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For the Novus weapons I am doing my Whm weapon and Tesee is doing her bow..
Tesee is almost done with her alexandrites and I have a couple weeks to go..

We started looking at what material that should be melded and you can do 75..

Started lookin at Tesee’s bow and obviously She should cap crit at 44 and add what accuracy she needs and the rest on determination for the best stats..
Crit material can be melded at around 11 per tier.. So the last 11 would be tier 4 and Tier 4 crit material is going for almost 300,000 gil.. Holy cow just the last tier would cost 3.3 million not to mention the cost of the first 3 tiers..

Mine is worse since I need to cap determination at 31 and tier 4 materia is at 450,000 gil…
I realize these are secondary stats but if you want the best it is extremely expensive..

Spirt bonding is so bad for high level gear and you have no idea what your are going to get.. You spirit bind a piece of gathering equipment and get accuracy.. Why?: wouldn’t you think you would get gathering stats.

So now it comes down to has the most cash has the best relic weapon.. Insane..

What are other people doing? staying away from tier 4 materia for theirs?

Tes could go 33 for crit. 20 for accuracy 22 for dex.. This would save millions but give only slightly less stats...

I am pretty much SOL because Det is the only really good stat.. Next is piety which is ok and Spell speed is useless...
What would you put on a whm relic?










Edited, Sep 3rd 2014 1:06pm by Nashred

I think most people are just doing hunts for their i110 weaps with Sands of Time, or making trifecta Novus weapons with Crit/Det/Acc or Skillspeed (depending where you stand on that stat). Maxing Crit/Det is really just for min/maxers as the benefits of maxing Crit/Det is hardly worth the 5mil + price tag (price will vary by server). I started building my Novus on mnk, but while doing Hunts I managed to get my Rosenbogen and already have enough for Glanzfaust, so Novus kind of took a backseat. I'll keep at it just cause relics will be upgradeable every so often, but I don't see the point of min/maxing one unless you have excess gil.

Also, there was talk about re-arranging Novus once it was complete, meaning make it cheap now and if that Tier IV materia drops in price, change it. It's quite the funny system they have in place right now, but it is what it is.

It's an extremely nice bow, I have used it in T6/7 without acc problems no misses (Animus equipped 528 acc, Rosenbogeb 488). I have yet to try the new bow in T8 but would like to think being at 488 would be enough as I would be attacking from flank/behind (not sure until i get in there and use the bow and look at the results).

Opinions vary widely on this, but I think you can't look at spell speed on White Mage the same way you would a speed boost on other jobs. Since the focus of White Mage is healing, I'm not convinced looking at it like you would DPS makes sense. Whereas you don't gain long term "efficiency" from your limited supply of MP, you're not really on a mission to burn your pool of MP in its entirety in the first place.

There are critical moments in battle, however, where burning through your healing spells quickly is highly desired, and Presence of Mind with its huge cooldown isn't always at your beck and call, either. Determination and Crit isn't going to do a thing to deliver your Esuna spam any better. Spell speed does, and it can make the difference between godly healing in a crisis and "Sorry, I didn't have time to get to you." Determination and crit can work well when you're only healing one person, but it's not so great when you have several people to help at the same time beyond what a Medica cast can do and those situations crop up all the time.

It's not to say that "spell speed is right for you," but it's not as useless as you might think. In the right hands, and the right situations, I think it can be a valuable asset.

I think Piety is also a good place to invest. Since MP recovery is pretty lousy on White Mages, starting from higher up on the MP mountain means you don't have to beg for a bard quite as often. It's too bad Shroud of Saints doesn't scale to max MP, but your native MP regeneration will benefit.

Critical cures can be nice when they're well timed, but they're a little too unreliable when you need them in a pinch.

And as for Determination, it's probably the most popular choice among white mages, and who am I to argue with public opinion?

I've had both (yes/no) with the Bow in both Turns 6/7

Crit isn't huge for brd, since they have their +10% straight shot and internal release (10% increase 1/4 of the time). As your crit hit rate gets higher, it boosts the benefit from other stat increases, but not itself. There's still not any other great options besides DET, but you could skip the last 11 and use it for ACC or skill speed instead.

As mentioned by Turin, bloodletter is reset anytime one of your DoTs does critical damage, which is completely dependant on your crit rating and straight shot/internal release. After accuracy (for coil), crit is a very important stat for a brd.

Edited, Sep 4th 2014 8:31am by BartelX

I am guessing this is the same for DRG? I was talking this over in last night with a dragoon?

What is funny this really is the first time I have seen people saying Det is more important than Crit for Brd.. Problem is on our server Determination is running almost 500,000 for tier IV and that is not going to happen... Doing up to tier III yes...

I do get the point.. with crit you get big burst of damage with less in between... With Det you get larger hits per hit...

AS a whm I am toast on a relic unless I want to spend over 5 million... I just dont have that..



Montsegurnephcreep I hear you.. I may have to get one of the UAT weapons till DET prices drop...



One thing is if you put these stats on it and they are gimped you may be stuck with them for ever...


Anyone know if SE said their are going to be more upgrades to this weapon in the future?


Edited, Sep 4th 2014 9:01am by Nashred

Well Tes finished hers. She pretty much added what accuracy she might needed and then added Det and Crit up too tier 4.. (she used no tier 4).
She had 5 tier 3 materia fail in a row, Wow..

I have to say this is ridiculous.
For me to even do a weapon right I would need tier 4 det and on my server it is going to cost almost 500,000 for Tier IV determination and it can friken fail. Why should one person novus be hundreds of thousands and another be in the millions.. No way I am spending 500,000 on tier 4 det and have a chance to have it fail.. SE should not have had the relic be based on money or the materia cost should have been the same for everyone. I just dont have that kind of money.

I may go with the UAT weapon instead for now till prices change or SE changes this or I need to figure out where to put my stats to not gimp my weapon, especially long term if these stats carry over to the next upgrade.

I know these are secondary stats and they dont mean as much.. The Novus is still a upgrade with just the base stats over the last weapon but I dont want to gimp my weapon too much either.

Other than DET the other stats are spell speed and piety for whm. Acc is not needed unless I am doing damage. Crit is risky and crits at the wrong time can pull lots of hate.
I need 75 total added in stats:

Spell Speed caps at 44 points, Piety caps at 33 points and Determination caps at 31 points.

Det is by tier 7,8,8,8 I believe.

Even if I go 1/2 way through DET tier IV before they fail that is a total of 27.
Than what do I do with the rest of the stats?

Too bad Det didn't cap at 44 like some of the other stats, this way you could put 33 on before hitting Tier 4 where the large jumps in cost are. Plus you can go 1/2 way in without chance of fail so that is 39.. 39 is better than 27.






Edited, Sep 8th 2014 10:57am by Nashred

I'll be ready to start melding on my mnk in a week. Still trying to figure out what to do. I guess crit/det would be the best way to go, but I don't think I can justify the cost. I'll probably go det/crit/acc. Putting cost aside, I currently have 483 acc, 40 of that is from my animus. I can't imagine losing 40 acc to get crit/det.

T4 Det is 500-600k on my server too. I think I'll go crit/det up to t3, a couple t4 as I did get a few from spiritbonding. Then throw the rest in acc. For monk, the soldiery chest piece is crit/det and the ST chest piece is acc/det. If I'm in a pinch, I could use that for acc. Like you said, these are secondary stats, 5mil for +8 det, just isn't worth it. Besides, my coil group just fell apart, I think I'm going to take a break from raiding until 2.4 anyway.

You mean the thread that isn't actually an original, but a copy of a previously existing bodybuilding thread?

See here.

Yea I have been debating that.. I wanted to do that on my other job though but WHM is my main..