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A New Way for RMT to be AnnoyingFollow

#1 Sep 08 2014 at 12:15 PM Rating: Excellent
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Not sure if this has happened to anybody else, but it seems some RMT are up to new tricks.

Before, they'd just send you a /tell and that's it.

But I've started getting a /tell and then immediately thereafter, the same guy will send me a Friend Request.

Because he sent me a Friend Request, the game will NOT let me blacklist him. So I click on the friend request notification, and I click "No", then try to blacklist him again. Still won't let me. So I open my friend list, and... even though I said no, it still added him to my friendlist!

So, I must now delete him from my friendlist manually (even though I said no), and THEN I can blacklist him. Freaking Annoying as crap.

Hopefully SE will patch this out ASAP to allow us to blacklist someone (which also auto-declines their friend request AND removes them from the friend list). Just wanted to give some heads up.
#2 Sep 08 2014 at 12:18 PM Rating: Excellent
Yes, started happening to me last night. I reported it via the Support Desk, and got a reply that they've had a lot of reports about it.

All they need to do is allow you to blacklist someone with an active friend request open, and the problem goes away.
#3 Sep 08 2014 at 12:27 PM Rating: Excellent
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I got a couple of these yesterday too... also had to open my friend's list to manually delete them from it then I was able to blacklist... agreed this is a pain.
#4 Sep 08 2014 at 1:41 PM Rating: Good
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Never happened to me yet but Tes started telling me this has been happening to her for a few weeks.
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#5 Sep 08 2014 at 6:16 PM Rating: Good
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Man, if only they could put that creative persistency to a good use...
#6 Sep 08 2014 at 6:38 PM Rating: Good
This has happened to about 3 times now. What they have been doing is sending me two friend requests and tells. It seems like it happens all at once.
#7 Sep 08 2014 at 6:38 PM Rating: Decent
This has happened to about 3 times now. What they have been doing is sending me two friend requests and tells. It seems like it happens all at once.
#8 Sep 08 2014 at 10:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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It's been going on for a few weeks at least from what I've read on the OF with other servers, and yeah I've been getting the same thing. What I do to combat this or now is type out /blist add <r> and then press esc to lose focus on textarea. Goto social tab and decline hit yes, hit spacebar that focus text and enter and spam to make sure it accepts before they send another one.

The funny thing is people have been asking to limit tells to just people on our friends list or fc list, looks like they found a way to get passed the friends list block (that hasnt even been setup yet) by sending you an invite and then sending their spam.
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#9 Sep 09 2014 at 7:09 AM Rating: Good
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SillyHawk wrote:
It's been going on for a few weeks at least from what I've read on the OF with other servers, and yeah I've been getting the same thing. What I do to combat this or now is type out /blist add <r> and then press esc to lose focus on textarea. Goto social tab and decline hit yes, hit spacebar that focus text and enter and spam to make sure it accepts before they send another one.

The funny thing is people have been asking to limit tells to just people on our friends list or fc list, looks like they found a way to get passed the friends list block (that hasnt even been setup yet) by sending you an invite and then sending their spam.


All they'd need to do is make it so that if someone sends you an Friendlist request, you can decline from there, AND if they send you a /tell, bring back the Blacklist option.

Blacklisting someone in the chatlog should immediately remove their friend request, decline, it AND remove them from your friend list (that shouldn't even be there in the first place if you said no).

What I don't understand...

1). Why can't I blacklist someone if they sent me a friend request?
2). Why is it, when I say NO, they still end up in my friend list? (this is the part that totally bugs me, and makes no freaking sense whatsoever)

All they gotta do is fix #1 and #2 and we're back to 2-seconds-of-annoyance again that is easily fixed with two mouseclicks.
#10 Sep 09 2014 at 7:58 AM Rating: Decent
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What I dont get is why they are so annoying and why they want to get around the system.. If I black list them it means I dont why to buy from them, Them trying to get around the system doesn't make me want to buy from them it just makes them more annoying.
Why do they have to spam their messages every 2 minutes and sometimes continually. They dont think I saw it the first time?

All they really do is tick people off and cause SE to go after them even more. If they didnt tick people off so much SE would not be after them so bad.. Lets face it those that are going to buy will seek them out anyway..



Edited, Sep 9th 2014 10:00am by Nashred
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#11 Sep 09 2014 at 9:21 AM Rating: Excellent
They will go away only when people stop buying.

They've pretty much abandoned FFXI now. It's nice.
#12 Sep 09 2014 at 11:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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The most effective advertisement isn't necessarily the kind that people like the most. It's the kind that gets their brand stuck in people's memories.

There have been plenty of commercials over the years that I thought were particularly entertaining, but I can't for the life of me tell you what the product was. Meanwhile, I have seen plenty of aweful commercials with annoying jingles that have gotten stuck in my head.
#13 Sep 09 2014 at 11:30 AM Rating: Excellent
Think about Mr Clean products, and the jingle will be in your head in five seconds. One of the last true jingles out there.

Comcast has been trying with their telephone number as the refrain of a little hip-hop ditty, but all I can remember is the annoying "nine nine nine!" part at the end.

One of the most effective advertising campaigns in the last few years has been Old Spice Man. The commercials have seeped into pop culture, and has introduced the smell to a new generation of men. (I forbid my husband from wearing it.... because it's what my dad wore and that'd be weird.)

As for the RMT advertisements, they really only have two demographics:
- Players who are new to MMOs and who are frustrated by their inability to make gil (and who don't know how much RMT are looked down upon)
- Players who are MMO veterans and who have no qualms about Buy To Win, e.g. the rich ******** out there. I was horrified to learn that the boss I really liked at one of my old companies fit into this category. He spent so much money when Diablo III came out.... Smiley: laugh

Demographics they will never sell to:
- Players who are new to MMOs but have entrepreneurial spirit and can exploit the markets for cash before they hit level 50 (have one of those in our FC. He made six million gil just messing around with buying and selling lightning shards by the time he was level 35.)
- MMO veterans who know the damage RMT can cause to an in-game economy and make money by more traditional methods (like me, master crafter go!)
- MMO veterans who figured out real fast that gil doesn't mean a lot in FFXIV

There's no way to tell which players are in those demographics in game, so they just spam and annoy everybody in the hopes of hitting the sweet spot.
#14 Sep 09 2014 at 3:13 PM Rating: Decent
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Looks to me like they are trying to find a way to prevent being blacklisted all together.
#15 Sep 09 2014 at 4:08 PM Rating: Excellent
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Ironically, they were better off being mildly annoying because most people had given up on reporting them and just opted for a simple /blacklist. But now that they've upped their game by being even more antagonizing, they'll just get picked off more frequently.
#16 Sep 09 2014 at 6:48 PM Rating: Excellent
You can decline the friend's list invitation in Friends and then immediately blacklist them - and you can do so by right clicking their name in the chat log where it recorded the friend request, even if they didn't send you a tell.

Three or four extra steps of annoyance.

If you ignore them long enough, the character will get banned, but the friend's request doesn't go away...
#17 Sep 10 2014 at 9:42 AM Rating: Good
The trouble with that is this:

-- If you're in the middle of a fight, you can right-click and blacklist them from the chat window without breaking stride.
-- If you have to take time to bring up the Friends window first, you're risking a wipe.

That, as I said to the Support Desk, shifts it from annoyance to harassment.
#18 Sep 10 2014 at 12:18 PM Rating: Decent
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Laverda wrote:
The trouble with that is this:

-- If you're in the middle of a fight, you can right-click and blacklist them from the chat window without breaking stride.
-- If you have to take time to bring up the Friends window first, you're risking a wipe.

That, as I said to the Support Desk, shifts it from annoyance to harassment.

They don't know that you're in the middle of a fight, so I don't think you have a case to claim that it's harassment any more than it would be when they're messaging you any other time. Also, you can't send /tells to people who are in any kind of instanced content, which is the vast majority of difficult fights where this would matter.

You also always have the option to wait until after you're done with a fight to take care of any blisting.
#19 Sep 10 2014 at 1:10 PM Rating: Good
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They don't know that you're in the middle of a fight, so I don't think you have a case to claim that it's harassment any more than it would be when they're messaging you any other time. Also, you can't send /tells to people who are in any kind of instanced content, which is the vast majority of difficult fights where this would matter.


Doesn't really matter what you call it, RMT Spam is RMT Spam. All they need to do is do a hotfix where we can deal with this annoyance easier, than everything'll be back to the way it was. They're just exploiting an oversight/bug (can't blist while they have a pending friend invite) to annoy us. All they gotta do is fix the oversight/bug.
#20 Sep 10 2014 at 2:18 PM Rating: Decent
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Lyrailis wrote:
Doesn't really matter what you call it, RMT Spam is RMT Spam.

It does matter what you call it. Harassment is harassment. First world problems aren't harassment.
#21 Sep 10 2014 at 7:36 PM Rating: Good
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svlyons wrote:
Lyrailis wrote:
Doesn't really matter what you call it, RMT Spam is RMT Spam.

It does matter what you call it. Harassment is harassment. First world problems aren't harassment.


So apparently it is OK to send RMT Spam as long as it isn't considered "Harassment", eh? lol.

The reason why it doesn't matter what you call it, is that it is a bannable offense regardless of whether or not it is harassment. The characters sending the /tells will get banned or deleted either way, so it doesn't matter if they truly were guilty of harassment or just being annoying.
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