FFVII for PS4!?Follow

When you play FF games, do you actually...realize what you're playing? That's why I said it took away the illusion of choice. Every FF game is "on rails" for the grand majority of the storyline until near the ending segments of the story (usually when you gain your airship/"free roam") which is essentially what XIII was - It took out the "freeroam" and was literally how every FF game has been. XII is the only exception in a way because it was designed as a "what if we didn't have online limitations for FFXI?"

Let's be real, I like FF as much as the next person but every FF battle system, V and VIII excluded, you can easily break it or overpower it from the get go. All of them are simplified to the point you either:

1. Used Summons, Win Cake.
2. Stacked a certain, let's call it autowin Materia combination. Win Cake
3. Tossed your money that's worthless most of the game outside of potions.
4. Don't level (in the case of VIII) and stack up a certain spell early on. Win Cake.

All of them were simple battle systems and some even played itself by simply having 1 OP character. You pretty much described every FF game when you described what was "wrong" with XIII. The funny part? Almost every Final Boss in a FF game is against the 'RNG Gods' unless you read up on a strategy guide. You can't sit there and tell me you knew that you would need every resistance ability equipped to not got bent over by Grand Cross on a boss you never even HEARD of until he showed up in FFIX,

All FF games are extremely linear until a crucial story point. With XIII, it was more obvious because it shot you from 1 area to the next with no "overworld" in between.

Recent focus is on fast gameplay instead of thought out battles with good "in your face" story. It's a trend in all games but it just doesn't work well with the Final Fantasy "MO". Either stop trying to speed up the battle mechanics, stop trying to be a Final Fantasy game, or live with the old school fan base hating (ok that's a bit strong, disliking? being disappointed in?) your games.

As for the illusion of choice, you are pushing buttons on a stationary controller sitting on your couch, everything you do is "the illusion of choice" the trick is to make it not feel entirely like an illusion. FFVII did this well. You went through Midgard as a sort of tutorial and then were given free roam of the world with gated access and reasonably deep side quests, you always felt like you were doing something important. It was just very very well put together at the time.

I think recent Final Fantasy games ended up the way they did because Square-Enix was listening far too much to the gaming press. The PS3/Xbox 360 generation of consoles had people making the persistent claim that "Japanese developers are irrelevant". I have to think that's why you saw the FFXIII director say things like Call of Duty had an influence on the game.

I have a soft spot specifically for the PC version of FF7 because that was my first experience with the franchise and JRPGs. I also remember booting up the PC version of FF8 and going "what do you mean there's no materia?" so the series hasn't been shy about changing mechanics from game to game.

BD and FF9 were far from boring throwbacks lol. They were infinitely better than FFVII at least. Even XIII was a throw back to the typical FF style, just not in terms of graphics. Without a strategy guide or internet, could you really sit there and say each FF game told you exactly where to go when it wasn't being obvious? (e.g showing a cutscene of the next spot) Some FF games left such vague hints on the main story progression you HAD to go out and talk to everyone/visit places you didn't even know exist.

Take that and throw them into a datalog and you have FFXIII. It does suck they took out the overworld, but if XIII had one, more people wouldn't complain about the 'hallway', which is ironic, considering how much praise ARR gets and it's nothing but a damn hallway or circle arena when it comes to its actual content.

https://games.yahoo.com/news/final-fantasy-10-10-2-140001210.html

SE really doesn't want to remake VII.

The same happened with FFX which is why the HD remaster was outsourced. With VII though they still have plenty of assets to work with though unless they deleted everything from BC/CC/AC as well lol.

You'd think they'd outsource VII remake to someone else as well since if SE is unwilling to do it from scratch there's plenty of companies that would np. Hell VII initially wasn't even finished to begin with, they rushed it out. I think they also got rid of IX's source code which is why they never made a PC version that they originally planned to attach to POL Viewer back in the day.

Sounds like some one really hates the fact that 7, a game YOU really don't like was successful. It's funny when people say things like "See it for what it is", funny I saw Advent Children for what it is - A very good film with plenty of action but bad English voice overs. Reminded me of the Avengers just that was a much bigger scale and better actors.

I keep seeing a few people - yes a few, claiming the game was poor yet they don't say why. The people who really enjoyed it like me, loved the characters, the story, the music and the way they setup material + battles. The only excuse people use is that "Its first 3D FF, most likely your first RPG/FF Game". Well it wasn't my first, wasn't my second or 3rd.

Sounds like you have a serious beef cake issue with 7, probably because your favourite FF games are long being forgotten. Not everyone has the same taste, I am a big fan of Star Ocean 2, FF8 and FFX. I have 2 versions of SO2, 3 versions of FF7 and two now of FFX. I could easily turn around and say IX was utterly over rated, poorly created characters that didn't even feel real, music was mostly poor and felt too quickly made, the story was over thought and complicated from something that should have been simple. They didn't create a world of real people, they created a world of anything they could and put it together in a rush for release.
That's only my opinion though. FFV, was a good game though and it was one of my earliest FF games. The story, music, the world and the characters was strong.

Again my opinion. If you have such a problem with 7 I find the best thing to do is not get involved with discussions because your post has pure hatred behind it and perhaps you are blinded by it.

Even if 7 wasn't 3D it would still be loved by fans because of the story and characters. As for 7 remake being surpassed, not going to happen. FFX came very close to it but it lacked a character like Sephiroth. It also lacked an organisation like Shinra - that typical Corporation who only cared about profits (sound a familiar?).

I still feel joy for FF7 when I play it, even at my age now. Just the same as playing Zelda Ocarina of Time which again, was original, characters, good story but gave us a world to enjoy that felt pieced together like master piece.

I have just now showed real examples why the game was brilliant and still has life today. Must hurt knowing it is consistently in the top games in existence let alone one of the finest RPGs ever created even by todays standards. Lets not forget their PSP attempt of a prequel and Advent children, plus all the memorabilia they make for it. Advent children did far better than they expected, shall we also talk about their PS3 launch trailer? The real first moment SE realised how much love there is for FF7.

I hope they do make a large remake because it will sell, I will be amongst the pre-orders for a PS4/5? remake with full high res graphics and voice overs. I know a lot of people that will join me in that. And if they do, it will sell hard and fast and at that moment people like you can continue to be bitter.

Edit - Some spelling

Edited, Dec 15th 2014 6:45am by Lonix

Edited, Dec 15th 2014 6:46am by Lonix

Like the original release of VI, it had a lot of broken features in terms of character progression. Not broken as in "OP", but broken as in doesn't work at all. It also had a significant amount of glitched battles due to the format they went with at the time, if you accidentally force certain monsters to use a certain move that shouldn't be possible normally, congrats, you lost your save game on disk 2 or stuck in an infinite loop and pray you remembered to save before hand. There's also a few status debuffs that doesn't work, which sure can be great, but makes it a farcry from the "perfect" game it gets touted as.



The same reason as any arguments that goes against your own belief - You choose to ignore it. I've seen plenty (including myself) state exactly what's wrong with VII because it truly was a flawed game because that's simply the nature of RUSHING OUT a game, it's going to have some significant issues. Let's not even talk about the localization.



Here's proof that you simply choose to ignore the arguments - Considering the age of gaming and release timing, FF7 was many first people's final fantasy game and even rpg in general you can't deny it, it's been stated numerous times even by Square themselves and if you paid attention to the media at the time, it's what actually drove RPGs mainstream outwest because, once again as stated, many people's first time playing a "full length" RPG and companies seen that it was catching on out west and thus the RPG boom happened. Was it yours? No, good for you, but was it many others? Indeed it was and that's why it gets acclaim, just like super mario 64 gets the most acclaim even though there were better ones before and after.

There's always been great RPGs before either traditional or action etc, for example Chrono Trigger was an amazing RPG, did it get as much acclaim as 7? Hell no. Have people been expecting more like people expect a remake? Hell yes because Chrono Cross left more to be desired after you beat it and Radical Dreamers was a visual novel.



Yet having absolutely nothing but praise for it would make you blind as well. More so, honestly.



What I don't get is how you say this, yet in the same statement state someone shouldn't enter a discussion because their opinion differs from yours. Funnily enough, my favorite FF game wasn't forgotten, it got an HD Remaster recently, actually and my 2nd favorite FF game wasn't even a Final Fantasy game, it was a SaGa game.



Exactly like FFVII. Square even admitted that a lot of the prequel games were done in order to fill in the gaps left due to rushed development of VII. VII has a lot of unfinished elements including story segments, some out right cut. So while SE milks the living hell out of 7, it truly wasn't that great of a game when you analyze it because even the ones who made the damn game admits there were a lot of issues with it. Hell they didn't even fix the glitches in later iterations, maybe they will for the PS4 version if they do anything with it at all. So sorry to break it to you, but I don't have 'blind hate' for VII, I dislike it as a game because I can't look past what was flawed with it and I can actually admit that most of its praise is because it truly was a lot of people's "first love"...

Which brings up an ironic point that a lot of people love to throw around the term "nostalgia" whenever someone likes anything else from the past, but FFVII gets involved? How or why would that be exempt from "nostalgia"?



This would happen with anything - Especially if you remember how a 7 remake was always rumored/asked for prior to that, then suddenly Square shows that and says: "nope". The same happened with the Biohazard games in Japan, then we finally got the GC remakes. Square knows the love for 7, much like they know the love for other series that gets no love from them, like SaGa, Mana and Chrono because let's not even talk about the unfortunate fate of the Mana games, which were also praised despite too having severe flaws (and I loved Seiken Densetsu 2 and 3.)





Edited, Dec 15th 2014 7:20am by Theonehio

I would much prefer a IX remake. As much as I loved FF7 in 1998 or whenever it came out, FF9 was ridiculously good in retrospec. I actually listen to the FF9 OST quite a bit these days.

Chrono Trigger is still my favorite RPG of all time though.

I've been playing RPGs since 1988, but I didn't actually understand them/beat them until way later as I was only 4 years old. FFIII (VI in japan?) was the first RPG I played while my brain was functioning at a high enough level to accomplish anything in such a complex game. I was 10 by then.

I meet guys all the time that are around my age that are like "man FF7 was **** dude, FF4/5/2/6/Zelda etc. was way better". I always have to ask them, were you a child genius because when the really early FF's were out my 5 or 6 year old brain was not capable of understanding them. Which is perhaps why I dismissed them most of my life.

Edited, Jan 7th 2015 8:34pm by Transmigration

Mine too, and because of that I kinda want SE to leave it alone.

Having seen the FF6 mobile port and the sequels to FF4..... yeah, maybe just leave Chrono Trigger alone.



True. FF7 was good. I liked FF6 better. FF6 is my favorite in the series and has been for a long time (my first Final Fantasy was 1. The first one I could appreciate was 4).

At this point I wish they'd just leave every past game alone (aside from ports and PSN) and just work on new installments of FF. No remakes, no remasters, no sequels/prequels/whatever. Just come up with new stories dammit.

Hey, I liked FF X-2! I appreciated the fact that it was of a much lighter and goofier tone than the other games, and Sphere Break is my favorite FF minigame. Then again, I also liked the systems from FF 2 and FF 8. I like the weird ones.

As to the earlier point of the first RPG you finish being your favorite...mine was Ultima V. While it is my favorite of the Ultima series, I don't think the Ultima games have held up very well. At this point, I prefer the Wizardry series to it, and I have only finished two of those games, while I've finished 7 of the Ultimas.