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#1 Dec 19 2014 at 10:09 PM Rating: Good
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For those looking, some nice videos.

Healer, DPS and Tank glass. Enjoy.

http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/2pufty/japan_fanfest_2014_discussion_day_1/

Edited, Dec 19th 2014 11:18pm by RyanSquires
#2Theonehio, Posted: Dec 19 2014 at 10:11 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) If what the OF says is true, I can't wait to heal people with my gun.
#3 Dec 19 2014 at 10:17 PM Rating: Good
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I believe the Astrologian is the healer class. Could be wrong tho, just looks that way to me. Either way, i'm super excited about the Dark Knight tank.
#4 Dec 19 2014 at 10:20 PM Rating: Default
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Yep - I find it interesting that it's essentially a broken up Arcanist from 1.0, especially if Astrologin happens to have Regain and HP+MP Regen buff. Since the turret that Machinist uses is similar to the model that was linked to Arcanist's traps. And Astrologin's weapon is similar to the old Mechanical Staves they used to use.
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#5 Dec 19 2014 at 11:21 PM Rating: Decent
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There was also some talk of the CE. It had better not be one of those deals where different regions get different items. The stuff I got in my US 1.0 CE was junk as a whole.

Doubt I'd order the CE either way but that really sucked back then.
#6 Dec 19 2014 at 11:49 PM Rating: Good
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Looks like there IS a CE.

From what I've read you get a dragon figurine (the box is fairly large, so I'd imagine the figurine is pretty decently sized)

In game items would include a Dark Knight Cecil helm, a wind-up Kain minion, a flying mount (there's some disagreement on what this is.. it's probably a gryphon).
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#7 Dec 19 2014 at 11:58 PM Rating: Good
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Dark Knight tank. Oh **** yeah.
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#8 Dec 20 2014 at 2:02 AM Rating: Default
New race = another prettyboy/prettygirl humanoid race with horns (lol). Disappointing

Dark Knight animations looked good though
#9 Dec 20 2014 at 2:53 AM Rating: Decent
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I agree the new race is pretty lame. I was hoping for something more alien like, like the Bangaa or something.
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#10 Dec 20 2014 at 2:57 AM Rating: Default
Indeed, you have to ask yourself... why bother? it looks like Miqote with some Roegadyn traits and big horns

http://a.pomf.se/ltwexc.webm

Maybe there's gonna be more than one new race?

Edited, Dec 20th 2014 3:59am by lass5
#11 Dec 20 2014 at 5:58 PM Rating: Good
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They gotta balance presentability with strangeness in the race. Call it fan service or catering to the lowest common denominator, but most people in general will prefer something aesthetically pleasing given the choice.

Sure, they could have taken a risk, but FF14 has done great so far with careful, measured steps. They don't need to re-invent the proverbial wheel, just continue to refine what they've got so far.

Besides, Alexander looks badass.
#12 Dec 20 2014 at 5:59 PM Rating: Good
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Very disappointed about their interpretation of a reptilian race. It's no bangaa or argonian for sure. Guess I'm saving that fantasia potion after all.

Edited, Dec 20th 2014 7:51pm by reptiletim
#13 Dec 20 2014 at 7:44 PM Rating: Good
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They gotta balance presentability with strangeness in the race. Call it fan service or catering to the lowest common denominator, but most people in general will prefer something aesthetically pleasing given the choice.

Sure, they could have taken a risk, but FF14 has done great so far with careful, measured steps. They don't need to re-invent the proverbial wheel, just continue to refine what they've got so far.

Besides, Alexander looks badass.


There are already 5 'safe' races in FF14, no need for a 6th. It's just lame. They should have done something more interesting.

Edited, Dec 20th 2014 8:51pm by BrokenFox
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#14 Dec 20 2014 at 8:15 PM Rating: Good
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The Au Ra definitely doesn't have me frantically scrambling for my last remaining fantasia, but in general I think they look fine.

I'd have liked to see something more creative done with their skin. Like the miqo'te, I think they just look a little too human. Like humans in costume. The Roegadyn are even worse in this regard (BIG humans... wheeee).

But they've done well with baby steps so far. Maybe next expansion we'll get a race of bird people or something. That could be cool.

I'm more interested in this move away from base classes. I strongly approve of the idea of eliminating base classes altogether. I think the 3 new jobs are a toe in the water on that front. If it goes well, we may see the full removal of base classes by 4.0.
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Very disappointed about their interpretation of a reptilian race. It's no bangaa or argonian for sure. Guess I'm saving that fantasia potion after all.

Edited, Dec 20th 2014 7:51pm by reptiletim


While Bangaa wouldn't have made sense, Argonians would have made the least amount of sense lol.
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Very disappointed about their interpretation of a reptilian race. It's no bangaa or argonian for sure. Guess I'm saving that fantasia potion after all.

Edited, Dec 20th 2014 7:51pm by reptiletim


I'd hazard a guess and say they're a dragonkin race. It fits it with the expansion and the males have definite dragon-influenced horns.
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#17 Dec 22 2014 at 12:57 AM Rating: Good
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reptiletim wrote:
Very disappointed about their interpretation of a reptilian race. It's no bangaa or argonian for sure. Guess I'm saving that fantasia potion after all.

Edited, Dec 20th 2014 7:51pm by reptiletim


I'd hazard a guess and say they're a dragonkin race. It fits it with the expansion and the males have definite dragon-influenced horns.


That'll be fun. I can't wait to see the story unfold between Yugiri and Ishgard once the Holy See finds out about that connection.

Assuming of course they're actually dragon related. Although knowing how Ishgard can be, just *looking* dragonish is enough I'd imagine.
#18 Dec 22 2014 at 12:12 PM Rating: Good
I am seriously considering dropping $10 for a fantasia for this. I'll have to play with the skin tones and hair styles on a new character, first. But I like the petite grace of the Au Ra ladies.
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I am seriously considering dropping $10 for a fantasia for this. I'll have to play with the skin tones and hair styles on a new character, first. But I like the petite grace of the Au Ra ladies.


This, plus the normal run animation is what's drawing me. Lin was always supposed to be petite, shy, but strong when needed. The dainty little run for Hyur females just didn't work, and in no way was Lin a Miqo'te.

I have a way to write up the change for my character if I so decide, but it will all be a matter of what sort of options for the race I will have going in.

Overall, I'm ok with how the races are designed in FFXIV.
#20 Dec 22 2014 at 10:51 PM Rating: Good
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Releaser wrote:
reptiletim wrote:
Very disappointed about their interpretation of a reptilian race. It's no bangaa or argonian for sure. Guess I'm saving that fantasia potion after all.

Edited, Dec 20th 2014 7:51pm by reptiletim


I'd hazard a guess and say they're a dragonkin race. It fits it with the expansion and the males have definite dragon-influenced horns.


Yea I can see what you mean. I was just hoping for something more "lizard" like but that's probably covered by the amal'ja.
#21 Dec 23 2014 at 7:08 AM Rating: Decent
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A lot of nice and cool info! Personally for me it was the nail in the coffin that again the next support/healer is a robey/magic user. They had an opportunity to deviate and make something that is thematically different but has the same role, but once again they went for what they've done every chance they had, the safe route.I realize now that this game will never have anything I want nor play the way I want it to and I will never come back to the game because this was my last hope. For those who do play and like what the game is though things are looking really good. I would be super excited:) It really looks to be a grrat expansion even if it just is not the game I want. Anyone wondering why I am even here, well I am a FF fanboi so it is hard to not have hope.
#22 Dec 23 2014 at 8:00 AM Rating: Excellent
I wouldn't be so sure to discount astrologian right up front. The card system that they used for corsair in FFXI was quite different, although that was closer to gambler in that it was RNG and luck based.

I was hoping for a gun mage style healer as well, but given what we've seen of the game's lone musketeer so far (that is, Admiral Merlwyb), it was a long shot.
#23 Dec 23 2014 at 8:29 AM Rating: Default
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A lot of nice and cool info! Personally for me it was the nail in the coffin that again the next support/healer is a robey/magic user. They had an opportunity to deviate and make something that is thematically different


The only credit I'll give Yoshida is the fact he says he will not make jobs/classes different for the sake of it and "Final Fantasy" comes first - When you think Healer and you look at FF, or really most JRPGs, what do you think of? So while Yoshi does butcher FF things when it comes to ARR at least he keeps the themes correct for the most part.

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It really looks to be a grrat expansion even if it just is not the game I want.


Yeah, you're better off playing a western MMO, which tend to go against the archetypes for the sake of it.
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#24 Dec 23 2014 at 1:07 PM Rating: Decent
Still, he's right... an orb wielding healer class... a gun DPS ...Au Ra is just Roegadyn-lite (Roegadyn male but leaning more towards Hyur) and Miqote-lite (Miqote female but leaning more towards Hyur).

It's all pretty run of the mill and yawn

We really only have one fantasy race so far, Lalafell, and unlike Tarutaru they actually just look like toddlers. So we basically have 0 fantasy races, since the Mithra(Miqote) have been made much less feral and they're more or less just humans with tail and ear clip ons in this installment.

Edited, Dec 23rd 2014 2:09pm by lass5
#25 Dec 23 2014 at 4:04 PM Rating: Good
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Lets see.

There is precedent for a more fantastical playable race (VI, IX, X) However out of 14 titles out, such instances are in the minority.

I'd hazard a guess that these issues are more logistical. Largely altered races means largely altered modeling and texturing issues across the board. Most easily noted of this is the tattoo/face paint matters. Simply put, Face Paint is generally universal across the board and any heavy fantastical races are going to run into issues in implementation. Considering that they just recently added Face Paint as to some of the holiday rewards this last Harvestmoon, that can raise some issues.

I question the logic equating Au'Ra to Roegadyn, at all. They're clearly Elezen in design styles, which makes sense considering the lore. Also, were do Rody's don't have a tail anymore (only as Galka in FFXI never in FFXIV), nor have they ever had horns or scale patches. Take those away, you're looking at an bulky Elezen for males, a petite Elezen for females as far as the Au'Ra is concerned.

It does make sense to me that a hybrid race would look derivative. But there is enough here to excite a number of the base (as evidence by the outspoken positive opinions on the OF ) Of course, this style of race creation does not appeal to everyone. But given the format of the game, I don't feel as if we'll see anything along the lines of a race with a drastically inhuman face.

Some lightly visible scales wouldn't have been bad though.
#26 Dec 23 2014 at 4:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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So just running through them in my brain right quick, I'm coming up with a max of 3 non-human playable characters in any given main series FF game.

1 - 5: Everyone's a human. Fusoya is a Lunarian but .. no .. just no. Unless genetics are responsible for his magnificent beard, I'm calling him a human character.
6: Terra's an esper hybrid, Umaro's a yeti, Mog is a moogle. The other 11 playables are all human
7: Red XIII is a .. wolf. Cait Sith kinda doesn't count since that thing's a robot being controlled by......a human. And Aeris might as well be a Lunarian. She doesn't count.
8: Human fest
9: Zidane's a genome, Freya's a humanoid rat of some kind, Quina's a qu. Amarant MIGHT not be human, but it's hard to be sure about that one.
10: Khimari's a ronso. Wakka's hair might be its own species, but it's unlikely.
12: Fran's a viera.
13: Pretty sure everyone here's a human.

So yeah, outside of the MMOs, non-humans are pretty unusual in Final Fantasy games.

Edited, Dec 23rd 2014 4:35pm by Callinon
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