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#77 Nov 13 2013 at 4:47 PM Rating: Decent
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It's really very fair to say that this is all moving at a sluggish pace. It's not the fault of the game genre that it's moving so sluggishly.


It's also not the players' fault for noticing

Even if XIV hasn't technically been slow about its updating, it's FELT slow. What updates have gone out have been bug fixes, and those have been slow too. Remember that Turn 5 bug? That was around for quite a while.

I'm not saying SE is necessarily doing something wrong here, but the perception of the players is that SE is dragging their feet.
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#78 Nov 13 2013 at 5:04 PM Rating: Good
At this point, with it's track record, I'd rather they take time to release proper content then to rush it out and have half of it broken. They've also been doing several server maintenance which I think has delayed some of the content development. I'm sure SE could release smaller instances more often, but then people would blow through them in a week or two and complain that it's not enough.

Hell, they announced King Moogle and people are already complaining gear isn't on par with other things so they won't bother. Like I said, it doesn't matter what they do anymore, how fast, how slow they release something, the length, difficulty, someone will complain. I've played several other MMO's, and the ones that update frequently are lackluster at best, and the ones that take their time, well it's never fast enough.

Class balancing is coming, but it's not something you just do over night. There has to be actual thought involved, without trying to break certain aspect of each job too much. Some of it might even involved re-hauling content cause of the way bosses act right now, they do next to nothing to ranged DPS. It's all on the melee to get the hell out of the way and limit their DPS. At some point, you just got to play what's there, and take things as they come. You don't like it? Unsub and come back at a later time, no one is forcing you to stick around cause you feel there's not enough content at the current time. I'm sure SE is reading much of the constructive criticism it receives, but it can't fix it over night or even in a month.

But, but, but, but it's 12$ a month! Content should roll out faster! Unfortunately, as a company they're out to make money. Yes they need to please you, the customer, but they also have to turn a profit and salary a whole whack of people. They hire too many people, then they don't make profit. I really need to stop ranting, at this point what I've done with EVERY MMO that had something I really didn't like? I left, unsubbed and walked away. That's it, that's all. Like I said earlier, you like the game but don't feel content is coming fast enough? Then unsub until it does, if you've truly done everything it has to offer at this point, what's the point in paying and not playing?
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#79 Nov 13 2013 at 5:28 PM Rating: Decent
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You gave away too much with the ring comment. Checked him out on lodestone and he had a long way to go still. He was nowhere near crafting endgame. Otherwise all that gear would be slotted, he would be using those levels to make money on 2 star items, and working the buy sell game to make millions. Housing is going to be a big market for people like him, and you will likely see him return after the 2.1 patch. Probably just got burnt out.


Actually, he said he was less interested in housing because it wouldn't be personal. :( I think he was quite disappointed when he found out it was FC-only. I am not sure why his Lodestone is showing his gear like that...when I looked at it, he had it all melded and such.

So I unlocked weaver, leveled it to 6, and now am killing Titan.

I don't think crafting will ever be my thing. Never did it in 11 or WoW, probably won't now.


Yeah the lack of personal housing is a dissapointment. I'm kinda bummed that I dont get to design FC logos or put walls where I want them, but hopefully we get some personal housing at some point. They gave us a room in FFXI, at least we could put some more stuff in our inn room to make it personal.


Edited, Nov 13th 2013 8:59am by Valkayree


They gave us a room in FFXIV. And if that's an indicator of their housing design capabilities ( a bed to log out, a retainer bell, a worthless dresser that will not accept 99.99% of items and a cutscene book ), they really just need to forget housing and move onto things they're good at.
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#80 Nov 13 2013 at 6:10 PM Rating: Decent
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They gave us a room in FFXIV. And if that's an indicator of their housing design capabilities ( a bed to log out, a retainer bell, a worthless dresser that will not accept 99.99% of items and a cutscene book ), they really just need to forget housing and move onto things they're good at.


I wouldn't be opposed to scrapping housing altogether. I can't speak for everyone, but I would imagine the majority of people only spend the 10 seconds it takes to logout in their room.

SE needs to adjust the priority of their updates. If people spend less than 5% of their playtime in their housing, SE should spend less than 5% of their development resources trying to implement it Smiley: nod
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#81 Nov 13 2013 at 6:43 PM Rating: Excellent
Scrap housing? What?!?

I can't wait for Housing. My FC can't wait for Housing. We're eager to use our crafting skills to adorn our place with cool stuff. We're also eager to share the common goal of raising enough gil to get the house we want!

A good MMO experience means much more than stats on gear.

This game NEEDS things like Housing to really be a place where people want to spend time and not just grind away.
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#82 Nov 13 2013 at 8:21 PM Rating: Excellent
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Scrap housing? What?!?

I can't wait for Housing. My FC can't wait for Housing. We're eager to use our crafting skills to adorn our place with cool stuff. We're also eager to share the common goal of raising enough gil to get the house we want!

A good MMO experience means much more than stats on gear.

This game NEEDS things like Housing to really be a place where people want to spend time and not just grind away.


I agree only if the housing isn't coming at the expense of gameplay. If the housing system itself contains a decent amount of gameplay, then cool... go for it.

Housing is really something that can be added at any time though. And right now it does feel as though it's coming at the expense of gameplay, rather than as an addition to it. Not even talking about endgame, a common complaint about the current leveling model is that once you've done one job, you're pretty much relegated to FATE and dungeon grinding from 1 to 50, with some breaks to fill out a hunting log. That isn't being addressed at all here, and it's a problem that needs to be addressed.

To me it feels like the housing could have waited.
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#83 Nov 13 2013 at 9:31 PM Rating: Good
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While I've been somewhat cruel toward housing in calling it fluff content, what irks me more about the impending implementation is that this is the FC version and not an individual's. While I'm not especially worried about the FC I'm in imploding since it's led by a friend of mine from XI, I do worry about other people being exploited by shifty leaders or sudden fits of drama basically translating to a loss of resources for anyone who contributed. So, while fairer types might be like, "Bob made this dresser, so he can have it back..." you will have others who will just sell everything for personal profit.

But we'll see, I guess. I just have a habit of looking for faults in systems.
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#84 Nov 14 2013 at 12:01 AM Rating: Decent
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Scrap housing? What?!?

I can't wait for Housing. My FC can't wait for Housing. We're eager to use our crafting skills to adorn our place with cool stuff. We're also eager to share the common goal of raising enough gil to get the house we want!

A good MMO experience means much more than stats on gear.

This game NEEDS things like Housing to really be a place where people want to spend time and not just grind away.


I agree only if the housing isn't coming at the expense of gameplay.

Pretty much this.

Scrapping was a poor choice of words, my apologies. I meant it should be scrapped for the time being.

I'm not against them adding housing, just expressing that there should be other things at the top of their list of priorities right now. Implement and adjust content that the majority of players are taking part in and then take a look at the rest. At best it should be toward the bottom of the pile. There may be people looking forward to it, but in terms of what their other options are; they're not going to get a lot of mileage out of housing.

Also worth noting that they said(unless it's changed recently) that housing will be expensive. Odds are that you'll have to spend quite a bit of time amassing gil. If they implement housing and the average player has to farm for two months to get the best crib and furnishings, that's two months of wasted opportunity. 2 months you spent doing something you could already do(farming) instead of adding something new to participate in that could add a new dynamic immediately.



Edited, Nov 14th 2013 1:03am by FilthMcNasty
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#85 Nov 14 2013 at 1:29 AM Rating: Excellent
But new content is being added, and there is more to MMOs than grinding through endgame. You can't expect SE to cater to only the hardcore endgame crowd. Not only is housing fun, but it also creates a different kind of progression for people who aren't obsessed with raids. I am sure crafters will enjoy having added purpose, too.
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#86 Nov 14 2013 at 5:32 AM Rating: Decent
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But new content is being added, and there is more to MMOs than grinding through endgame. You can't expect SE to cater to only the hardcore endgame crowd. Not only is housing fun, but it also creates a different kind of progression for people who aren't obsessed with raids. I am sure crafters will enjoy having added purpose, too.


I didn't suggest they focus solely on endgame. I said they need to focus on things that are important to the majority. If you look at the list of upcoming changes, the majority are not endgame focused. AFAIK the only things related only to endgame are a few dungeons, a few primals and the extreme modes. They need to trim the fat.

PvP? How about getting the PvE balance changes done first. UI changes, camera improvement, adding quests, finding treasure, job and pet adjustments... even if it takes longer for these things to be implemented, they all have much higher potential to affect your gameplay on a consistent basis.

Do we really need a beauty salon? Sure we do, but it's not important now. Some day I might appreciate being able to change my avatar's appearance. Unless it's a lengthy process, you'll end up spending maybe 15 mins of your playtime in your XIV career selecting a hairstyle. Is it worth pushing back camera adjustments which would be noticed every time you play?

It will not be well received by the players if SE is going to boast about the amount of content they will implement then turn around and release an update that's mostly fluff.
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#87 Nov 14 2013 at 7:54 AM Rating: Excellent
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If you've ever played a character with long hair and seen how badly it clips in the armor, you'd rate having a hairstylist available much higher too. Smiley: lol
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#88 Nov 14 2013 at 7:57 AM Rating: Excellent
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If you've ever played a character with long hair and seen how badly it clips in the armor, you'd rate having a hairstylist available much higher too. Smiley: lol


I was actually going to emulate my XI character and have a long pony, but after hearing you talk about this awhile ago, I picked the little Samurai bun thingy :)
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#89 Nov 14 2013 at 9:22 AM Rating: Excellent
But the majority of players are not endgame grinders. The majority want cool features like housing and the ability to change hairstyles.

And, we are still getting a big chunk of endgame content with the new dungeons, crystal tower and primals.

Job balance issues are being taken care of, too. So are numerous other tweaks to sharpen gameplay.

Everyone's needs are being met here without needing to ignore any group of players.
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You know, if you're protected from rate downs (and as an extension of that your posts, regardless of their content, never falling to sub-default) it seems a bit of an abuse of an Admin status continually voicing the same opinion and perpetuating these back and forth arguments. It's not even that you're attempting to be a Devil's Advocate, your avatar doesn't resemble a white knight by accident I guess.
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#91 Nov 14 2013 at 12:52 PM Rating: Excellent
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your avatar doesn't resemble a white knight by accident I guess.


You need to familiarize yourself with the classic Final Fantasy titles.

And, yeah, my rant thread about the stupidity of the endgame community was really white-knighting it up! Smiley: lol

I'm sorry that you disagree with... well, what do you disagree with exactly?

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perpetuating these back and forth arguments


You know how boring forums would be if people didn't discuss things in a back-and-forth manner? There's be one post, one reply, and that would be it. How is that fun?

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It's not even that you're attempting to be a Devil's Advocate


Are you saying I should just randomly change my positions on topics just for the sake of disagreeing with people?

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#92Releaser, Posted: Nov 14 2013 at 1:00 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I'm inferring, as an admin, you should shepherd threads at most not dominate them.
#93 Nov 14 2013 at 1:03 PM Rating: Excellent
I believe Filth might silently (or not so silently) object to the notion that I'm dominating this thread.

I appear to be defending my position against a few other posters. The only difference between that and a "devil's advocate" is that I actually mean what I'm saying.
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You can't be naive enough to believe that having your name in orange letters and perma-Excellent status doesn't lend weight to your arguments surely? That's a priviledge that comes with some small element of responsibility.
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You can't be naive enough to believe that having your name in orange letters and perma-Excellent status doesn't lend weight to your arguments surely? That's a priviledge that comes with some small element of responsibility.


Happy 1000th post!

Sorry to derail, but can we get back to talking about fun stuff and tips/tricks, etc?
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#96 Nov 14 2013 at 1:17 PM Rating: Decent
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Happy 1000th post!


Oh... thanks! Been a member of Alla since about 2001 and only now hit 1000 posts. I feel like such a slacker!

Btw... love the FC name, noticed it the other day and was kicking myself I hadn't thought of it.
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perpetuating these back and forth arguments

You know how boring forums would be if people didn't discuss things in a back-and-forth manner? There's be one post, one reply, and that would be it. How is that fun?

Admins are admins. If they also want to be active in forum discussions in that manner, they should have separate non-admin accounts to post on. That's my opinion on the matter.
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#98 Nov 14 2013 at 1:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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You can't be naive enough to believe that having your name in orange letters and perma-Excellent status doesn't lend weight to your arguments surely? That's a priviledge that comes with some small element of responsibility.


That is an awesome 1,000th post!

And, no, I don't think people who I chat with regularly on the forums really care much about me being an admin. As you can see in this thread, it doesn't scare people away from arguing with me, either.

As far as being responsible, here's what I think that means:

- Listening
- Being fair
- Being respectful
- Not trolling
- Not putting words in other people's mouths

Beyond those things, I'm free to discuss whatever I'd like. Frankly, over my 7+ years of being an admin here, I've earned it.

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If they also want to be active in forum discussions in that manner, they should have separate non-admin accounts to post on. That's my opinion on the matter.


Wow, I wonder if the culture around here has really shifted that much? Color me surprised.

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#99 Nov 14 2013 at 1:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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Frankly, over my 7+ years of being an admin here, I've earned it.


I'd rate you up, but, you know.
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Naw, I prefer to know when an admin is posting. I'd assume the trolls would want to know that, too. Otherwise they'd get into an argument with someone, cross the line, and feel cheated that it was the forum equivalent of an undercover cop.

Back on topic-ish, let me reiterate that testing takes a long time. A really fricking long time. I'm alpha testing one of the functions of a revamped program at work, and every time I find a new major bug I have to say "nope still not working" and sit on my haunches and wait two hours while our devs rebuild and redeploy. Then I get to test for another ten minutes. Rinse, repeat.

Hey, at least it gives me a lot of time to web surf. Smiley: oyvey

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And, no, I don't think people who I chat with regularly on the forums really care much about me being an admin. As you can see in this thread, it doesn't scare people away from arguing with me, either.


I used to. I got over it. Smiley: nod
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