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FYI

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/topics/detail/83c65f341837d9ae40730f8728dce5fa6bcb9567

I saw this yesterday and it looks pretty cool.

I know allot of people will be looking forward to this though.. I just dont know how some keep all there jobs geared...

My problem is I cant keep up with WHM and BRD and keeping them geared plus crafting and gathering jobs...

Personally I wish before they added a new job they would have spent the resources providing some new content to do with existing jobs..
Same as the new gear.. I just finished my WHM I 110 gear and started BRD. I am not ready for new gear.. I wish they would spend time on new type of content to enjoy with my existing job and new gear...



Edited, Oct 10th 2014 10:46am by Nashred

Nice non-preview.

Here's hoping they actually change the other jobs as well with Rogue coming in. Would love to see Monk drop MRD for ROG as a sub for cross class skills. Highly doubtful.

NIN is to be treated by the game as a melee dps (sorry DRG and MNK, your queues are going to blow for a while).

Its primary stat is almost certainly STR. But we'll have to wait and see how its magical abilities are handled. My guess is they'll just be derived from attack power the same way MNK and DRG DoTs are. So determination will likely be the best secondary stat to pick up.

Honestly, until we have some math to disagree, I'd just gear it like a MNK and call it a day.

The more things change...

Alas, it doesn't generally work that way.

Sure you'd have the people trying a new class just because it's new. But for someone to stick with tanking as a role they have to like tanking, and that's not something a new class can usually fix.

SE has strongly implied that a new tank IS in the works for the expansion, but I'd be reluctant to believe that it will generate new tanks.



Yeah, it was weird what happened when they gave players a spell that let them avoid all damage.. no one could possibly have seen THAT coming.

People seem to often choose classes based on the weapons they use, armor, animations, theme, etc. and not their role.

question what FF jobs could be added that could be repurposed into a tank? If they add 2-handed sword as a tank job, I'll smack someone

Yeah. it's just too bad that in FF14 everything has to be a neat little 'dps', 'healer', or 'tank' package. I'll probably never get blue mage.

Thats not really a fair way of looking at it. The main reason red mage got pigeon holed into a backline job was because of elemental staves. The stats on those were so rediculously over powered, that playing red mage as intended (frontline melee caster) would mean gimping yourself. If a sword existed that boosted spells like the staves did, then they would have seen much more versatility in which roles they played. And lets not forget that rdm tanking was a thing also. Not so common, but it wasnt bad. Red mage was one of the best kiters in the game since they had many tools available to them.

I dislike that jobs here can only function as one thing. So far though, because of the way the game is designed, it doesnt matter how much versatility a job has. Theres no place at all to use that versatility outside of coil. The only job that is even remotely versatile is sch since they can heal and put out a decent amount of damage. But you wouldnt replace a real dps with a sch anyway.

I also have to disagree about the issue of eternal debates. Debating is what draws out new ideas and tactics. You would be called crazy if you said certain NM or missions were soloable, yet a certain red mage showed us the impossible, and how powerful that job was. From there people started experimenting with all kinds of things. Jobs, spell combos, you name it. It was way more interesting that way. Unfortunately yoshi seems to think we are incapable of thinking critically and designed the game so a 4 year old could understand it. This makes it much less interesting to experiment, and even less interesting to discover the job you intend to play. My main back in the day was ninja. I played it as a tank (obviously), as a DPS (i made a few people change their opinions on this after utterrly humilating some of those 2 hand jobs), and was my solo job of choice. If you ask anyone what a ninja was they would tell you it was a tank. But really, it was so much more. This kind of diversity is nonexistant in 14 which is a real shame since it removes a lot of what makes discovering a job so fun.

Lastly, who cares what others think. If you find success in playing a certain way, who has the right to tell you it is wrong? Of course someone will say something about it. But thats when you show them what you can do. Im proud to say i never only looked for a cookie cutter way to beat content. A thf might not have been the best dps, but theres no fight that cant be won with them in the party. Except for the cop mission snoll fight. That was just badly designed.

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Blah blah blah stay in school blah blah blah.

How often did you really get to do all those things though? Was it possible for a RDM to do all that stuff? Sure. Would a party ever let you? Yeah right.

Admittedly I haven't played FFXI in several years (I left in 2010) but my RDM memories mostly involve "main heal or GTFO." It's not 2004 any more. My RDM was 75 but I ended up mostly abandoning it in favor of other jobs simply because I didn't want to main heal all the time (which is pretty much all RDM did from '06 on.) "Jack of all trades, master of none" sounds great on paper but has no real use in 99% of party settings.

FFXIV's set job roles may be more limiting, but it also tells you what you're getting into right off the bat instead of pulling a bait and switch once you hit endgame.

This sounds like the sort of thing that they'd have to have created the game with in mind. I can't help but think that adding it now would be a disaster.

What about the one role jobs? ACN/SMN can branch into tanking (via Titan or Topaz Carbuncle) or spam Physick to be a maybe-passable healer, but a MNK or BLM doesn't have other options. Advantaging some jobs and not other jobs would lead to a such a mess that just the thought of those flamewars makes me shudder.

If a group wants a non-standard configuration, then I would think that it's best to create a FC or PF group for it. If somebody, say Catwho (using a FC mate here, I don't think she'll hold it against me), told me "Ill, I want to go WAR DPS, will you tank for me?" I'd say "Sure, let's get some of our FC mates in on this" and get them into it. I wouldn't want to spring it on a random group because, well, we've seen all the complaints here about people they don't know (a) not playing the role they should and (b) not being open enough to accept new things.

BLU would probably just be a DPS, but they will probably add SAM first before BLUE for a new DPS after NIN gets here methinks.

"Jack of all trades, suck at them all..." was a line I used frequently in the past when discussing RDM. "Suck" may not be entirely accurate, if for example, you're comparing a RDM's ability to nuke to that of a THF, but more a nod to the fact MMOers don't really like second or third-rate anything in their parties if they could help it. So, while I may have been all about upping the job's melee game to better portray it as a hybrid, the class did indeed remain pretty stagnant until recently when SE FINALLY gave them some new (de)buffs, but at the same time, T1 versions are still sub-able. So, uniqueness isn't quite achieved. There's still a lot to the job I'd overhaul if given the chance, but at this point, SE has undoubtedly put all the melee mage eggs in the BLU basket.

I just hope Yoshi doesn't repeat XI's mistakes with RDM. Current structure set via WHM and BLM already puts the concept a bit on its head. I do believe "melee debuffer" could work, but as also been pointed out, it's not like other jobs don't get debuff attacks, too. Just no Pink Mage, prz.