Need some help understanding a guideFollow

the guide in question is this one:

http://www.ffxivguild.com/ff14-arr-doh-crafting-gear-guide-endgame-l50-maximum-materia-melds/#stats

Now the details that I need help with are, in his guide Im wearing all the HQ equipment and accessories he mentions except that Im using the dodore accessories HQ (except rings as there are no dodore rings for DoH) and mosshorn earrings HQ which have high base stats than the gear he suggests. Now the way I understand his guide is as follows. Ill use two things in his guide as examples:


The Body is supposed to be Blacksmiths apron HQ Off hand is supposed to be militia file HQ

Now heres where the confusion comes in... his guide has meld off hand and body as such:

Chest - Command IV, Crafts IV, Crafts IV, Crafts II, Command I.

Off-hand – Command IV, Crafts IV, Command III, Command III, Command I.


Now since hes not using specific materia names and a lot of the craft materia starts with "craftsman's" in the title, stating Craft II or Craft IV confuses a lotta people after they dont know WHICH craft II or Craft IV to use, but based on everything else he listed the way I understand it.. using those two as an example would be on Body Id first meld the Command tier IV materia (as theres only one set of tiered materia with Command in the title) then for Crafts IV Id meld TWO of the Tier IV crafting materia that raises Craftman's ship, then for Crafts II Id meld the tier II materia that raises craftman's ship (and not a materia that raises craftman's ship by +2 as there is none seeing as the tier I materia that raises craftman's ship does it by +3), then finally Id meld the tier I Command materia (as theres only one set of tiered materia with Command in the title)

Then following the same logic Id do the same with offhand. Id first meld the Command tier IV materia (as theres only one set of tiered materia with Command in the title) then for Crafts IV Id meld ONE of the Tier IV crafting materia that raises Craftman's ship, then for Command III Id meld TWO of the Command tier III materia (as theres only one set of tiered materia with Command in the title), then finally Id meld the tier I Command materia (as theres only one set of tiered materia with Command in the title).

Also although this doesnt pertain to body or offhand any piece in that guide that says something like CP +3 I assume that means meld the materia that raises CP by +3 as such materia DOES exist. So having melded everything on blacksmith using the equipment I listed and the logic I stated. everything else is melded as the guide specifies.

Now heres the major confusion and which is where I need either MY math corrected or the guide makers math corrected the guide states:

If maximized, you will have around 397 Craftsmanship, 382 control without food or buffs. Which is 6 and 8 above the minimum needed, respectively.


Now Im using better accessories than the ones he sated so I have better base stats on accessories and I have every meld he listed (i didnt use any of the "alternate" melds he listed) except the last two on body. Now the guide says I should have 397 Craftsmanship, 382 control WITHOUT food or buffs. Yet with only two melds missing and no food or buffs plus accessories with higher base stats than the ones his guide mentioned I only have 357 craftsmanship and 361 control, and I seriously doubt those last two melds are gonna give me the additional 40 craftmanship and 25 control Im supposed to have soooooo what have I done wrong? (or what has that guide done wrong)? Thanks in advance for anyone who actually gives a helpful answer.


Edit: looking over the guide again I see that I have max meldable stats in EVERY slot except offhand which should be able to have a max meld of one part says Craftmanship 19, control 11 and 6 CP while the other says 19 craftmanshship 8 control and 3 CP whereas my offhand melds are giving me 6 craftmansship and 11 control with no + to CP, so even if I corrected that mistake and added the extra 13 craftmansship took out 3 control and added 3-6 CP. I would still be no where close to this supposed 397 Craftsmanship, 382 control without food or buffs. Soooooo someone please help clear that up for me?




Edited, Jul 24th 2014 12:15pm by DuoMaxwellxx

As far as melds on the offhand tool, the caps on those Militia offhands are so high that it's impossible to max out everything with just 5 melds. Thankfully, you don't need to max out anything on them. I have just Control III and Craftmanship II (for +3 control, +4 craftsmanship) melded to my offhand and I can still hit the minimum stats required for 3 star recipes.

i didnt touch head at all as the guide even says dont bother. as for the weapon im using its the one you get from the lvl 50 class quest just as the guide states. so if i melded everything corrctly as the guide states then why dont i have 397 craft 382 control the guide mentions? is it even possible to get those stats from melding any of the il55 stuff? if not then where is he pulling those numbers from? lastly ciuld i even hq 3 star with 361 craft and 357-361 control?

ok so based on everything i think i figured it out. the melds in his guide wh h will give you roughly 361 craft and control would allow you to do the 2 star hqs that youd need to get the new weapon and artisan hat, and the stats from the new weaon and hat would put you at the 397 craft and 382 control in his guide which will then make it possible to start trying 3 star hqs. so does that sound about right?

ok how about this guide. Im trying to make the HQ 2 star items for my master recipe books.. however this guide states:

http://www.garytay.net/ffxiv-crafting-100-hq-2-stars-set-crafting-gear/

that id need the following stats:

Craftsmanship 347 (no more, no less)
Control 318-340 (318 to do HQ 2Stars – 340 for 100% HQ 2Stars with NQ mats, 340++ for higher chance of 100% for 40DUR)
CP: 340-342 (Capped) – You would want to hit 342 Cap to eat cheap food NQ Bouillabaisse, it’s very cheap to cap CP so there’s no point not hitting 342.


My craftmanship is 361, my control is 362 and my CP is 381 with food... yet when I use the 2 star 89 durability macro, my quality bar (with nq mats) only goes up maybe halfway and before I can use all 6 macros (since relying solely on always getting an Excellent condition for HQ would be stupid), the synthesis either breaks (notice the lack of Waste Not's in that rotation, I mean if you have to use all 6 macros and only use WN once surely youre gonna run outta durability first) or my CP gets so low I find it unfathomable that Ill pull off he last 1-2 macros with the amount of CP left, am I doin something wrong or is that guide wrong? Because considering Im way higher than the guides stat requirements would to me mean I should be able to do this even easier than the guide writer who had worse stats. Im having the exact same issue with this guide too:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/107998-Crafting-100-Success-100-HQ-2-Star-Items

ok i think i know why the rotations arent working.. im trying to 2 star the cooking one since its ingredients are cheaper it would be an easy way to get one craft hand and he artisan head, however it seems cooking requires double the progress and quality of the other items which is why I cant craft it using those rotations... soo guess i need a cooking rotation?

yeah i know theres 6 macros but you dont do em all you choose another one depending on if you have excellent condition or not. (which ive yet to have an excellent) also Im not making sauteed corule Im making spicy tomato relish which you need 10 for the artisan spectacles and 50 for the weapon, as for the relish it requires more quality the other 2 star items require like 2-3k quality spicy tomato relish is over 5k+ quality and it requires more progress which in turn would mean more synths needed (and most likely some mends) than the other 2 star HQ recipe rotations right?

then is there a guide that does? because Ive tried the 40 durability dark steel hooks using a 40 dur rotation on that same guide and I can HQ those just fine.... soo what about the 80s?

i found a rotation that works (even with NQ mats) 80-90% of the time but now I have another question. When someone is shouting for a "master blacksmith" for example. What are they expecting said blacksmith to have? with the artisan head and wepon (plus the proper meld of the HQ il55 crafting gear) and the master recipe books you get from field/battlecraft demimateria be enough? or are they expecting you to have those new blue weapons as well?