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Dual wield shields!
KojiroSoma wrote:
For my titan i was tanking, so my weapon (D37 Guild sword by the way) was pretty irrelevant as long as i simply stayed light on my feet and spammed my enmity moves.
I can understand the aspect of needing a specific weapon for a DPS class so you can do enough damage during the course of a battle not to time out on a heart or on spikes or whatever needs to be killed during a brief span of time, but for a healer or a tank, such a thing is rediculous.
Do people even know what they're talking about or what they're requesting? As a mediocre tank, you'd have what? 300 attack? while a damage dealer easily has 400-450 before their abilities kick in too?
Every 7.4 points of STR equal a 1 damage increase in your base weapon damage. So you'd basicly be willing to kick a tank, or replace one, with all the defense and hp needed for the fight just because of 8 STR? Attack power is mostly irrelevant for a tank if they can keep hate. They really wont be contributing towards the damage aspect of the fight anyhow. And if Relic+1 people are unloading on something, believe me, 2-3 points of weapon damage for a tank wont mean anything. If hate gets torn off a tank with a D37 weapon, it's going to get torn off him with a D39, D41 or even D43 weapon. It's more of an ability timing thing.
I can understand the aspect of needing a specific weapon for a DPS class so you can do enough damage during the course of a battle not to time out on a heart or on spikes or whatever needs to be killed during a brief span of time, but for a healer or a tank, such a thing is rediculous.
Do people even know what they're talking about or what they're requesting? As a mediocre tank, you'd have what? 300 attack? while a damage dealer easily has 400-450 before their abilities kick in too?
Every 7.4 points of STR equal a 1 damage increase in your base weapon damage. So you'd basicly be willing to kick a tank, or replace one, with all the defense and hp needed for the fight just because of 8 STR? Attack power is mostly irrelevant for a tank if they can keep hate. They really wont be contributing towards the damage aspect of the fight anyhow. And if Relic+1 people are unloading on something, believe me, 2-3 points of weapon damage for a tank wont mean anything. If hate gets torn off a tank with a D37 weapon, it's going to get torn off him with a D39, D41 or even D43 weapon. It's more of an ability timing thing.
The extra damage from the tank and does help hold hate and makes fight go faster. And the main thing when I'm on my relic drg and the tank is a relic as well I can go all out start to finish when the tank is non relic I have to hold off to let the task build hate so we don't have the mob waking around everywhere. There is a big difference
Rinsui wrote:
If there was no iLV 50+ gear, people would eventually learn to play good enough to beat both WP and AK without.
It's sad when people start to believe they can only beat a challenge once they have accumulated enough gear to make the challenge irrelevant.
It's sad when people start to believe they can only beat a challenge once they have accumulated enough gear to make the challenge irrelevant.
I don't think it's a thing about not being able to beat it but the time it takes to beat it, for a af geared party you can easily spend up to a hour plus in ak and for some people that's just unacceptable.
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for a af geared party you can easily spend up to a hour plus in ak and for some people that's just unacceptable.
"Unacceptable" is a funny word when used in this context.
People who want speed runs shouldn't use the DF. They should get a group of other people, do their little gear checks and then do their speed runs. This way, they also don't have to throw hissy fits when the DF groups them with first-timers.
It all comes down to being a prick vs. not being a prick. You can make an unpopular decision without being a prick about it.
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Totally agree with everything said! But honestly it doesn't matter much because the servers are kinda bare (Asura has 1k at peak times otherwise it sits at 8-900). But thank you for clearing up my vision of endgame. Because honestly it looks like fun and not completely demanding as XI was.
Catwho wrote:
Dual wield shields!
Shouldn't it just be "Dual Shield"
Thayos wrote:
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for a af geared party you can easily spend up to a hour plus in ak and for some people that's just unacceptable.
"Unacceptable" is a funny word when used in this context.
People who want speed runs shouldn't use the DF. They should get a group of other people, do their little gear checks and then do their speed runs. This way, they also don't have to throw hissy fits when the DF groups them with first-timers.
It all comes down to being a prick vs. not being a prick. You can make an unpopular decision without being a prick about it.
I'm not taking about using DF I'm talking about shout pt and people getting mad due to not getting invited to a party or being kicked from a party due to not having relic. I have started pairs for relic only out speed runs person sends me tell for invite, I invite him and turns out they have dl gear but no relic and get mad I kick them. And the reason I kick them or refuse to do runs with af people is the fact that 1 hour for a run is unacceptable to me. Another reason I do shot parties and not DF
Catwho wrote:
Dual wield shields!
I don't remember the guy who has them in game... BUT I WANTS!!! They have like Rocket-Launchers on them!
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Thayos wrote:
I guess MMOs just attract more douchebags these days.
I was thinking, perhaps I should state a DB disclaimer at the start of each run. Like, if anyone acts like a DB toward anyone, then I'm out. Seriously, I would rather not play for 15 minutes than provide my tanking support for a DB.
Not really. The problem is very simply this, on for instance FFXI if you were a douchebag you got a bad reputation and nobody would invite you which lead to the "bad eggs" being forced to quit more or less. On FFXIV the server matches you no matter how horrible you are, there is no punishment for being horrible. The fact that endgame is a pretty horrible grind right now doesn't help make people more forgiving either.
As I said, this matching system is mostly for people that have problems making runs from their friends list or whatever. When you run with those kinds of people you are going to get anti-social types.
The ease with which they spoonfeed you the endgame is the reason for the bad community. You can't have it both ways and I'm amazed you think you can.
Mithsavvy wrote:
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Wouldn't let it get to you, really. In trying to help a few FC-mates out with their relic progression picking up PUGs, we've had a few stinkers where it's inevitably fallen down to two things. The first is insufficient DPS to handle both adds before they Shriek. The second is the off-tank failing to position the red clone away from the green to prevent the DPS and healers from getting double-whammied by AoEs. Spells get interrupted by this, heals don't keep up, healers go down, everyone else goes down. This problem personally irks me more than insufficient DPS as one shriek is at least survivable, it otherwise just means a longer fight. In the end, I don't mind playing with undergeared people so much as long as they understand strategy. Me and other over-geared folk can help pick up the slack. And even if we don't win, then hopefully they can carry that knowledge into their next attempt. I know I have no inclination to flip tables until some pulls the DB card.
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Posted: Oct 28 2013 at 12:48 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Shh, it's funny to see one of the games blindest white knights bashing it. If anyone else had made this topic a month ago he would of argued to the death it was untrue. I'd rate his thread up if I could.
Preludes, I have never been a white knight. I have years of precedence over your short-term argument.
But hey, I'll humor you for a moment and say I'm still as white of a knight as ever! I'm just upset by those in the community who are crapping all over an otherwise awesome experience.
And welcome back to the forums! You've been awfully quiet lately.
But hey, I'll humor you for a moment and say I'm still as white of a knight as ever! I'm just upset by those in the community who are crapping all over an otherwise awesome experience.
And welcome back to the forums! You've been awfully quiet lately.
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Thayos wrote:
I think age has a lot to do with it. For a teenager (or even someone in the low 20s), grinding these endgame dungeons really may feel like one of the most important things that person will do each day. However, once you get older and take on real responsibilities, you realize how silly it is to get so worked up over a game.
I might have to sig that, since it pretty much sums up exactly how I feel. The average age of the people in my LS is over 30, with some of us either approaching or over 40. I had some guy be a complete DB to me during the storyline Titan fight because he felt I didn't break him out of the rock fast enough. I was like, "Dude, it's a video game. You're not actually going to die."
rfolkker wrote:
Catwho wrote:
Dual wield shields!
I don't remember the guy who has them in game... BUT I WANTS!!! They have like Rocket-Launchers on them!
Rhitahtyn sas Arvina, known to my LS as Ritalin. I'm not sure about the magitek missiles, but he does have guns built into Tartarus, his shields.
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preludes wrote:
Llester wrote:
this discussion is still a thing that happens?
Shh, it's funny to see one of the games blindest white knights bashing it. If anyone else had made this topic a month ago he would of argued to the death it was untrue. I'd rate his thread up if I could.
Criticizing the players of the game is not the same as criticizing the game.
I am dillying about leveling all my stuff up to unlock each job and staying away from end game ********** completely. I am up to CM for my story and I just don't want to be bothered, even if it comes at my expense, until some of these idiots get bored and leave because "OMG UNFINISHED ENDGAME!! RAWR~!!"
I leveled and unlocked PLD this weekend and tanked 10 runs of Hali, Toto, and Haukke each and always got a kick out of people who were new - remembering watching those cutscenes for the first time... esp the story scene in Toto. I never once felt a hurry up anything even though I had done it over and over all day. I am not a coach by any means and really don't feel it necessary to tell people how to play their part, but I will go over the mechanics of the fight if someone says they are new. It might fail, but they eventually get it except on those rare occasions when the person in question is completely unresponsive.
I don't really blame WoW or even WoW's community for this vitriolic type player. I blame consoles and the single player mentality. These are also the people who can't get past content without overgearing for content which is why they are the most vocal. Overgearing makes your mistakes less fatal - but being at gear level just means you are damn good at the game.
Once SE puts in the gear level thing for dungeons, I'll venture into the endgame stuff. Until then, I have dragoon, bard, and monk to finish up and take PLD and WHM to 50.
I leveled and unlocked PLD this weekend and tanked 10 runs of Hali, Toto, and Haukke each and always got a kick out of people who were new - remembering watching those cutscenes for the first time... esp the story scene in Toto. I never once felt a hurry up anything even though I had done it over and over all day. I am not a coach by any means and really don't feel it necessary to tell people how to play their part, but I will go over the mechanics of the fight if someone says they are new. It might fail, but they eventually get it except on those rare occasions when the person in question is completely unresponsive.
I don't really blame WoW or even WoW's community for this vitriolic type player. I blame consoles and the single player mentality. These are also the people who can't get past content without overgearing for content which is why they are the most vocal. Overgearing makes your mistakes less fatal - but being at gear level just means you are damn good at the game.
Once SE puts in the gear level thing for dungeons, I'll venture into the endgame stuff. Until then, I have dragoon, bard, and monk to finish up and take PLD and WHM to 50.
Thayos wrote:
FFXIV's endgame community really does seem to suck.
I've only done one CM run and one Prae run... not even anything meant for gear beyond level 50... and the amount of impatience, whining and general prickery I've encountered already is SHOCKING.
Finger-pointing, name-calling, forced DCs, people complaining about gear choices... all in two runs.
The sad thing is, most people who play this game are fine. However, if there are enough bad apples to pack so much whiny drama into two randomly chosen runs, then... damn. I've read about this issue on the forums, but, honestly, I thought people were just being overly dramatic!
It really is that bad, isn't it?
I've only done one CM run and one Prae run... not even anything meant for gear beyond level 50... and the amount of impatience, whining and general prickery I've encountered already is SHOCKING.
Finger-pointing, name-calling, forced DCs, people complaining about gear choices... all in two runs.
The sad thing is, most people who play this game are fine. However, if there are enough bad apples to pack so much whiny drama into two randomly chosen runs, then... damn. I've read about this issue on the forums, but, honestly, I thought people were just being overly dramatic!
It really is that bad, isn't it?
Thayos your on the same server as I am my FC runs WP, AK, CM all the time basically all day send me a tell in game if you are having no luck on DF and want to dungeon
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Thayos your on the same server as I am my FC runs WP, AK, CM all the time basically all day send me a tell in game if you are having no luck on DF and want to dungeon
Actually I'm on Sagatarnus (spelling?) now... no longer on Ultros. Moved to be with old friends from XI.
If you're there, though, I'll definitely hit you up!
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JeremyPD55 wrote:
You can Have Full DL or Vanya/Darksteele with relic + 1 if you cant doge a move by Titan then your just as equal as a guy with Ifrit's weapon and 1 DL piece
True!
I personally like to not die after 1 hit though, but I never liked playing Dark Souls with a naked character either. So I'll gear up so I can take some damage.
But really the only exception to this is on the DD in the event where there is a damage check due to time limits (Demon Wall in AK, the spawns in turn 4 of Bahamut's coil, Caduceus in BC turn 1 after the split (due to stacking buffs), Titan's Heart...). If you cant do enough damage at those points, you will die no matter how good you dodge.
Thayos wrote:
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Thayos your on the same server as I am my FC runs WP, AK, CM all the time basically all day send me a tell in game if you are having no luck on DF and want to dungeon
Actually I'm on Sagatarnus (spelling?) now... no longer on Ultros. Moved to be with old friends from XI.
If you're there, though, I'll definitely hit you up!
ZAM on Ultros is a lot ... different now
I left FFXI primarily due to the attitude of the Catch-22 crowd. Yes, I know you can also have other items, but there was a definite contingent both in the Empy weapon and in the current set that wanted you to have the gear that you were trying for when you were trying for it. Plus the general asshats who refuse to allow only but the highest to attend regardless of what they can contribute.
It's why my fiancee and I are taking it easy, enjoying the game as our little duo. We still haven't gone over 30 lol
It's why my fiancee and I are taking it easy, enjoying the game as our little duo. We still haven't gone over 30 lol
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Catwho wrote:
Littlechaos wrote:
From what I've read, it's almost like XIs atmosphere where, if you didn't have VW,legion, salvage gear you were gridlocked from doing endgame content, especially neo nyzul. It got worst when delve butt rushed the game. You didn't have a RME weapon, you couldn't do delve. Didn't have a delve weapon or gear? Couldn't do delve(totally contradicting obviously). It makes me weary of doing endgame content even though I just started that game lol
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Man, FF11 sure has a lot of fun words in it.
No dig against you Cat, it just reminded me of reading some of the military stories friends of mine post;
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So our XO made it to the POS on the DoB of our BFF when some TAT's QoP'd our DDR. Fortunately, we contacted CSAO for some ASSRAMS in the OPP and everything was TOB.
It all sounds so exciting, but I don't get a single bit of it lol.
Thayos wrote:
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Thayos your on the same server as I am my FC runs WP, AK, CM all the time basically all day send me a tell in game if you are having no luck on DF and want to dungeon
Actually I'm on Sagatarnus (spelling?) now... no longer on Ultros. Moved to be with old friends from XI.
If you're there, though, I'll definitely hit you up!
Sagatarnus is where I am as well...
Quor wrote:
Catwho wrote:
Littlechaos wrote:
From what I've read, it's almost like XIs atmosphere where, if you didn't have VW,legion, salvage gear you were gridlocked from doing endgame content, especially neo nyzul. It got worst when delve butt rushed the game. You didn't have a RME weapon, you couldn't do delve. Didn't have a delve weapon or gear? Couldn't do delve(totally contradicting obviously). It makes me weary of doing endgame content even though I just started that game lol
*English interspersed with incoherent words*
Man, FF11 sure has a lot of fun words in it.
No dig against you Cat, it just reminded me of reading some of the military stories friends of mine post;
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So our XO made it to the POS on the DoB of our BFF when some TAT's QoP'd our DDR. Fortunately, we contacted CSAO for some ASSRAMS in the OPP and everything was TOB.
It all sounds so exciting, but I don't get a single bit of it lol.
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I will hit you up!
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IKickYoDog wrote:
Quor wrote:
Catwho wrote:
Littlechaos wrote:
From what I've read, it's almost like XIs atmosphere where, if you didn't have VW,legion, salvage gear you were gridlocked from doing endgame content, especially neo nyzul. It got worst when delve butt rushed the game. You didn't have a RME weapon, you couldn't do delve. Didn't have a delve weapon or gear? Couldn't do delve(totally contradicting obviously). It makes me weary of doing endgame content even though I just started that game lol
*English interspersed with incoherent words*
Man, FF11 sure has a lot of fun words in it.
No dig against you Cat, it just reminded me of reading some of the military stories friends of mine post;
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So our XO made it to the POS on the DoB of our BFF when some TAT's QoP'd our DDR. Fortunately, we contacted CSAO for some ASSRAMS in the OPP and everything was TOB.
It all sounds so exciting, but I don't get a single bit of it lol.
XIV endgame sounds exactly the same if you're not fifty yet. Darklight armor? Wtf is that? And what are these tomes you speak of?
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