my endgame tanking is terribadFollow

Depending which route you're going on T2, one of the ADS orbs requires DPS to start off slowly as it is resistant to slashing I believe. If everyone fires off on all cylinders, you'll lose hate right away and it'll bounce around like a ping pong ball. The other ADS nodes shouldn't cause any problem, as for that last one, ya the healers are gonna take hate, but who cares? It's just spamming it's AOE on everyone.

Other than that, a pld should have no issues holding hate what so ever in Coil. Check out Turn 4 to see if you're really using yours abilities properly as hate can bounce around easily there if not done properly.

Could be that you're up against some ilvl 95 or 100 weapons. If you don't have gear close to ilvl 90 then you'll feel it. I'm sitting at 88 right now, and I have yet to lose hate to anyone on anything, with the exception of WHM's who don't watch hate on Titan.

I'd start filling in your weakest pieces with Hero's/Noct/AF2 asap to bring up your ilvl. Str isn't as good as weapon damage, but it's the next best thing. Also make sure you have Zenith Relic. Do that first, above all other things if you haven't already.

We had this discussion before when you were struggling with hate in lower level dungeons as you were leveling up. I wanna say it's your rotation aren't up to par, do you have the capability to record video and upload it so we can see whats going on to help you more? How are you opening up each pull? Are you using other abilities to help you regain hate once you lost it, provoke, shield lob? Are you using other abilities that are off the GCD (spirits within... efc) and not part of your combo rotation? Are you running out of dps range during move's that are going off instead of side stepping it and staying on the boss? What is you acc at? If its lower than 470ish than that's going to be your problem. If your missing hit's then you will be losing hate due to not finishing off your combo's for more enmity, consider using food that will increase that.

If you take left hand turn all the way in T2 to AD's then it's going to be the last node in the trio where hate may ping pong around. When AD's goes into enrage method no matter what you do you will lose hate, all our tanks (myself included) then switched into sword oaths and dps'ed away. You can stay in shield oath if you like to take less dmg but you will not keep hate once he enrages.



I have MT T4 @71 for my pld against back then against full i90's and had no trouble what so ever in keeping hate, I'm able to keep hate my pld in newer content and coil even with DPS going nutz during the encounters with a higher gear and weapon. My pld had just the regular relic back then and now has the ex wep and shield (ilvl 73 now, saving myth for BRD books), slowly getting it geared up from coil.

I have SO up open with FoF then shield lob, get in close flash (which i usually lose hate before i even make it to the halone part of the halone combo. if i actually had a few second to secure some ate before then Im sure Id do fine. once i lose hate I Lob again mob ignore me... so I voke mob comes near me but before Iit even makes it to flash range it turns around and goes back) and start halone combo. But the way it would go if hate wqasnt an issue would be:

put up shield oath open with lob, get into flash range, flash, scorn, halone combo, activate FoF, repeat the previous stuff with the exception of using scorn only when its available as its not gonna cooldown as fast as the others, and replace FoF with one of my other abilities that dont have 5 sec cooldowns.. i.e awareness, then next round would be sentinel, then next round would be rampart then next would be bulwark, then next round would be convalescense, by that time FoF should b back again and we start all over with that. (since FoF also isnt gonna be ready again by then. thats what I did with cad and I kept hate just fine. doent work at all in t2

As for gear in t1 I used no food but had:

curtana zenith, zenith shield, darklight body, valor hands, allagan belt, allagan neck, darklight ear, hero bracelet, allgan ring and hero ring with darklight legs (yes all these were the "fending" types) the only change with t2 is DL legs have been replaces with valor legs and allagan boots.

Yes that drops my acc dramatically but I was already under the acc requirement for t1 yet had no problems without food so t2 should work fine WITH food correct?

Was this before 2.1 or after? Because 2.1 buffed WAR/PLD threat generation immensely (consensus based on gathered data shows that it's actually a 2x multiplier from Defiance/Shield Oath instead of the listed 1.2/1.25. I have never had a hate problem since 2.1. But prior to the buffs, a well-played i80+ DPS could give me a run for my money.

It was after 2.1

Well, there ya go. I remember tanking AK against Relic+1 DPS while using Garuda's Scream. Doable, sure, but only if they weren't going balls out right away. I had plenty of times BRD's would open with their full DPS salvo and it was like "Well, he's tanking *that* mob now," or BLM's who open with Fire 3 into a hard cast Flare into an instant Flare, which generally meant the BLM was now tanking 2-4 mobs depending on the pull. Getting Relic made a huge difference, enough to hold off on spending myth tomes on mist before I picked up some armor pieces, but it wasn't until I got my +1 that I felt really in control, especially against balls-to-the-wall types.

Now however, holding hate seems a joke as long as you're within 5-8 ilvls.

ok so I just did T2 again (this time on DF hat way if i sucked i was playing with randoms from other servers who id never have to see again) on tank without changing anything (same gear, same strat same food.. or lack there of), only difference way there was no lag spikes very 5 secs (i was playing on ps4 that day and pc now), my acc is low and I did notice I missed 2 out of 10 times, despite that I kept hate on EVERY mod leading up to ADS, I didnt keep hate on ADS at all but thats because the whm was opening up with medicas spam at the very start before enrage even activated... needless to say we wiped twice because of that (whm kept doing it) and ppl starts leaving.

But based on that Ive come to the conclusion that that first run was more so the party I was in (and the lag) than me. a DF group is usually a buncha undergeared or just at il requirement geared ppl, so they more than likely didnt have the damage needed to make it difficult for me to get hate, secure hate then keep hate from the start as a much better geared PF party most likely would be able to.

I didn't think that was allowed yet. I thought that you still needed a full, pre-made group of 8 to enter turns 1 through 5, even with DF.

A few people said it and I won't go into details but I think its your rotation. That is the biggest thing.

Another problem a lot of tanks have is TRYING to DPS. First and foremost, a tank, is a tank control your monsters. If you start to go DPS heavy, you're going to lose the hate in those dungeons.

See if DPS is an issue and see what your rotation is an if you can add/remove from it. Also knowing what to do at a specific time is also good.

Have tough skin and you will get the info you need.

If your VIT is dropped too much, though, then your WHM or SCH is going to have to work harder to keep you at reasonable health levels, and will generate more threat as well.

There's probably an ideal balance in there someplace.

I do not play Paladin, I am a Warrior. Warrior has a hand full of DPS like combos that can keep you from drawing hate. I assume Paladin has similar actions. If not, then not maintaining your hate combos, messing up, slow execution, wrong move at the wrong time, would all play a role. Another issue is the gear but unless you are the guy who takes ridiculous damage, gear isn't an issue if you stick with the recommended gear sets.

Yeah, CT gear is supposed to be a "gap filler" until you replace it all with relic gear or Coil gear. It boosts your iLvl score, but it's not best in slot by any stretch.

Still, some sets look badass.