So now that FFXI may be dying soon..Follow

I dont know how true this is.. I leveled all of my jobs via fate pugs except drg(main), sch, and whm. DPS ques are way too long. I remember specifically leveling pld and mnk from 1-50 by fates in a single weekend. Took Friday-Sunday to take pld from 1-50 and the next weekend I took mnk 1-50. Also took nin to 50 via fates very recently. I hate fates and the thought of having to do another one makes me want to vomit now... However I did level almost all my jobs via fates. Healers had almost insta-ques so I didn't mind dungeons for them. Keep in mind of course some of these jobs were in junction with the dailies. Name slips my mind but you have to complete 3 fates for an exp bonus 3 dungeons 3 leves etc.. But it was all post dungeon exp buff.


Edited, Apr 15th 2015 8:20am by SaitoMishima

I don't see much of a problem with it. I currently mix up dungeons and Fates as it is, throwing in another way to exp would be fine with me. I enjoyed them in 1.0, they filled up quite quickly. As others have pointed out, dungeons are only feasible for tanks and healers. I started leveling Nin not too long ago, and the queue times for a party were beyond ridiculous.

People will always gravitate towards what's best, but there are some who prefer alternatives even if they aren't optimal. Heck, look at BSTs and BLMs in XI. Quite a few people leveled them up solo, and with the frequency of death, it was never close to a party in terms of exp/hr, but some enjoyed it. I took BST to 75 solo or duo over a long period of time and enjoyed it immensely.

This is a little misleading. A lot of BLM and basically all BST leveled solo because they had no choice.



16 hours as a DRK once. And while that was an outlier, not by as much as you'd think. Also I play FFXIV and I don't want it to be FFXI. I played FFXI for seven years, I stopped for a reason.

One thing I wish that they'd do, is try to give you the highest dungeon possible for your level (assuming you're the lowest level in the group), assuming nobody in the group needs the dungeon for story/unlock/specific queue purposes.

There were times I tried to get XP on jobs. For example, I'd Q up my Lv30 job and I got, say, Copperbell or especially Tam-Tara (the low level Q loves Tam-Tara for some weird reason, I was seeing it 3, 4, 5 times in a row even when everybody was over-leveled for it) and I could tell from the equipment everybody was wearing, that everybody was at least 30s, a couple of them having endgame equipment.

And I realize that Random is Random, but when I appear to be the lowest level in the group... wouldn't something like Haukke Manor be a lot better? Yes, the XP you get at the end of the dungeon is the meat of the whole thing, but yet don't be so quick to dismiss the trash kill XP. As a Lv30, a run through Haukke Manor would give you quite a bit more than a run through Copperbell in terms of Trash XP. You're talking upwards of 50% more XP.

I used to really dislike all of those times I got sent to lowbie dungeons when nobody needed said dungeon for story/quest purposes.

God, yes please. The amount of time I've spent in Toto-rak in my 40s is offensive.

I must be a lucky one then. I never once had trouble getting a party on blm or bst. But I also formed my own parties.The most I ever actually sat lfg was on ranger, two days and no party, but I also didn't try forming one then.

I am not asking to make ARR into FFXI and adding open world grinding doesn't make it FFXI or a korean grinder unless that is all ARR offered and you know this to be true deep down. Search your feelings..

Edited, Apr 15th 2015 11:35am by sandpark

Edited, Apr 15th 2015 11:36am by sandpark

Exactly..
How could it possibly be bad.
It just amazes me how many people enjoy repetition and doing the same thing over and over and will defend it to the hilt. How frigging boring.
It amazes me how mmo's are becoming all the same. It is this mentality and making excuses for companies not trying stuff new and defending them.
Lets just dumb down everything.


Hey be happy just got three new dungeons... But they are like the last 16 dungeons I just did.. But hey on this one you get to flick a switch at a certain point... Yehaww...

What happened to imagination. now it is just reputation and grinding the same stuff.

Edited, Apr 15th 2015 4:38pm by Nashred

I'm confused. Are you for open world exp parties grinding on the same mobs over and over for hours, or against it? Whether you're running the same dungeon over and over again or killing the same open world mob over and over gain, isn't it all repetition and grinding the same stuff?

I certainly don't see how adding new zones with the same re-skinned mobs from old zones is any more imaginative than making new dungeons that are similar to old dungeons.

If you look at any combat scenarios on paper. Everything is repetitive, unless the gameplay mechanics change. But even though they aren't inherently different. There is an intangible feel of difference between the different systems. In one you are riding the rides at the themepark. In the other you are making the rides.

While I don't really thinking mob grinding is the direct solution to creating a more meaningful open world, I hope you realize there are people who hate dungeons, their instanced nature, and the choke hold their presence creates when it comes to that "balance" you speak of. In my eyes, if such a thing did actually happen, it'd only serve as testament to what people truly desire of their game. MMOs are arguably becoming too raid-centric these days.


And my gut tells me you're on to that reality, but I also suspect a smattering of the, "But RMT...!" argument that Yoshi employed to keep crafting down, and thus, any real meaningful economy. Either way, would more rewarding open world progression enable bots? To a degree, sure, but they also did/do things like mine or farm **** like diremite webs. Realistically, things like this are never going to go away as long as there's something people want. What's needed is a mix of vigilance from players and GMs to actually investigate reports from said players. While I won't say there is a bot that can't be detected, there are patterns that can be established and compared against how legit players would behave.


Given the fact I'd done some open world party level at launch, the biggest issue is simply finding a camp with enough mobs/fast enough respawns to keep the chain going. As is, being partied up will initiate linking mechanisms that otherwise wouldn't apply solo. This technically makes pulling a breeze. Mobs, however, are simply too spread out in most locations and leashing kills the thought of mass pulling pretty quick.

I would love to see more OPEN dungeons. With all of the complaints about how FFXIII was a "hallway" for 40 hours, all of the dungeons at level 50 are just one long hallway. Most of the time in a dungeon is spent killing monsters and there are no other alternatives, SE even put barricades that only disappears when you kill certain type of monsters. It hinders speed running like in the old WP or AK where you just skip everything and go straight to the boss. I want to be able to shave off 5 minutes off a duty by having the ninja use hide or let the black mage or white mage use sleep to avoid enemy encounters and clear an objective in a specific room.

FFXI had loads of missions in Assault where the main objective was not to kill everything in a dungeon and I would like to be able to experience that once again. FFXIV has loads of interesting fights, but sometimes it's just rewarding to be able to skip monsters entirely if you are good enough.

Edited, Apr 16th 2015 7:38am by Solonuke

I'd like to expand upon this on this a bit- First, an IRL example of how more isn't always better- I work at a small school with a population of about 700 kids 9-12. This school has every possible sport team you can imagine. It has probably 3x the options for sports that I had in my high school. Guess what, half of these sports are STRUGGLING to field a team. There just aren't enough kids to fill all the teams and as a result almost every team suffers. Many of the teams aren't very competitive and often the kids are frustrated with the practice and game schedules because everyone is competing, not only for bodies to field a team, but for resources such as practice fields, spectators etc.

How does this relate to FFXIV? When it comes to Group Options, you need the server numbers to support the options. For each option you add, you steal available bodies from keeping the other options up and running. This is especially noticeable if one option happens to be more popular than others. All the other options are left scrambling for crumbs. Add enough options and every option is spread thin. Imagine queue times for DD in dungeons if all the healers and tanks decide they prefer one of 16 other options to dungeon spamming. Each server has an upper limit of players it can support based on size. Therefore, it follows that each server only has a playerbase capable of supporting a specific number of GROUP content options.

Now, before people mistake me for being DUNGEON ONRY!! / OPTIONS BADD!! . . .

I'm all for people having options. But they can't just start slamming things into the game or it will break the balance that exists. Especially when you consider how dungeon-dependent the current storyline and content are.

P.S. I actually hate the current dungeon set-up. I hate that every single thing is instanced. I miss open world dungeons. How the **** can a person be a miner if they've never actually mined in a goddamn honest to goodness cave?!

Edited, Apr 17th 2015 12:51pm by ChaChaJaJa