to be. Most ppl outside your LS/FC are really rude. Its sad but true but the comminuty really sux.
I started playing last night, and I thought the game was anything BUT monotone. I was a bit worried that there wasn't much chatter, but Gilgamesh as a server is highly populated so I'm sure that will change.
Otherwise, I see a ton of people running around doing things, whether it's crafting or battling. I'd say it's a thriving (albeit admittedly quiet) community. I think that will change.
Xod wrote:
Chiem wrote:
Xod wrote:
Excellent. This is probably damn early...but do you guys think this game will have the same (if not longer) lifespan than FFXI?
No. The game is (very) monotone. But maybe that will change. There`s no chatting in random fate-parties. Even doing dungeons in DF (duty finder) The community isnt like it used to be. Most ppl outside your LS/FC are really rude. Its sad but true but the comminuty really sux.
I started playing last night, and I thought the game was anything BUT monotone. I was a bit worried that there wasn't much chatter, but Gilgamesh as a server is highly populated so I'm sure that will change.
Otherwise, I see a ton of people running around doing things, whether it's crafting or battling. I'd say it's a thriving (albeit admittedly quiet) community. I think that will change.
Conversation is what you make of it. Too quiet? Say something. If someone responds, cool. If not, don't take it personally. The nature of combat can make it difficult to carry out deep conversations mid-battle. When it comes to FATE groups, you'll have time during lulls to jabber. People might not talk so much in dungeons, but part of that is due to lacking cross-realm friending and other interaction options.
Pretty much any con someone could bring up about the community I would say exists in every MMO, as people are people. It just gets annoying when they try to pass off their old game of choice as being superior because they're likely comparing a more completed experience to one that's still in its formative stages.
I'll be bold and say ARR is better than XI. It's not just an apple and oranges thing, but I see both more potential and less of that clinginess of what XI "used to be" when people try to defend features that inevitably made XI less appealing and more of a niche game. However, if I were to give one strike to XIV at the moment, it'd be that the genre doesn't need yet another dungeon spammer MMO.
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Seriha wrote:
Conversation is what you make of it. Too quiet? Say something. If someone responds, cool. If not, don't take it personally. The nature of combat can make it difficult to carry out deep conversations mid-battle. When it comes to FATE groups, you'll have time during lulls to jabber. People might not talk so much in dungeons, but part of that is due to lacking cross-realm friending and other interaction options.
Pretty much any con someone could bring up about the community I would say exists in every MMO, as people are people. It just gets annoying when they try to pass off their old game of choice as being superior because they're likely comparing a more completed experience to one that's still in its formative stages.
I'll be bold and say ARR is better than XI. It's not just an apple and oranges thing, but I see both more potential and less of that clinginess of what XI "used to be" when people try to defend features that inevitably made XI less appealing and more of a niche game. However, if I were to give one strike to XIV at the moment, it'd be that the genre doesn't need yet another dungeon spammer MMO.
Yeah on the communication thing, I'll say this. Xi made you communicate and XIV doesn't at all times. Does that make XI better? NO, we all work around others at our jobs, but that doesn't equate to forming strong bonds with others. You can even talk in dungeons in XIV as I always do. You just can't write 10 sentences in between attack rounds.
They should make Guildhests work just like experience parties and dare I say it Abyssea(minus the overpowering buffs). Guildhest are to similar to bcnms as of now. Fates provide that open world experience, but in most cases you don't have to be in a party to do it. Guildhests simulating the experience point party with set amount of entries. Would be a way for fans of the old school grinders to get their short but not kill all other xp avenues fix. Some for light party, full party, alliance.
I'll be bold and say ARR is not better than XI. The potential is there, but potential means nothing here and now. That said, ARR is more Final Fantasy than XI ever was. It just lacks the open world grouping stuff, that jrpg fans have been used to since as far as I can remember. Final Fantasy is a dungeon spammer, the entire series is. Yeah, you level up and travel in the open world, but the dungeons is where most of the big event things happen.
ARR can be better than XI, ever was because it is a modern mmo. How much better depends on Yoshi. He has the basics down. But he needs to throw caution to the wind here and there to make this game stand out to draw in from a larger crowd. The instances provided are merited. But we need more open ended stuff.
The core game is solid, but it needs to be fleshed out and more content introduced. As it is now the game feels extremely bare but I think it has massive potential. Will just have to wait and see.
The atmosphere and feel of the world is absolutely awesome though. There is no doubt that this is a Final Fantasy game.
The atmosphere and feel of the world is absolutely awesome though. There is no doubt that this is a Final Fantasy game.
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/1053318/
I just wanted to elaborate on my ARR comment about being a dungeon spammer. It wasn't intended to sound negative. The mmos that became that way might have looked at the Final Fantasy series for that motivation. It's no wonder they are so main stream now. That is one of the things that struck me as odd. XI was pretty different from what I consider a normal Final Fantasy.
As a CNJ I'd like to toss in that even taking the three seconds to say "adds" during a boss fight is three seconds in which the tank doesn't have someone cure spamming him.
I need to make a macro that says "help help, the adds are on me" so I can smack that during combat.
I need to make a macro that says "help help, the adds are on me" so I can smack that during combat.
sandpark wrote:
I just wanted to elaborate on my ARR comment about being a dungeon spammer. It wasn't intended to sound negative. The mmos that became that way might have looked at the Final Fantasy series for that motivation. It's no wonder they are so main stream now. That is one of the things that struck me as odd. XI was pretty different from what I consider a normal Final Fantasy.
FFXI had a ton of dungeons, they were just open world dungeons like in all the offline ff games. I wish in up coming patches they add in open world dungeons so I have some dangerous place to explore
domice wrote:
sandpark wrote:
I just wanted to elaborate on my ARR comment about being a dungeon spammer. It wasn't intended to sound negative. The mmos that became that way might have looked at the Final Fantasy series for that motivation. It's no wonder they are so main stream now. That is one of the things that struck me as odd. XI was pretty different from what I consider a normal Final Fantasy.
FFXI had a ton of dungeons, they were just open world dungeons like in all the offline ff games. I wish in up coming patches they add in open world dungeons so I have some dangerous place to explore
Some of the beastman areas act like open world dungeons. (Kobold underground weee!) Also all the Imperial outposts.
A dungeon in XI was simply an area that was primarily underground (makes sense.) Dungeons in XIV are not limited to that, and simply have specific objectives.
One thing I don't miss from the dungeons in XI? The ******* Banishing Gates, and the switch gates in Eldieme Necropolis. The latter is a thorn in our side to this day. (I'm level 99 and I still need a buddy in a level 50 dungeon? Grrrr.) The former finally had a workaround by going through it in the past, but it's an awful lot of running around.
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Xod wrote:
Chiem wrote:
Xod wrote:
Excellent. This is probably damn early...but do you guys think this game will have the same (if not longer) lifespan than FFXI?
No. The game is (very) monotone. But maybe that will change. There`s no chatting in random fate-parties. Even doing dungeons in DF (duty finder) The community isnt like it used to be. Most ppl outside your LS/FC are really rude. Its sad but true but the comminuty really sux.
I started playing last night, and I thought the game was anything BUT monotone. I was a bit worried that there wasn't much chatter, but Gilgamesh as a server is highly populated so I'm sure that will change.
Otherwise, I see a ton of people running around doing things, whether it's crafting or battling. I'd say it's a thriving (albeit admittedly quiet) community. I think that will change.
OMG lol. Not troll or anything. You just started to play and you think Im wrong after playing for nearly 2 months (2.0) and almost 18 months (1.0).
It is monotone. The comminuty is bad. Trust me. There are several threads about it. All these ppl are wrong and you after 1 day.....proofs my point alrdy I think.
XIV is so far from what XI is/was that it's hard to make a comparison. Even for those who think that XIV is a better game, it's hard to find anything that makes XIV unique that wasn't actually borrowed from FFXI. Almost everything else, some of which I like and dislike, came from other games. I guess I just have a hard time trying to justify praise for a game that took key features from other games.
It just seems really odd to me that they didn't start with taking their own previous ideas from XI and just expand them or update them for XIV. You can use similar mechanics without making it FFXI-2.
Edited, Oct 28th 2013 4:58am by FilthMcNasty
It just seems really odd to me that they didn't start with taking their own previous ideas from XI and just expand them or update them for XIV. You can use similar mechanics without making it FFXI-2.
Edited, Oct 28th 2013 4:58am by FilthMcNasty
Rinsui wrote:
Only hips + boobs all day and hips + boobs all over my icecream
HaibaneRenmei wrote:
30 bucks is almost free
cocodojo wrote:
Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
Used to always think XI would definitely outlast XIV... But they've kinda started ruining XI with their whole Delve stuff too...
Either way. Important points.
Gameplay wise its pretty similar in fun, i might even lean to XIV being a little bit more fun due to combat mechanics and the atmosphere of the really well-designed and packed full area's. About up to the point where it comes to (needless) endgame grinding, then XI still wins out a lot. XIV's endgame is pure and absolute toxic horror. I've never seen a crowd of people so unfriendly and *******
XIV also doesnt have anywhere near the community that XI does. There's no talking, there's no socializing, it's RUSH RUSH RUSH to level, craft or do whatever, followed by MOAN MOAN MOAN when they get into dungeons. Sure, people help each other every now and then, but there's no discussions, no talking, nothing. It's people keeping to themselves and complaining when they have to forcefully work together with other people who aren't geared in +1 gear or are wearing rediculously over-leveled items (ilvl 80-90 items and relic weapons in a dungeon where level 40-50 (artifact) gear would be more than enough). Only talking you ever do is when you're looking to fill up your 8-man party for Chimera or Hydra where you cannot use the duty-finder, only then will people maybe say something, ofcourse it can still be "what's taking so long"...
Lets just say that XIV would have been a really good single-player game with NPC's you can hire instead. It just doesnt work with a lot of people playing it.
Dont get me wrong, i like the game. I really do. But a gaming-strategy for a company should never be to make a game that mixes both Hardcore things with Casual things. It just doesnt combine well. The hardcore people are just going to bully away all the other people eventually who just want to have some fun on the game. :/
Play it. If you dont mind seeing 12-year old's with Call-of-Duty-like tantrums exploding at you for not knowing absolutely everything about the game and it's dungeons on your first time there in the 30 days this game is old now, great. If you do object to that a little, i'd honestly have to say it's probably best if you stayed away or came back later when they have more diverse content to run through. Or rather, when all the elitist *********** have moved on to the next game to ruin.
Either way. Important points.
Gameplay wise its pretty similar in fun, i might even lean to XIV being a little bit more fun due to combat mechanics and the atmosphere of the really well-designed and packed full area's. About up to the point where it comes to (needless) endgame grinding, then XI still wins out a lot. XIV's endgame is pure and absolute toxic horror. I've never seen a crowd of people so unfriendly and *******
XIV also doesnt have anywhere near the community that XI does. There's no talking, there's no socializing, it's RUSH RUSH RUSH to level, craft or do whatever, followed by MOAN MOAN MOAN when they get into dungeons. Sure, people help each other every now and then, but there's no discussions, no talking, nothing. It's people keeping to themselves and complaining when they have to forcefully work together with other people who aren't geared in +1 gear or are wearing rediculously over-leveled items (ilvl 80-90 items and relic weapons in a dungeon where level 40-50 (artifact) gear would be more than enough). Only talking you ever do is when you're looking to fill up your 8-man party for Chimera or Hydra where you cannot use the duty-finder, only then will people maybe say something, ofcourse it can still be "what's taking so long"...
Lets just say that XIV would have been a really good single-player game with NPC's you can hire instead. It just doesnt work with a lot of people playing it.
Dont get me wrong, i like the game. I really do. But a gaming-strategy for a company should never be to make a game that mixes both Hardcore things with Casual things. It just doesnt combine well. The hardcore people are just going to bully away all the other people eventually who just want to have some fun on the game. :/
Play it. If you dont mind seeing 12-year old's with Call-of-Duty-like tantrums exploding at you for not knowing absolutely everything about the game and it's dungeons on your first time there in the 30 days this game is old now, great. If you do object to that a little, i'd honestly have to say it's probably best if you stayed away or came back later when they have more diverse content to run through. Or rather, when all the elitist *********** have moved on to the next game to ruin.
[XI] Surivere of Valefor
[XIV] Sir Surian Bedivere of Behemoth
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/2401553/
[XIV] Sir Surian Bedivere of Behemoth
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/2401553/
Xod wrote:
As the title suggests, I'm an old FFXI player (Xodious from Bismark) looking to jump to FFXIV: ARR. I've seen great reviews and heard good things about the game....I guess I'm just wondering...
-How is it compared to Final Fantasy XI? (I don't anticipate that it's a carbon-copy of the game, nor do I want it to be. Just looking to see if there's some common ground between the two.)
-Is leveling solo-friendly?
-Is making gil a constant grind?
-What's the endgame scene like?
-How is it compared to Final Fantasy XI? (I don't anticipate that it's a carbon-copy of the game, nor do I want it to be. Just looking to see if there's some common ground between the two.)
-Is leveling solo-friendly?
-Is making gil a constant grind?
-What's the endgame scene like?
There are two distinct modes.
In the beginning, you can do story quests and net enough gil and items to get you all the way through, and do it on your time. Crafting is a bit harder starting off, since as you level crafts you get skills that help you level other crafts faster. Use your leve allowance on crafting. It has the best exp gain per capita. Dungeons are medium difficulty, and the mechanics are relatively forgiving and simple.
And then you get to 50.
Endgame is much different. No more story quest to give you free items and money. You want to level a second battle class to 50, you can get a level per 10 off of the hunting log, maybe a level if you grind dungeons, but the fastest way is to participate in the constant FATE grind. Crafting is easier once you get Carpenter, Weaver, or Goldsmith to 50. Plus this can net you some money. Getting a gathering class up there is really nice. You can make pretty decent money selling level 1 crystals that you harvest (30-70 gil per crystal)
But once you get to 50, get used to not gaining exp. I've probably killed more enemies at 50 than I had on the way to 50. You start the relic weapon quest, fight the primal HM battles, and speed run the same two dungeons over and over to get things called tomes which buy your endgame gear. There is 50-55 dungeon gear, then 70 darklight gear from philosophy tomes, then level 90 AF2 gear from mythology tomes (that are capped at 300 per week when the cheapest gear costs 375 and you get 40 per dungeon run), then level 90 Allgan gear you get from running the final Bahamut's Coil dungeon (split into four progressive parts that lock you in once you beat them, and reset every week to limit the chances at the gear you can earn).
So if you are lookign for a laid back experience, you can level solo at a much faster pace than in FFXI. Basically, take the xp that you made chaining monsters in FFXI in a party of 6 (200-300 per mob) and that's what you make killing same level (even match) monsters in FFXIV. But you can make 5-10k doing a FATE in just a few minutes, if you dont mind waiting 5-10 minutes for each FATE to pop.
But if you want some ball busting unforgiving action combat, the end game is no joke and will punish you if you are unprepared. Or at least until they nerf the content in the next major patch (2.1)
Edited, Oct 28th 2013 4:31pm by Valkayree
Xod wrote:
I started playing last night, and I thought the game was anything BUT monotone. I was a bit worried that there wasn't much chatter, but Gilgamesh as a server is highly populated so I'm sure that will change.
Otherwise, I see a ton of people running around doing things, whether it's crafting or battling. I'd say it's a thriving (albeit admittedly quiet) community. I think that will change.
Oh, I should mention that - FFXIV has a much stronger Roleplaying community. So much that it has two servers running strong with good RP groups. I RP on one of them, Balmung.
Xod, you should be informed that you are on a Role-playing Server, you will quite possibly encounter people role-playing out in the open, or privately in your travels.
I cite this is a profound positive for any community, as role-players tend to generate more player-made content than any other kind of player out there. This will be a source of entertainment and socializing for you, participating in it or not.
If such things interest you I can direct you to another community site tailored specifically for role-players of FFXIV. Now while there's sometimes a bit of drama (due to each person being personally invested in the world and their characters) These are some of the most outgoing and kind people you'll meet otherwise. They care about the game, and the world it makes for them. If anyone can show you around and how to have a good time in Eorzea, it's them.
RPing actually has intrigued me a bit. I tried to get a linkshell started in XI for that sole purpose, but I couldn't get anyone to join. You say Balmung has a good community? I'm thinking of jumping to that server.
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Dont get me wrong, i like the game. I really do. But a gaming-strategy for a company should never be to make a game that mixes both Hardcore things with Casual things. It just doesnt combine well. The hardcore people are just going to bully away all the other people eventually who just want to have some fun on the game. :/
Play it. If you dont mind seeing 12-year old's with Call-of-Duty-like tantrums exploding at you for not knowing absolutely everything about the game and it's dungeons on your first time there in the 30 days this game is old now, great. If you do object to that a little, i'd honestly have to say it's probably best if you stayed away or came back later when they have more diverse content to run through. Or rather, when all the elitist *********** have moved on to the next game to ruin.
Play it. If you dont mind seeing 12-year old's with Call-of-Duty-like tantrums exploding at you for not knowing absolutely everything about the game and it's dungeons on your first time there in the 30 days this game is old now, great. If you do object to that a little, i'd honestly have to say it's probably best if you stayed away or came back later when they have more diverse content to run through. Or rather, when all the elitist *********** have moved on to the next game to ruin.
I've played FFXI since the PS2 release, and I have seen similar behavior there. I would argue that every MMORPG sees it, especially when it's so new like FFXIV is. Once things settle and people choose to stay or go after the 30-day free period, things will get better.
Xod wrote:
RPing actually has intrigued me a bit. I tried to get a linkshell started in XI for that sole purpose, but I couldn't get anyone to join. You say Balmung has a good community? I'm thinking of jumping to that server.
Gilgamesh is the other Roleplay server, so you don't have to jump if you do not want to.
But, if you want to come over to Balmung, we'll be glad to have you.
I currently have 3 characters I'm working on. My primary, Eric, I started there while I was waiting for transfers to open up. Lin is my Legacy character and still my favorite.
And of course there is Hyrist, cause, you know, it's me.
I'm working so I can have one tank, one Healer, and one DD on Eric so he can help out with anyone that needs it. Lin and Hyrist will be tailored to their In Character personalities.
And yes, I roleplay with all 3, to varying degrees depending on who's on when I am.
KojiroSoma wrote:
Dont get me wrong, i like the game. I really do. But a gaming-strategy for a company should never be to make a game that mixes both Hardcore things with Casual things. It just doesnt combine well. The hardcore people are just going to bully away all the other people eventually who just want to have some fun on the game. :/
Play it. If you dont mind seeing 12-year old's with Call-of-Duty-like tantrums exploding at you for not knowing absolutely everything about the game and it's dungeons on your first time there in the 30 days this game is old now, great. If you do object to that a little, i'd honestly have to say it's probably best if you stayed away or came back later when they have more diverse content to run through. Or rather, when all the elitist *********** have moved on to the next game to ruin.
Play it. If you dont mind seeing 12-year old's with Call-of-Duty-like tantrums exploding at you for not knowing absolutely everything about the game and it's dungeons on your first time there in the 30 days this game is old now, great. If you do object to that a little, i'd honestly have to say it's probably best if you stayed away or came back later when they have more diverse content to run through. Or rather, when all the elitist *********** have moved on to the next game to ruin.
There are several games that have no issues blending casual and hardcore elements. SE didn't really set a solid enough foundation before trying to erect(giggety) their mechanics framework. I think the issue is more that people have the expectation that if you're going to consume the time of 3 or more others, you at least have enough knowledge to make the best use of that time. Seems fair to me...
You don't have to know everything about the game, but spending a few minutes reading up on the mechanics of an instance you intend to succeed in really isn't that much to ask. It would solve most of the drama problems. It's just as easily argued that the people who are too lazy to do a few minutes of research to save the time of the whole group are the '*************
Rinsui wrote:
Only hips + boobs all day and hips + boobs all over my icecream
HaibaneRenmei wrote:
30 bucks is almost free
cocodojo wrote:
Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
Xod wrote:
As the title suggests, I'm an old FFXI player (Xodious from Bismark) looking to jump to FFXIV: ARR. I've seen great reviews and heard good things about the game....I guess I'm just wondering...
-How is it compared to Final Fantasy XI? (I don't anticipate that it's a carbon-copy of the game, nor do I want it to be. Just looking to see if there's some common ground between the two.)
-Is leveling solo-friendly?
-Is making gil a constant grind?
-What's the endgame scene like?
-How is it compared to Final Fantasy XI? (I don't anticipate that it's a carbon-copy of the game, nor do I want it to be. Just looking to see if there's some common ground between the two.)
-Is leveling solo-friendly?
-Is making gil a constant grind?
-What's the endgame scene like?
Compared the XI, depends on what years you come from. If you’re before they started trying to clone wow it’s totally different. You get automatic skills for weapons and powers. Weapon skill are spam able and you. They have gimped you that you’re unable to have all of the powers you have subbed like in FFXI. You will never see a WHM running around with a Carbuncle. They have gimped a lot of roles PLD being one that seems weird. I will say PLD seems more like a thief then a PLD.
It’s very solo friendly and soloing can be very addicting.
Making gil is harder than FFXI.
Endgame at the moment is god awful. If you do decide to play the game take your time leveling slowly. The community now is very mean and they seem to attack other players then teaching each other. I find it mostly because of the game being very solo oriented. Most players have no empathy towards each other.
Well as I come from FFXI..
At first I thought this game was way better but the more I play it turns out it is not.
The thing is this game is new and is not as polished as FFXI. (this will get better in time)
The worlds dont feel as scary and it does not feel as adventurous as when I first started FFXI.. You simply out run mobs, no sneak and invis.
The biggest problem right now is some of the people.. Most of the people that still play FFXI do for the love of the game and most of the scum left the game along time ago.. This game is loaded with trolls right now and maybe some bored people. (This will change as the game ages.)
The combat system is horrible compared to ffxi.
The economy is horrible, the fact they show everything that is for-sale most things sell for less then you can npc them for, everyone just undercuts.. But then gil is not really not needed much yet. (Really bring back the AH house, it worked well)
That said the game does allot of things better too..
The quest are much better and the fact you can level though them
..
Some dont like the duty finder but so far it is easier that shouting for 4 hours for a pic up party.
Crafting is actually fun.
Graphically it is awsum.
Best of all you rarely need a wiki for this game, it helps you along much more.
I have not got to end game yet so not much too comment there but it sounds like getting a party together is frustrating for allot of people.
I thought this game was more for casual gamer and it seems that is what allot of people are that play it .. if end game is too hard they will loose allot of their core players. I am one of those people that came to this game because I simply didn't have the hours to put into a game like I did FFXI.. If I start to feel like I got left behind because everyone got through it and dont want to do old content like what happened in FFXI.
Hopefully after some time they iron some of the issues out because it could be better than FFXI.... It would not take much
Edited, Oct 30th 2013 2:24pm by Nashred
At first I thought this game was way better but the more I play it turns out it is not.
The thing is this game is new and is not as polished as FFXI. (this will get better in time)
The worlds dont feel as scary and it does not feel as adventurous as when I first started FFXI.. You simply out run mobs, no sneak and invis.
The biggest problem right now is some of the people.. Most of the people that still play FFXI do for the love of the game and most of the scum left the game along time ago.. This game is loaded with trolls right now and maybe some bored people. (This will change as the game ages.)
The combat system is horrible compared to ffxi.
The economy is horrible, the fact they show everything that is for-sale most things sell for less then you can npc them for, everyone just undercuts.. But then gil is not really not needed much yet. (Really bring back the AH house, it worked well)
That said the game does allot of things better too..
The quest are much better and the fact you can level though them
..
Some dont like the duty finder but so far it is easier that shouting for 4 hours for a pic up party.
Crafting is actually fun.
Graphically it is awsum.
Best of all you rarely need a wiki for this game, it helps you along much more.
I have not got to end game yet so not much too comment there but it sounds like getting a party together is frustrating for allot of people.
I thought this game was more for casual gamer and it seems that is what allot of people are that play it .. if end game is too hard they will loose allot of their core players. I am one of those people that came to this game because I simply didn't have the hours to put into a game like I did FFXI.. If I start to feel like I got left behind because everyone got through it and dont want to do old content like what happened in FFXI.
Hopefully after some time they iron some of the issues out because it could be better than FFXI.... It would not take much
Edited, Oct 30th 2013 2:24pm by Nashred
FFXI: Nashred
Server: Phoenix
FFXIV : Sir Nashred
server: Ultros
Server: Phoenix
FFXIV : Sir Nashred
server: Ultros
KojiroSoma wrote:
Used to always think XI would definitely outlast XIV... But they've kinda started ruining XI with their whole Delve stuff too...
Either way. Important points.
Gameplay wise its pretty similar in fun, i might even lean to XIV being a little bit more fun due to combat mechanics and the atmosphere of the really well-designed and packed full area's. About up to the point where it comes to (needless) endgame grinding, then XI still wins out a lot. XIV's endgame is pure and absolute toxic horror. I've never seen a crowd of people so unfriendly and *******
XIV also doesnt have anywhere near the community that XI does. There's no talking, there's no socializing, it's RUSH RUSH RUSH to level, craft or do whatever, followed by MOAN MOAN MOAN when they get into dungeons. Sure, people help each other every now and then, but there's no discussions, no talking, nothing. It's people keeping to themselves and complaining when they have to forcefully work together with other people who aren't geared in +1 gear or are wearing rediculously over-leveled items (ilvl 80-90 items and relic weapons in a dungeon where level 40-50 (artifact) gear would be more than enough). Only talking you ever do is when you're looking to fill up your 8-man party for Chimera or Hydra where you cannot use the duty-finder, only then will people maybe say something, ofcourse it can still be "what's taking so long"...
Lets just say that XIV would have been a really good single-player game with NPC's you can hire instead. It just doesnt work with a lot of people playing it.
Dont get me wrong, i like the game. I really do. But a gaming-strategy for a company should never be to make a game that mixes both Hardcore things with Casual things. It just doesnt combine well. The hardcore people are just going to bully away all the other people eventually who just want to have some fun on the game. :/
Play it. If you dont mind seeing 12-year old's with Call-of-Duty-like tantrums exploding at you for not knowing absolutely everything about the game and it's dungeons on your first time there in the 30 days this game is old now, great. If you do object to that a little, i'd honestly have to say it's probably best if you stayed away or came back later when they have more diverse content to run through. Or rather, when all the elitist *********** have moved on to the next game to ruin.
Either way. Important points.
Gameplay wise its pretty similar in fun, i might even lean to XIV being a little bit more fun due to combat mechanics and the atmosphere of the really well-designed and packed full area's. About up to the point where it comes to (needless) endgame grinding, then XI still wins out a lot. XIV's endgame is pure and absolute toxic horror. I've never seen a crowd of people so unfriendly and *******
XIV also doesnt have anywhere near the community that XI does. There's no talking, there's no socializing, it's RUSH RUSH RUSH to level, craft or do whatever, followed by MOAN MOAN MOAN when they get into dungeons. Sure, people help each other every now and then, but there's no discussions, no talking, nothing. It's people keeping to themselves and complaining when they have to forcefully work together with other people who aren't geared in +1 gear or are wearing rediculously over-leveled items (ilvl 80-90 items and relic weapons in a dungeon where level 40-50 (artifact) gear would be more than enough). Only talking you ever do is when you're looking to fill up your 8-man party for Chimera or Hydra where you cannot use the duty-finder, only then will people maybe say something, ofcourse it can still be "what's taking so long"...
Lets just say that XIV would have been a really good single-player game with NPC's you can hire instead. It just doesnt work with a lot of people playing it.
Dont get me wrong, i like the game. I really do. But a gaming-strategy for a company should never be to make a game that mixes both Hardcore things with Casual things. It just doesnt combine well. The hardcore people are just going to bully away all the other people eventually who just want to have some fun on the game. :/
Play it. If you dont mind seeing 12-year old's with Call-of-Duty-like tantrums exploding at you for not knowing absolutely everything about the game and it's dungeons on your first time there in the 30 days this game is old now, great. If you do object to that a little, i'd honestly have to say it's probably best if you stayed away or came back later when they have more diverse content to run through. Or rather, when all the elitist *********** have moved on to the next game to ruin.
Yea that is what worries me... I am not too end game yet. Work has me on a short leash.. Hopefully a good free company or ls can help out members. I use the ZAM ultros FC now.. I have not need them much or got involved. I want too, just time has been limited.. I am always willing to help others.. Anyone who knows me from FFXI knows I helped out as much as I could.
So far thing have been easy for me though.. I watch videos before doing ifrit and Titan and some dungeons and dont go in blindly.. Probably comes from so much FFXI and having to research everything.
I agree hardcore and casual dont mix very often but if done right it could. You just have to give the casual another way or option through.
Edited, Oct 30th 2013 2:39pm by Nashred
FFXI: Nashred
Server: Phoenix
FFXIV : Sir Nashred
server: Ultros
Server: Phoenix
FFXIV : Sir Nashred
server: Ultros
Here is a short and sweet version:
1) Get on the Zam server
2) Join their FC or another new player friendly one (all should be, they were all new...)
3) You have the game, play and see for yourself. I would expect to pay for two or three months before you decide if this game is really for you.
On 3: You will level fast, you will get good gear fast, you will get gil fast. You will see a lot of the towns and scenery within a short period of time and experience the world for what it is fairly quick. As many have said, its not like FFXI. Its faster and more casual friendly but has its chances to grind. Its also not too expensive for the type of game and quality it is. IMO
1) Get on the Zam server
2) Join their FC or another new player friendly one (all should be, they were all new...)
3) You have the game, play and see for yourself. I would expect to pay for two or three months before you decide if this game is really for you.
On 3: You will level fast, you will get good gear fast, you will get gil fast. You will see a lot of the towns and scenery within a short period of time and experience the world for what it is fairly quick. As many have said, its not like FFXI. Its faster and more casual friendly but has its chances to grind. Its also not too expensive for the type of game and quality it is. IMO
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