PVP play style in PVE content. Follow

To start off, I play pvp FL as SCH a lot and WD when I need it for the challenge log. I play pvp far more then pve, I personally find it more challenging as a SCH.

I was doing a ST yesterday as SCH and there was a WHM there. Midway through the first boss, he starts ******** at me because he felt he was solo curing the party, which he was not. He kept yelling at me because I was not using physick. I explained that it is not needed for ST and that I find Ald to be far more effective. This does not mean I was spamming Ald, nor was I waiting til a members hp was below 75%. i would throw it on whom ever needed it, and while they are galvanized I would swap to cleric stance and slap some dots on the boss, all the while micro managing Eos for cover minor cures. Physick is good but I find Ald provides me a buffer and allows me to do more then just curing such as keeping dots up and refreshing members with SS for those big AOEs.


We did just fine on the run, no deaths whatsoever for our team. Again the whm kept ******** at me for how I played SCH. I explained that if this method is good enough to keep my team alive in FL then it is good enough to keep a group alive in ST. Am I wrong for playing pve like I play pvp? I know that pve content has mechanics that you need to know to beat it, so Aslong as I know the content, does it really matter how I beat it?

Comes down to an old debate similar to the ones about speedruns.

It doesnt really matter how you do it. But it seemed to me that the current way made the White Mage stress out tremendously for needing to cure, while you basicly topped everyone off with a stoneskin effect and DPS'd. If your playstyle for any reason causes more stress than time it saves, it's probably not good to rely on that too much.

If the White Mage had to do most of the healing or atleast felt like he had to, it does simply mean that you were focusing on the DPS aspect a little too much. It's Syrcus Tower, there's no DPS rush needed, no instant fail mechanics that can only be avoided if you too DPS. And the total contribution of your damage is greatly deminished if you look at the big picture. Even if a fight were to take 5 minutes, you have 15 DPS, they each would have contributed to 20 seconds worth of damage. If you would have done as well as they did, it still would have speeded up the entire fight by only the 20 seconds a DPS contributes. And then still, you're more than likely do deal less than 50% of the damage of a true proper DPS though. And that's with focusing on DPS only as a SCH. I dont think you would have hit even 25%. The time you saved by handing a DPS-heavy play style opposed to the time the White Mage in your party was stressing out because of it just wouldnt have been worth it.

Finishing in 4:55 (25% of one DPS) opposed to 5:00 just isnt worth it. Heck, finishing in 4:40 (if you had 100% of the output of a true DPS) opposed to 5:00 still wouldnt be worth it. And yes, that's truly how little a DPS contributes, and how little your DPS as a scholar contributes to the fight as well, especialy half curing and half keeping DoT's up.

Just stick to curing, less work for you, less stress for the white mage (or any other healer you will get next).
If the extra few seconds dont make or break the run (i.e. T5 or Second Coil stuff), then there's very little reason to DPS, even if you feel it doesnt hurt the healing you can do and that you can do both.

Sadly the only thing about that though is SCH's doesn't have as potent of a Regen or 3 AoE cures, so WHM will almost always do more raw curing if you're purely looking at numbers, then throw in that SCH's speciality is the fact their secondary heals are for the shield rather than actual cures. So unless the WHM is way UNDER yours, healing when looking at a SCH+Eos/Selene count will always be about where it should, since the fairy pulls the most weight if you use them properly.

If they were holy spamming then their complaints have no solid ground.

While true, the point was that if we asume the average of all DPS is around 300 DPS, with each of them roughly contributing 20 seconds of a 5 minute fight. Then you doing 150 DPS is only going to speed the entire fight up by about 10 seconds. If you cure as well as keep debuffs up, your DPS is going to be even lower, especially with the moving around you have to do in there. I'm not saying a SCH cant DPS. I'm saying that there's no need for a SCH to focus on DPS when it shaves ~10 seconds off a fight, while your White Mage stresses out, and that it is less desirable than taking 10 seconds longer with the fight by focusing on healing and everyone being happy.

If it were Coil, i'd more than agree with you. Do whatever you can to keep everyone alive and deal as much damage as possible. ST is stressful enough for some roles, and there's certainly enough drama going around. Just cure and not worry too much about damage if you're on SCH. :)