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I think it's a better argument instead to say rather than it's not FFXI, that this is simply another Final Fantasy title.

No Final Fantasy ever really shared the same definitions for classes beyond the static mage counts. (Red, White, Black, Blue) And, past V, they ceased to have relevancy in anything but spin-off series and special editions.

Yeah, Vivi was Black Mage, but when did Black Mages dual cast with swordsmen?

And what was this skillset on Dragoon beside Jump? That was never seen before? Freya made a lot of interesting firsts there. And woah, what the heck, Wyvern?(FFXI) what the heck is that doing there, and why is it nerfing my DRG???

See, different games, different iterations of classic icons. To me, ROG/NIN is Thief/Ninja from FFI given FFXIV identity and unique definition. Those who were looking specifically for bandit/thief from other games, well, there's glamours, and perhaps a second job later on.

I'm still hoping for Templar for my Lancer, so I've warmed the waiting bench for you.

As many times as you point it out(correctly of course), people will still refer back to XI because it's the only representation we have of the THF job as it operates within the parameters of MMO mechanics. Not making excuses for it, but the comparisons will be made for that reason.


Edited, Jun 11th 2014 8:09pm by FilthMcNasty

That's the polite alternative to simply saying, "We're not adding Thief to the game, get over it."

Hurray for people who value gameplay over lore and immersion!

Things change. They evolve. It's great to stick to the lore when you're making a sequel or even a trilogy, but we should expect things to change over the course of several decades. People are up in arms about this and haven't even witnessed how it will really all work together anyway so what's the fuss? I'll let you know when the sky is falling. I'm an expert on the subject you know...

Sorry Catwho. I think I just called your great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather an ape

Edited, Jun 12th 2014 1:57am by FilthMcNasty

Thief became Ninja in Final Fantasy 1. They're really going back to their roots on this one

What if they didn't use the word "Thief" for the negativity. In FFXI SE didn't use the word "Pirate" and used "Corsair" instead.

U'Dah needs the class "usurer" with the later evolution of "investor"

Something I miss from 1.0 - you could actually rent out booths in the market wards for your retainers.

Something I don't miss from 1.0 - An army of zombie retainers standing in the MW making it impossible to see anything.

Like everybody else in FF6, Late Game everybody was a carbon copy of each other thanks to Magicite and leveling, if you did it right everybody had 99 in everything and knew all spells. The special skills meant almost nothing, 'cept for a few very notable exceptions.

Locke.......was not one of those exceptions. His only special command, Steal, didn't work all that often and when it did, the stuff you stole was LOL-worthy and his weapon choices were meh. You could stick him in the back row and use a ranged weapon. Probably your best bet through most of the first half of the game.



Zidane was pretty much your main physical DPS through a huge chunk of the game. Freya joined for awhile, then she left, you didn't get Steiner as a permanent member for a good long while, meanwhile Zidane was there, and he's always been there. There's also that Amarant guy, but again, he joins late and has all the problems any late-joiner has in many RPGs. Zidane had lots of time to learn all of his skills and things to really put him to good use, and once you started to where you could trance often... nobody else came close to the kind of damage Zidane was capable of wreaking. And those Swallow-type weapons were just ridiculously powerful compared to everybody else. And his ridiculous speed also compounded the problem a lot of other games had: The Main Character does most of the work, everybody else is just support.



Tidus wasn't even the Rogue/Thief, Rikku was. And Rikku was the one who had the Steal Ability in the first place (until someone else got to her area of the Sphere Grid which was NOT easy to do unless you were Kimahri. If you put Kimahri down Rikku's path, then you wound up with problems with a boss fight later on, because of how weak he ends up being if you do that. Yeah, Kimahri is awesome against machines if you send him down Rikku's path, but when he has to fight his cousins, you're in for some pain.

And Rikku.... Rikku was all about Item Support. Al-Bhed Potions were ridiculously powerful when you first got them (and ridiculously easy to get too!), the Mix command could do ridiculous things, and she Insta-killed all Machines with Steal. Oh and her Speed was ridiculous. So I guess we could say she had her own unique little things being a thief type class.



Yes... FF12... another "Everybody can be everything" game. See, this is why I enjoyed FF4 and FF9 the most -- who you are actually affected what you could do in the group. We didn't ever see Rosa smacking anything over the head with her cane and doing 9999, did we? No of course not. Let that job go to Cecil and Kain. Oh wait.

Thief/Ninja? Edge is calling; "He says Hello, remember me?" The problem with Edge, was his Steal almost never worked whatsoever. Thankfully he had Throw as well.

Anyways.

Characters and their jobs actually made a difference and you couldn't cheese the system (Magicite in FF6, Junction in FF8, Sphere Grid in FFX, Licenses in FF12) to make everybody overpowered demigods.

/rant off

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This.

One-Trick Ponies don't work in MMORPGs. They never did. Heck, Thief in FFXI is usually LOL-worthy, unless you REALLY need that Trick Attack. Otherwise, the only reason you want a THF is for Treasure Hunter, and that was only because of how Loot worked.

That, and FFXI had the whole "Job Overload" thing going with it, where they had far more jobs than we really needed and some of those jobs were just too close to each other (we have at least 4 jobs that swing 2H weapons and do high damage weaponskills with a couple nuances stacked on, for example).

FFXIV appears to be more about quality than quantity. Each Class is supposed to be unique in its own way, and no two classes should feel too similar to each other.

You're the only one who sounds/looks stupid. Nothing about your argument gives any good reason why we didn't get NIN and THF as separate classes as they play and feel completely different. With Arcanist for example, do SCH and SMN share that many similarities? No, they don't. It could have been done, but they chose not to do it.

Except for a handful of job abilities, the obviously different pets, and SMN cross-classing Archer while SCH cross-classes Conjurer, the spell/ability list is identical. They have same debuffs (even the AoE debuffs), the same Ruin spells, the same Rouse and Sustain pet buffs, the same Physick and Resurrect spells and they restore their MP the same way. It's only about 5 job abilities apiece that really distinguish them, surprisingly.

Most of them are probably playing. That attitude was just pure elitist *********

But anyway back OT:

NIN! Hell yes! I see where people are coming from with the THF complaint as that job has a very different vibe and look compared to NIN, but you'll get your fix with the Rogue class quests.