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#1 Jul 10 2014 at 12:24 PM Rating: Good
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Hey all...my wife and I both play on PS3 and have been since beta. We've gone through the ups and downs of the duty finder connection issues, D/C's, rubber banding, and for a good while things have been okay...except for fairly recently...

We have DSL and a Wireless Modem/Router combo. We both show signals around 90-95% consistently. When playing mostly in the evenings, my wife will run into severe rubber banding and frequent D/C's, to the point where it's really tough to do a dungeon. She experiences it outside a dungeon as well, but not as noticeable. My connection on the other hand, is 99% fine. Sometimes we'll see us both stop for a while and may D/C or snap back, but that's a once in a while thing. Usually I'm perfectly fine cruising along and she's hopping all over the place. Some nights, like the evening of 2.3 release, we were fine. Last night, we barely beat Tam-Tara (HM) as she was locking up all over the bosses. About the same time of day too.

Thoughts I've had:

1) Our connection: I've tested our speed on both PS3's and we're usually 8-9 Mbps and if I run at the exact same time, may be around 4-5. Both PS3's are close together, not seeing one way up and one way down. I was on in XIV and running the PS3 internet test and I found that I was a bit inconsistent with connecting to PSN or really slow connection. Found this mostly when I was in populated areas or zoning into populated areas, such as Grid or Mor Dhona. Have tried resetting router as well to no difference.

2) Her PS3: Since we're seeing issues with one but not the other, this crossed my mind, however her PS3 was bought at launch, mine is years old, and I've seen hers have a bit better loading speed than mine. Not much, but it's not like she's loading things seconds after I do.

3) XIV Server: While I know people that experience the same issues, I don't understand how I can be fine, she can have consistent issues across multiple days and logins. We've tried changing data centers and back as it was a suggestion, but that didn't seem to help either.

4) Wireless units for DirecTV: we recently altered our DirecTV setup to use wireless devices to connect other TV's boxes. I'm wondering if the traffic from that is conflicting with the traffic from our router and is just causing enough interference to cause her issues. But then, why not me too?

At this point I'm trying to move my modem/router where I can directly connect the PS3's to it and not use wireless. We're also testing a new Modem/Router and going to see if she persists when I'm not online. Does anyone have any thoughts of things we can try to troubleshot this? I'm so thrown off by one of our accounts having issues when the other doesn't even when both on the same network. Wonder if I need a router with more capabilities too.
#2 Jul 10 2014 at 3:20 PM Rating: Excellent
Based on what I know about NAT boxes and routers, I'll say it's #4. Most wireless routers only have two antennas inside them. When you start stacking on too many devices to wireless that are all pulling bandwidth together, it increases the number of packet collisions. Packet collisions = lag.

I'm a purist and I think you both might have better results if you could possibly run hardwired LAN cables to each of the PS3s. Wireless will always be inferior to good old fashioned CAT5 (unless you have Bluetooth or somesuch) and even just putting one of the systems on Ethernet will relieve the pressure on your router.
#3 Jul 11 2014 at 2:37 AM Rating: Good
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A while back i was stuck with the most horrendous delays and lag. Any interaction with any object or any battle would take 2 to 3 seconds before the action took place. Rediculous, even mining a single node took 60 seconds :/

Anyhow, you probably already tried this, but after days of struggling i finally powered down my router completely, resetting it, and upon the connection comming back up it was as good as ever. Better even since i also ran the latency fixer (which didnt help then, but did now, albeit slightly).

But yeah, what Cat is saying, cables. Less packet loss, less data needing to be send, and higher speeds as well (although irrelevant with the amount of data XIV sends). That's always a good reduction in latency for anything.
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#4 Jul 11 2014 at 7:58 AM Rating: Good
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Just like the other have suggested, first thing I would recommend is connecting via cable to eliminated other conflicts. Second what company is Directv using, since I have Directv I know they don't have their own internet service. Directv have contract with local internet providers like ATT to provide internet service. Some providers have proven to have issues FFXIV and at pick hours reduce the speed of data transfer. You may want to find out who really is providing your internet and see if there are any problems with that service too.

A friend had big lag problems with his game having a 50mb connection and the problem was with Time Warner. FFXIV uses very little data during gameplay so now he uses his phone with Verizon as a hot spot to play and his home internet to download the updates only.
#5 Jul 11 2014 at 8:52 AM Rating: Good
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Thanks guys for your thoughts. Cat...that's my current plan, however I've got a small snag that the modem/router is in a completely separate part of the house than the PS3's and while we can get them closer, it still will take a decent cable run to get there. I'll likely do it to try it out and if we see improvement, may consider paying to have a new phone jack placed closer to where our PS3's are. I spoke with someone from my DSL support and while he didn't have any really good answer, he suggested the same thing. So that's my next step!

Kojiro...yeah I've tried to reboot my router many times and it hasn't helped this situation. I haven't "reset" it as there was something I had to do 18 months ago to get it to pick up my internet and I had to call the modem/router support and get them to help me. But I'm not sure that's going to have much effect beyond rebooting.

Fede...I wasn't very clear...I have DirecTV for my TV needs but am bundled through CenturyLink (they manage billing) and my DSL is through them. I'm very sketchy on Satellite internet and not sure I'd trust it to do any gaming :)

To top it all off...I just found out I'm in a "bandwidth excess" again which made it unplayable for both of us last night. But that's unrelated, that's just crappy DSL situation :(

Thanks all! Happy to hear any further input, and will probably update as I get to try out hardwiring both PS3's.

Edited, Jul 11th 2014 10:57am by dawgdchi
#6 Jul 11 2014 at 9:36 AM Rating: Good
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Dawghchi if you have a smart phone like Samsung Galaxy S# or a Iphone, they have a option in them to make them a hotspot. There are plenty of videos online of how to activate your phone as a hotspot. My friend in the FC those that, after 2 hours of normal play it only use 10 MB of data. He uses his phone to play the game since it eliminated his lag issues. You may want to try that to confirm your DSL provider problems.
#7 Jul 11 2014 at 12:14 PM Rating: Excellent
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dawgdchi wrote:
Thanks guys for your thoughts. Cat...that's my current plan, however I've got a small snag that the modem/router is in a completely separate part of the house than the PS3's and while we can get them closer, it still will take a decent cable run to get there. I'll likely do it to try it out and if we see improvement, may consider paying to have a new phone jack placed closer to where our PS3's are. I spoke with someone from my DSL support and while he didn't have any really good answer, he suggested the same thing. So that's my next step!

Kojiro...yeah I've tried to reboot my router many times and it hasn't helped this situation. I haven't "reset" it as there was something I had to do 18 months ago to get it to pick up my internet and I had to call the modem/router support and get them to help me. But I'm not sure that's going to have much effect beyond rebooting.

Fede...I wasn't very clear...I have DirecTV for my TV needs but am bundled through CenturyLink (they manage billing) and my DSL is through them. I'm very sketchy on Satellite internet and not sure I'd trust it to do any gaming :)

To top it all off...I just found out I'm in a "bandwidth excess" again which made it unplayable for both of us last night. But that's unrelated, that's just crappy DSL situation :(

Thanks all! Happy to hear any further input, and will probably update as I get to try out hardwiring both PS3's.

Edited, Jul 11th 2014 10:57am by dawgdchi


As an alternative, you might want to look into a wireless repeater (though they're often sold under the name "Range Extenders"). The wireless adapter on the PS3 is lousy in the best of times. A repeater could serve to bridge the wireless gap to where the console is located and then you can use a wire to make it the rest of the way. You may get better results if you can transmit in the 5GHz band which should have less interference from external sources on account of being relatively new.
#8 Jul 11 2014 at 12:37 PM Rating: Good
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Another option to consider if your building's wiring is at all up to date are powerline adapters. Basically these are devices that plug straight into the wall and use your building's wiring as an ethernet network. It will tend to be faster and more reliable than wireless networking, though still not as good as an actual hard ethernet connection.

I would probably avoid this if your wiring is very old or out of code though as I'm not sure exactly what the increased signal load would do to bad wiring. Might suck.
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#9 Jul 11 2014 at 12:41 PM Rating: Excellent
Back when we lived in a really old house we ran the cables through the ceiling tiles.

Actually, come to think of it, when I was growing up we had our cable drops through the ceiling, too.

It's not exactly pretty but if you own your house you can just drills holes through the attic or floor and run the cables that way.
#10 Jul 11 2014 at 12:48 PM Rating: Good
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We do own our house...the easiest solution would be to move our gaming setup back to it's old location and then run a wire across the wall/ceiling edge to where we need it. Not incredibly sexy, but it'd work. Would have to drill through a nice hardwood floor to go down, wouldn't be too excited about that.

Xoie...the wireless signal when I've tested it seems to be fairly strong...I've never seen below 85% and that's through a few walls on another floor. Typically I'm 95-99%.

Callinon...I've seen in house intercoms that use something that sounds similar. I don't think it's too old or out of date, so may be an option if we just can't get another good solution worked up.

This would be a lot easier if they would have set up more than the one jack for DSL >.<
#11 Jul 11 2014 at 1:28 PM Rating: Excellent
I hear that.

Our house was built in 2008 and they ran 8 different cable lines to the living room and three bedrooms. They ran 0 Ethernet lines anywhere. I priced out getting someone to replace the cable drops with net drops and it'd be a thousand bucks for the whole house. Not worth it.

So my computer desk lives next to the phone jack with the DSL connected to it, I get the Ethernet connection, and everyone else has to suffer with wireless. I paid extra for a business class router though so we have four antenna in the NAT box. Smiley: nod
#12 Jul 14 2014 at 8:51 AM Rating: Excellent
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So played around with some readjustments. Took my wife's PS3 and set her up in the kitchen (>.<), but got her plugged into our router and I was still wireless. Instantly she was fine, and I was lagging horribly just like she was.

Next we took up about half our kitchen counters and relocated everything, but had both setups there, and both plugged in, and we both were able to play just fine :) So definitely think there was some prioritization going on, and wiring in without a doubt helps out.

Looks like I may be able to redirect my DSL to a different jack in the house without having to pay for it (thank you for relatives that know this stuff) so may have a solution tonight! Thank you all for all the input!
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