what qualifies as "geared"Follow

btw which gearset is better mythology tome armor or allagan>?

the stats look similar only difference is until the myth tome armor whre only your job can wear it, with allgan your class can wear it too

This is a great and accurate summary of what people are looking for on average for each of those things. I think the important point in this is that it separates "regular" runs from "speed" runs. It's essential not to conflate the two which seems to happen quite a bit where if someone asks for a "geared" player for a speed run, they're accused of being the devil himself for asking for relic +1, and called stupid because you can finish WP with less than that, and they have no idea what the requirements for the dungeon are, and they're elitists, etc... I'm not exaggerating either, though I wish I was, that's basically what happens.

I'll note though that as time moves on I see these people getting tarred and feathered less and less now that the initial mob that had their pitchforks out also has +1 relics... they're suspiciously silent on this outrage now... It's as if they're all busy somewhere speed running WP.


Edited, Nov 19th 2013 7:41am by Furiousnixon

This isn't helping your cause and peoples view on the type of person you are, and here you wonder what people think of you and/or your posts.

Someone posted this awhile ago, check it out-
http://intothemists.com/ffxiv/chart_for_end_game/

I can't tell from this statement but if I had to guess you must be new to this concept of weekly resets and doing content like this.

I've only been in Turn 1 of BC and there is a 90 min timer to clear the turn, I would like to think that it's the same for each turn (can't verify yet as I said only on the 1st turn). There are only 24 hours in any given day of the week not 40 (proof reading before sending the post does wonders).

Let's say with your assumption of job/life that the weekend of off limits due to family/life/job leaving you with the remaining day weekdays. You set aside 1 hour of playtime on those days, as you progress and gear up with doing the content in the time allotted you get better gear and start doing the content faster and faster each time (look at the original question you asked about geared, being geared allows for you to do the content faster if you know the mechanics). I see shouts for groups for BC T1-T4 runs stating they do such content in under 2 hours. Some of these groups are farming 1-4 while working on the mechanics of T5.

The only ones who wouldn't be able to clear the content in one week would be the remaining 5% where they have very limited play time at all due to rl obligations. There will always be a % of people who can't clear the content in that given time. They can either set more time aside to work on the content or only work on it with the time they have leaving them behind in end game progression. Is it fair that people are left behind in progression?? The answer is no, but sadly that is the way of end game progression. You either set the time aside for the content or get left behind without doing it.

I have rated you up in the past as well as rated you down in the past. By me knowing the type of poster you are and you blatantly admit to it I don't rate you down/up based on that knowledge, it's the content of your posts in where it comes to me if I rate your post at all (90% of the time I don't rate you at all).

Yeah. Shout runs would take a bit longer as it's not a static group of people that are used to each other and how each works, but even our group (which isn't uber by any means) usually does 1-4 in a little over an hour barring any wipes. Anyone worrying about the 'time' is funny, because even speed running it takes longer to cap 300 myth via WP runs than it does to get through 1-4 once you've gotten experience under your belt.

Yes.

Turn 1 is the longest. Depending on if a healer herp-derps on Cadecus you're looking at about 20~ minutes roughly from start to finish. Better geared groups can probably push it further.

Turn 2 has a hard cap of 12 minutes (clicks) so you're in and out fairly quickly.

Turn 3 is just trash, and all you're required to kill are two golems. The rest you can just space jump away from and they'll leash.

Turn 4 is a maximum of about 7 minutes (6 minutes encounter + 1 enrage about maximum -- while you can heal for a bit longer the tank can't keep up with threat forever with chain casted Medicas being slung about).

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I'm very blessed in that despite our crap luck with drops the people I run with are fairly exceptional damage dealers. One hour's good, but there's better groups that can easily do it within 45~ minutes.

Our group makeup is PLD x 2, MNK, DRG, BLM, BRD, WHM, SCH

Turn 4 took the least amount of time for us to get past simply due to the fact that's it's a pure damage (and healing once double Dreadnaughts are out) turn. Whereas Turn 2 took forever as the ranged kept wanting to do an M formation until we got sick of wiping due to random herpderping and just told them to stack up.

What part are you guys having trouble with? The bugs are all dead before the knight/soldiers are here? Those are dead (or at least the last is very close) when the Dreadnaught drops down? Are you guys getting time to do a good amount of damage on the 2nd Dreadnaught that drops in P5 before having to peel off to get the rest of the stuff that drops in P6? Are you running out of time before healer hate overcomes the tanks and wipes the group in the enrage phase?

Where's the bottleneck at?

As far as damage is concerned I think our DRG does a bit of AoE on the first phase, but goes single target beyond that (though, to be honest a BLM that's covered and pushes his limit can almost take it out entirely if they use Flare well).

Speaking from the Dreadnaught tank perspective, once the first one dies just collapse all the way in the center again and stack up. Rooks don't really hit hard at all and whoever has hate just faces them away. Plus, don't worry about having health left on at least the last solider/knight as it's normal for working through it: if it's the melee mob the BLM can just shift to the Dreadnaught and start on it, and if it's the caster mob you as the DRG can shift to the Dreadnaught to get started (debuff and whatnot) while your three ranged finish it off.

We actually split our damage on the double knight/soldier/P2 so the DRG's on the OT's magic guy and the other three (MNK, BRD, BLM) work on both of my mobs, blow something up the second a stoneskin drops, and then clean up. I think we still have about 40% left when the Dreadnaught drops which is fine because that gives me time to feed him all four bugs and build a bit of hate as any damage dealt to the Dreadnaught prior to feeding is pointless since he just heals.

Phase 4 (Rooks and bugs) is a good time for one of the bards to pop Paeon for about 20~ seconds. He can still AoE and boost the other bard's and yours TP regen rate, while the BLM does whatever AoE rotation he prefers. If you have a bug or two still left (like 10-15%) when the Dreadnaught drops don't worry about it since you've got stuff to kill in the center first on Phase 5 anyway before you move on to the big guy.

Hopefully mana's not an issue with your healers (make sure your tanks aren't flashing knights and soldiers!).

You guys sounds fine, just in our same boat we're having with Turn 5 -- attendance and barely getting in a night a week. It's the only thing sucky about MMOs around holidays for endgame groups.