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#127 Oct 30 2013 at 4:09 PM Rating: Decent
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IKickYoDog wrote:
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I also heard from a buddy of mine this week, that S.E. will be outsourcing their next Final Fantasy title to a Western game developing company for the first time.


Would like to see some sort of source on this.


http://www.siliconera.com/2012/06/27/square-enix-to-rely-more-on-outsourced-development-for-large-projects/

Rumors last year said they were considering it. Nothing solid on anything yet.
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#128 Oct 30 2013 at 4:46 PM Rating: Default
IKickYoDog wrote:
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P.S.

I also heard from a buddy of mine this week, that S.E. will be outsourcing their next Final Fantasy title to a Western game developing company for the first time.

So I guess, no more Japanese dev teams for FF..... lol

Now S.E. has officially turned themselves not only into a more Westernized MMO company but also now a "Westernized" console gaming company as well.

Think S.E. is seriously dropping the ball... Their games were popular in the past for very unique reasons, because they are different, they are apart from what we Westerners are more accustomed to.... Now it's all over, we have S.E. concentrating their whole effort on creating games that are designed to cater to Westernized kids with ADD/ADHD.

Good job Square, guess you never did really recover after the whole Spirits Within sh*t hitting the fan...


Would like to see some sort of source on this.


I am not certain what you would consider as ... source... or official but here's two:

http://www.oxm.co.uk/65029/square-enix-has-discussed-letting-eidos-work-on-final-fantasy-could-be-very-interesting/

This one was from XBOX The official magazine.

This one is from some web site:

http://www.lazygamer.net/general-news/the-next-final-fantasy-game-could-be-made-by-eidos/

So I'm not certain which company they decided to go with but they are definitely open to the idea. No objections means highly possible, in the gaming industry, this rumor is just as good as a fact.

Remember that they already experienced big success with the Tomb Raider reboot. What? You think Tomb Raider was created by S.E.? No, it was only "published" by S.E.

Since they had so much success, again from a business perspective, it might be less costly and more efficient by going this way.

Point is, S.E. is changing and no one can be sure if this... business direction change is really good for them in the long run.
#129 Oct 30 2013 at 4:48 PM Rating: Good
Alrighty, thanks. I hadn't heard about any of that to this point.
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XBL kinda had a karma system before, though, through stars. When I played the one multiplayer Castlevania arcade game when I had my sub, I had some person randomly rate me down even though I played just fine, don't use voice, and didn't spam the in-game emotes. Why? Well, because he could. I don't really see such a system accomplishing anything in the long term, as just like here, all it takes is a few bad votes early on to cement your "caste" within the community.
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#131 Oct 31 2013 at 1:35 AM Rating: Excellent
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There's an easy solution for this problem, find people that aren't DB and form an FC or ls with them. Might take some time and you might have to kick some people and maybe hurt your rep on the server a little, but it worked for me. :-)

There was a girl I was playing FFXI with on Kujata and she invited anyone on her FB to come play FFXIV with a group on a specific server. We eventually left that massive group with only the people she has played with for years and I have to say we got a nice group. I don't mind dying a gazillion times in FC parties and neither do I in DF groups. It's funny how the whiners are usually the bad players who don't know how to play with others. One example, the guy we kicked from our FC. He had the best gear and was always telling us how to play, but was the worst skilled player of our FC and didn't know how to play with others or have patience.

Another example, Mor Dhona shout group for Garuda. No specific shout asking only to clear the HM fight. This guy comes in, starts demanding relics for every slot of the group and whatnot. I basically told him to f off lol. Bottomline is we beat the fight after trying a couple time with that group, everyone happy lol. Even made a few friends ^^

Really, it's all a matter of patience and allowing people to learn, give them the time to develop. If your only goal in this game is to get the best gear and beat everything asap, you forget the most important aspect of playing a game: Have. Fun.

I live by what someone said in this thread: I give you respect and only ask that you are respectful in return. But if you show me disrespect, you can go somewhere else.
#132 Oct 31 2013 at 3:59 PM Rating: Excellent
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What shocked me most though is that this took place in my own FC.


My scrub-sense is tingling, sounds like your leader has some pretty special ideas. Just do your best to save people from being sent to farm CM ~



The first FC I joined when the game launched was a lot like this, so I left for another FC that invited me along to farm Titan with them, with none of us better than AF with a smattering of AK here and there, and a few Ifrit and Garuda weapons mixed in with the rest of our dungeon weapons. They farmed Titan regularly with just that because A.) No one told them you needed better gear, so they all just got better at the fight, and B.) They were fine with failing before succeeding instead of powering through something at a lower skill level, and as casuals, they were far better due to that mind-set alone than most hardcores I've met.

I loved that they offered me a spot in their FC. One of the best moves I ever made. The first FC I was in, last I heard, they imploded from the top-down. The leader wouldn't bring FC members to AK unless they were in full DL, and you don't want to know what he mandated for a speed run. From what I understand, his reputation and that of his officers are such garbage that they even get called out in DF now. So much for lack of community :D.

I guess the moral of the story is to move to a less-vocal FC that you can enjoy playing in. You'll have more fun overall.

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Good answer, Pawkeshup.

I'd say from a relationship standpoint, we're probably worse off than we've been in a long time. Young people don't really know how to relate to each other (or older people), because most of what they know is through a phone or a computer. Yes, I firmly believe this is the result of negligent parenting, but that doesn't change what's happening. It is what it is.


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Almost Carlin-like in how true it is.

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Didn't have time to read through the entire thread, so I'm not sure if anyone has posted this.

I heard from a friend yesterday that Microsoft implemented some kind of new feature to their XBox Live Gold membership users. I'm a Microsoft/Xbox hater but even I thought this feature they implemented was genius. Kind of left me hanging as to why S.E. never thought about doing this.

MS created this... so called "Point System", where users gets to rate other users based on their behavior, language use, attitude/play style and various others. This thing was created to counter problems with games like Call of Duty, Battlefield and etc. Apparently, CoD and Battlefield all have their share of "kids" that basically ruin the game for everyone else during online sessions.

To simplify it, it's a "Reputation System" where bad players with bad behaviors gets marked. I think if you are a good player, there is some kind of "green" marking next to your account name and if you are one of the annoying kids, you get a red mark.



Snipped some there, just to get the main point out. But from what I've seen so far, these systems always start out all good and well, but a vast majority of people that use the system itself tend to rate people down out of spite or boredom more than people rate up, and the system defeats itself. League of Legends bypasses this by weighting level 30 reports more heavily than lower levels, and by weighting reports by people who report often less than those who report rarely, but for MS to have a system like that to work, you'd require a serious time investment into your Gold membership, and that may or may not work with different game genres and expectations in multiplay across games. It'll be interesting to see if they can make it work, but I don't have high hopes, especially when it's MS putting forth the effort. Although, 3 to 5 years after they release it they should have all the kinks worked out.
#133 Nov 01 2013 at 9:00 AM Rating: Excellent
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Thayos wrote:
I'll also blame poor parenting before I ever blame WoW or any other game.


Perhaps. Or perhaps people can just be jerks regardless of their upbringing. There are studies currently being conducted, the one on brown capuchin monkeys being the most noteworthy, of the presence or absence of morality in species other than humans. This group of primates in particular demonstrated an inherent sense of 'fairness'. Fascinating study.

Parents can't be held responsible for how their children behave, especially when so many of us came from broken homes or no homes at all and still didn't use it as an excuse to turn into an abusive c*nt in a video game. I hold no one responsible but the person themselves. Growing into an adult is a world experience, not just limited to the original two parents, and everyone has the power to make themselves into a better human being.

That said, the mmo community is growing more toxic in general. Wow forums are blowing up over the LFR community as well of late, and I wonder if it's just because games are so much more accessible now. Games used to be sort of a sanctuary, where the geekiest of us would take refuge to escape the abuse of our peers. It used to take some intelligence to put together a machine capable of communication over the wire. Now it's so dumbed down that anyone who can press a power button is online. That's reflected in the community at large.
#134 Nov 01 2013 at 12:02 PM Rating: Excellent
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Perhaps. Or perhaps people can just be jerks regardless of their upbringing.


I worked with a kid, he was probably around 16-17 at the time, he was nice as can be at work, quite, soft spoken, and did his job. His Mother also worked there and she was also a really nice responsible Mother. Come to find out, he had been banned from Xbox live for abusive behavior about 4 or 5 times, I guess this kid would just scream at people calling them all sorts of racist **** and what not. His Mother eventually sold his Xbox and wouldn't let him play games online anymore, then he ended up in the military LOL. But you would have never guessed it from just talking to him.

Just goes to show, some people are just bat **** crazy for no reason when its anonymous over the internet.
#135 Nov 01 2013 at 12:21 PM Rating: Good
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Jeskradha wrote:
Torrence wrote:

Perhaps. Or perhaps people can just be jerks regardless of their upbringing.


I worked with a kid, he was probably around 16-17 at the time, he was nice as can be at work, quite, soft spoken, and did his job. His Mother also worked there and she was also a really nice responsible Mother. Come to find out, he had been banned from Xbox live for abusive behavior about 4 or 5 times, I guess this kid would just scream at people calling them all sorts of racist sh*t and what not. His Mother eventually sold his Xbox and wouldn't let him play games online anymore, then he ended up in the military LOL. But you would have never guessed it from just talking to him.

Just goes to show, some most people are just bat sh*t crazy for no reason when its anonymous over the internet.

FTFY
#136 Nov 01 2013 at 1:43 PM Rating: Decent
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Jeskradha wrote:


Just goes to show, some people are just bat sh*t crazy for no reason when its anonymous over the internet.


Oh it's not for "no reason". There's a reason and it's untreated mental illness. Another reason we need better healthcare in America.

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Torrence wrote:
Jeskradha wrote:


Just goes to show, some people are just bat sh*t crazy for no reason when its anonymous over the internet.


Oh it's not for "no reason". There's a reason and it's untreated mental illness. Another reason we need better healthcare in America.



It's not a mental illness, kid just needs an outlet. Probably doesn't do much else, so his sole release is online gaming. With it being such a safe bet there will be little to no repercussions to his actions that would affect him in a significant way, it's a fairly safe place to air your grievances. It's not so much a mental illness as much as parents don't teach kids how to properly express anger and negative emotions, so all kids know are the unhealthy extremes they see on TV in a lot of "reality" shows and programs. Grow up thinking that's the norm, and suffer no real punishment when you do it from the relative safety and anonymity of the internet, and it's not a stretch to see why that behavior is so prevalent today. Not really a mental illness though. Just a lack of education.
#138 Nov 02 2013 at 1:13 PM Rating: Good
I've done all the 'endgame' activities in ARR, and continue to do them, and I will have to agree that the community for those activities is downright horrible.

I see some people in this thread trying to say the reason is because of 'kids these days', etc. but there are plenty of other recent multiplayer communities that act civil.

The late game community of FFXIV acts like they're on 4chan - end of story. Lots of bullying and very little positivity. I'm not sure why though. But blaming it on how parents raise their kids this generation, etc. is bullcrap.

Edited, Nov 2nd 2013 3:28pm by LucasNox
#139 Nov 02 2013 at 4:39 PM Rating: Good
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I know there's a lot of comments here already and I only read the first page, but just wanted to add my own experience.

I only ran into ONE elitist jerk since I've been 50 that I couldnt stand at all. he was a white mage with an obnoxious name to begin with, and told our 2nd healer from the DF that she was an idiot for aggroing stuff in CM on her first run through story mode. It was also my first run. Granted, I didn't aggro stuff the group was dodging and she did...but come on. first time. He actually got way over defensive and started name calling and berating her, all 6 of us jumped down his throat and he refused to move. he sat in the starting area. When we got to the first boss and someone asked if we were all there, i said 'looks like everyone but X, looks like hes trollin in the dungeon'- and then he exploded. We wipe and we blame him, he then proceeds to tell us he was lost, not that he was refusing to help; and that it was our fault we went in without him. Absolutely outrageous.

He said he was 30 and didnt need to work a long day and login to get some tomes in to make progress and be belittled by an entire group of kids. So, the age filter is probably not the best idea. We all quit the run including two relic dps who graciously left first so the rest of us doing story didnt have to wait 15 minutes for DF cooldown. We also all filed harassment reports for griefing, because by refusing to help the group but also refusing to leave so we couldnt replace him, he was keeping us from being able to play the game in a normal capacity.

I shared the experience and it seems like between linkshell and my FC, it is just praetorium and Caustrum Meridium that have these issues. The elitist, jerk asshats looking for speed runs think this is the fastest way to get philo without having to do much work, but it's actually slower because they are also running those with first timer, fresh 50s. I kinda feel like they are really the rejects who can't make the cut for the other elitists shouting in Mor Dhona, so they relegate themselves to belittling fresh 50s in Prae/CM.

I do my WP/AK runs about 50/50 between DF and fc/LS friends, and I only run into a few people who quit after the first 5 minutes because we aren't far enough for their liking. Little do they know, even as a healer or tank, you're not going to find a group in the DF by leaving and re-queuing that will get in and move through the dungeon faster than if you were to just stay in the group with the relic bard and 5 DL piece blm. *shrug*


So really TL:DR; wait to do prae and CM with FC/LS friends or as many as you can before you DF, then run WP/AK onry.
Survive until patch 2.1 when we can get categories such as efficiency-goal based, or story-based ect ect whatever those features were!
#140 Nov 04 2013 at 9:13 AM Rating: Default
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FFXIV's endgame community really does seem to suck.

I've only done one CM run and one Prae run... not even anything meant for gear beyond level 50... and the amount of impatience, whining and general prickery I've encountered already is SHOCKING.

Finger-pointing, name-calling, forced DCs, people complaining about gear choices... all in two runs.

The sad thing is, most people who play this game are fine. However, if there are enough bad apples to pack so much whiny drama into two randomly chosen runs, then... damn. I've read about this issue on the forums, but, honestly, I thought people were just being overly dramatic!

It really is that bad, isn't it?


It is not just end game.. I did a dungeon run yesterday that wasn't too hard of one. The tank was under leveled and under geared. I threw three cure3 on him and could not keep up and he blamed me. First boss was not tuff but yet the tank drew me out of mp. Every time he got hit it was for 75 percent of his HP plus he did not keep the mob facing away from the other party member's.... I blew threw Ifrit and Titan with no problems and this easy dungeon was a struggle then the tank leaves at the last boss...

Honestly I am behind because I have had to work allot lately. But now most of the good players are 50 and now stuck with this. I hope I can get some FC help to get to end game. I have not done much with them lately because of work and really feel like I am just playing catch up. I have been on too sporadically to be much help to them. I also feel I can be of help to the FC now things are slowing down.
Honestly I am wishing right now that I didn't pay up for 6 months. I am worried that I might get stuck.

I have met some really nice people in the game too but lately it is just been butt holes in most Duty finder matches.



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#141 Nov 04 2013 at 9:17 AM Rating: Excellent
Another weekend of excellent experiences with the End Game community.

Ran Wanderer's Palace and Ampador Keep, using the Duty Finder, so many times I actually hit that Myth cap.

Every single party was fun. In a couple of the parties, the players were not experienced, and we helped them through. At least once, the party collectively did not have the gear to win in AK. So we called it a "learning run" and just worked as far as we could to learn the tactics. Everyone left the party happy even though we did not win.

Ifrit HM, we had a tank flip out. But everyone else stayed calm. We discussed some tactics. Then the tank apologized and we went on to win!

So how about that?

I think this may be a case of seeing what you want to see. If so, I'm guilty. I want to see helpful, happy gamers playing FFXIV, and I do, everywhere I look.

Edited, Nov 4th 2013 10:46am by Gnu
#142 Nov 04 2013 at 11:22 AM Rating: Excellent
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It seems to be getting better. When I reached 50 several weeks ago, all my lv 50 instances were horrible nightmares. I have been yelled at for being one shot by the adds on that instance where you just kill one boss (wtf), I've seen people stay at the entrance the entire time except they show up on the last boss to blow LB and make us wipe by starting before everyone is there, yelled at for not knowing my way around Castrum, etc etc. I almost quit the game.

Then I leveled another class, had almost all fantastic experiences spamming dungeons all the way to 50, and now that I'm in lv 50 entry content again, I have had only good experiences. I just hope it's not a fluke :)
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#143 Nov 04 2013 at 4:13 PM Rating: Decent
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I can see it improving because the endgame asshats tend to be the ones pushing for the fastest progress possible, hence why they are so highstrung and flip out when they are "forced" to deal with "failures". Again, not all, or even most, people who enjoy rushing content are asshats, just some. There are still others who will have abandoned DF to found their own elitist cliques and never again associate with "casuals" or "noobs". Over time, there are more of us (IE non-asshats) than them (IE asshats of all stripes).
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#144 Nov 04 2013 at 4:19 PM Rating: Good
They also tend to be the first ones to not renew their subscription when they're distracted by the latest shiny. Thank God.
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They also tend to be the first ones to not renew their subscription when they're distracted by the latest shiny. Thank God.

Especially if said shiny is free/in beta. Helps their "leet cred".

I enjoy not being mired in that right now. I know we might miss out on awesome gear, but the last thing I want is to turn my enjoyment into a second job... again. That; **** ended with FFXI.
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#146 Nov 05 2013 at 9:56 AM Rating: Excellent
Now that I've been in the endgame scene for a few days, I'm pleased to say I've had better experiences... but still, I've seen way too many whiny, self-absorbed idiots.

My favorite was a guy who was so busy yelling at people during Ifrit HM, that he didn't get out of the way and died during a charge attack. Smiley: lol

We wiped, and he continued talking trash after we got back up, and he said something like, "I'm out of here," but he didn't leave. So I took it upon myself to ask why he'd been talking smack during the fight instead of doing his job, and then I pointed out he needed to shape up and not be petty for 5 to10 mins, or he could leave. I may or may not have told him to save the trash talk until after we won. Turns out, he didn't leave, and we beat Ifrit on the next attempt.

I've seen enough good people now to have more faith in playing with good people at endgame, but I'm still really shocked by the stupidity I've seen. And I'm not talking about newer endgame players who are still learning the fights... I'm talking about people who simply reroute power from their brains to their mouths (or, in this case, their typing). Good times.


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#147 Nov 05 2013 at 11:58 AM Rating: Good
Glad to hear you have met some more positively focused players Thayos!

Good luck on that elusive Ifrit weapon drop.
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It's not a mental illness, kid just needs an outlet. Probably doesn't do much else, so his sole release is online gaming. With it being such a safe bet there will be little to no repercussions to his actions that would affect him in a significant way, it's a fairly safe place to air your grievances. It's not so much a mental illness as much as parents don't teach kids how to properly express anger and negative emotions, so all kids know are the unhealthy extremes they see on TV in a lot of "reality" shows and programs. Grow up thinking that's the norm, and suffer no real punishment when you do it from the relative safety and anonymity of the internet, and it's not a stretch to see why that behavior is so prevalent today. Not really a mental illness though. Just a lack of education.


I disagree. That level of rage isn't just a kid who doesn't have an outlet for his emotions; it's a kid who has real problems that someone (himself, his parents, his friends\teachers) is avoiding. That's deep-seated trauma, not lack of an appropriate way to express anger. The simple fact that he can control himself when he's around other people shows that he knows this behavior isn't the right way to deal with his feelings, so it's clear that his parents did teach him how he is to handle social situations.

Something else is wrong, and he needs help.
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FFXIV's endgame community really does seem to suck.

I've only done one CM run and one Prae run... not even anything meant for gear beyond level 50... and the amount of impatience, whining and general prickery I've encountered already is SHOCKING.

Finger-pointing, name-calling, forced DCs, people complaining about gear choices... all in two runs.

The sad thing is, most people who play this game are fine. However, if there are enough bad apples to pack so much whiny drama into two randomly chosen runs, then... damn. I've read about this issue on the forums, but, honestly, I thought people were just being overly dramatic!

It really is that bad, isn't it?


It is not just end game.. I did a dungeon run yesterday that wasn't too hard of one. The tank was under leveled and under geared. I threw three cure3 on him and could not keep up and he blamed me. First boss was not tuff but yet the tank drew me out of mp. Every time he got hit it was for 75 percent of his HP plus he did not keep the mob facing away from the other party member's.... I blew threw Ifrit and Titan with no problems and this easy dungeon was a struggle then the tank leaves at the last boss...

Honestly I am behind because I have had to work allot lately. But now most of the good players are 50 and now stuck with this. I hope I can get some FC help to get to end game. I have not done much with them lately because of work and really feel like I am just playing catch up. I have been on too sporadically to be much help to them. I also feel I can be of help to the FC now things are slowing down.
Honestly I am wishing right now that I didn't pay up for 6 months. I am worried that I might get stuck.

I have met some really nice people in the game too but lately it is just been butt holes in most Duty finder matches.



Edited, Nov 4th 2013 10:19am by Nashred


Well I redid the dungeon last night and had a totally different experience.
Instead of being run out of mp and being ******* at for not keeping the tank alive. I pretty much kept regen on this tank except for boss fights.
We did fail one boss fight because of me, I made a judgement error during stun. But we got up and redid it. Anyway never was I close to being out of mp on this fight with this tank.

Point is use decent equipment it makes a big difference.

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I find that "overcuring" drains my mp too. My MP made a big comeback when I started really paying attention to how much max HP the tank had vs how much HP my cures did, and I was often 'wasting' a whole hit or two. I've also found having regen on from soup to nuts helps a lot.

I'm not saying the gear thing isn't important too, just sharing some insights I've had recently.

Also, don't forget to use Divine Seal as often as you can, the cooldown isn't terribly long and it makes an appreciable difference :)
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I find that "overcuring" drains my mp too. My MP made a big comeback when I started really paying attention to how much max HP the tank had vs how much HP my cures did, and I was often 'wasting' a whole hit or two. I've also found having regen on from soup to nuts helps a lot.

I'm not saying the gear thing isn't important too, just sharing some insights I've had recently.

Also, don't forget to use Divine Seal as often as you can, the cooldown isn't terribly long and it makes an appreciable difference :)


And dont forget Shroud of Saints which gives refresh..
Yea I am not new to healing I was a career whm in ffxi.
We also had a bard with refresh.

But I threw three cure3 on the guy and he still died and he blamed me for not keeping up cures on him... He was just getting hit for too much and he was horrible. He never kept the mobs facing away from us so there I am healing up everyone. The guy was fighting with one of the dd's the whole way. ..This last run was a breeze, I did nothing different and most dungeons have been a breeze.







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