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#1 May 22 2015 at 1:12 AM Rating: Default
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End the Ascian and Garlean side of things finally? I hope those two arent gonna be overarching plots that continues until the games death ad then finally released at the end. 2.0 ending didnt seem like an ending at all.. I dont recall ANYTHING significant getting resolved.. just more stuff added to the list of things that need to be resolved. (i liked the fight cutsceneas though). Speaking of signfigant the whole Garlean thing seems to have been a throw away.... 2.0 was all about them.. in 2.1 theyre mentioned in one cutscene where you see their new leader who looks like he should be in a Castlevania game lol.... after that nothing else about Garlean Empire except their name popping up now and again.

In that OTHER game the vanilla story and each expansion were practically stand alone, aside from character making appearances in all stories, the main plot themselves were all different (Zilart and CoP did share a small link but nothing huge enough that youd consider Zilarts story unfinished until CoPs is done) who got actual ending with those expansion while the expansion following was a new beginning. Im hoping FFXIV follows that path after Heavensward.
#2 May 22 2015 at 3:29 AM Rating: Excellent
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I don't think those plot points are being ignored so much as being put off. The garleans suffered a massive defeat at the end of 2.0. They're still around and still a threat, but not an immediate one right now. As for the ascians, who knows? Maybe they're content to just sit back and watch for a while after all the **** that's gone down recently?

As for the FFXI precedent, even most of those stories played off of each other. While technically stand alone the CoP and RoZ stories are pretty closely connected. Some of the later parts of CoP will make no sense to someone who hasn't already done at least some of the RoZ missions. Same with WoG. It assumes you know at least some of the nation stories going in and you understand a LOT more about what's going on if you already know the characters and the history.
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#3 May 22 2015 at 6:26 AM Rating: Decent
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Nah I don't think so. The Garlean Empire are the neverending enemy, just like the Empire(s) in Star Wars. No matter how many times they're smacked down.. they always come back.
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#4 May 22 2015 at 7:30 AM Rating: Good
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Garleans aren't fantastically evil enough to be the sole antagonist in a Final Fantasy game. We need big evil unkillable creatures of doom. Garleans remind me of a larger scope version of the Turks from FFVII in the sense that they just kind of show up now and then but are ultimately irrelevant to the overall picture beyond their little section of importance. They were cool to look at once or twice, but they're kind of boring.

I don't think you'll see nearly as much of them in the future and I wouldn't be surprised so see some sort of content involving allying with the Garleans to confront some global destruction event down the road.
#5 May 22 2015 at 7:40 AM Rating: Good
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I personally think the Ascian plotline could have been wrapped up ages ago. Most of the patches didn't really deal with it in a good way. Most of the post-release patches dealt with the story in the way something happens -> you get sidetracked -> you get on the course again and the sidetracking gets explained later, which made the story (at least for me) going nowhere.
But I may be biased, since I feel the writing, especially in the last patch, has taken a deep nosedive (not to mention the localization team meddling with Midgarsormr's speech, omitting a lot of important details).

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#6 May 22 2015 at 8:46 AM Rating: Excellent
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Gonna drop a big spoiler here: The very last story cutscene involved Urianger chatting it up with an Ascian, and the heavensward trailer had a guy with very Garlean looking giant 1990's shoulderpads so.....

So I don't think we are done with the Ascians or the Garleans just yet.
#7 May 22 2015 at 9:48 AM Rating: Default
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Well I know we're not done with them the question is will we be soon lol. As for the Turks.. sure they were irrelvent but even they eventually got dealt with.

I mean with the Ascians all that talk about Zodiark and even hearing it roar.. I was hoping the final patch before HW, would culminate in us busting their doors down and taking on (or at least SEEING) that massive beast... but nooooooo

the first 2.0 final fight was the only thing in teh whloe game that felt like a final fight.... epic music, epic 8 man dungeon crawl with all kinda stuff attacking you, taking our bosses floor by floor, mouts that fired weapons as you used them.. THAT felt like an FF game ending... then what did we get after that until this point? "go talk to a buncha NPCs and watch a cutscene, do some dungeons 95% of which arent even story related, and throw in a trial here and there" Couldve at least send 2.5 of with a battle, dungeon crawl that rivaled or exceeded 2.0's last stand
#8 May 22 2015 at 10:09 AM Rating: Good
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Sounds like you're getting ready to stack up your complaints for HW well in advanced.
#9 May 22 2015 at 11:09 AM Rating: Good
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I think I speculated on this before...

Ascians are kind of the thread that binds the storylines of FFXIV together, and Garleans, I don't think that plot will ever be solidly resolved, because we have a permanent fixture of Garlean encampments on our land. They're always going to be a problem in one form of another, will they always be a major thread? Donno.

At this point I don't even think we personalty resolve the Dragonsong War, rather than create a truce with a faction of the Dragons which will enable us to have hostile dragons throughout the course of FFXIV without breaking lore bounds.

I can imagine that we can put the Emperor to bed and the Garlean Empire back into turmoil, or even have a story twist and this 'wicked emperor' wind up not being that bad of a guy, comparatively. We don't know. But I don't think Heavensward is going to resolve that story in particular. We may get a dedicated expansion for that particular plot.

Ascians? I don't see them being defeated until later in FFXIV's life Cycle, towards the end.
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the first 2.0 final fight was the only thing in teh whloe game that felt like a final fight.... epic music, epic 8 man dungeon crawl with all kinda stuff attacking you, taking our bosses floor by floor, mouts that fired weapons as you used them.. THAT felt like an FF game ending...


Everything since the end of 2.0 to now has been transition content. I expect another similar epic battle to wrap up the Heavensward expansion.
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#11 May 22 2015 at 1:47 PM Rating: Default
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the first 2.0 final fight was the only thing in teh whloe game that felt like a final fight.... epic music, epic 8 man dungeon crawl with all kinda stuff attacking you, taking our bosses floor by floor, mouts that fired weapons as you used them.. THAT felt like an FF game ending...


Everything since the end of 2.0 to now has been transition content. I expect another similar epic battle to wrap up the Heavensward expansion.


byy wrap up are you referring to 2.0 or the far future (2.5 and the end of HW)?
#12 May 22 2015 at 1:50 PM Rating: Default
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Sounds like you're getting ready to stack up your complaints for HW well in advanced.



Doubtful cant "complain" about something that isnt out yet, besides nothing will make me complain more than light farming so unles HW does something WAY worse. Light will continue to be at the top of my list of complaints (right under, how unhelpful the community is with endgame content and the outrages prices charged to get ppl through said endgame content... I mean sure in XI when I was a newb I paid for help with things like AF or coffer keys for said AF... but the prices werent abysmal? 50k? ok fine.... 7-14mil to do a fight once?!!? ummmm no that much should get me an finite farming run until I get every drop I want lol. the prices Ive been for FCoB... you could literally buy a large plot of land for cheaper on XIV)
#13 May 22 2015 at 2:57 PM Rating: Good
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you could literally buy a large plot of land for cheaper on XIV)


No you couldn't because there are none lol
#14 May 23 2015 at 9:40 AM Rating: Default
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#15 May 23 2015 at 10:17 AM Rating: Excellent
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7-14mil to do a fight once?!!?


You know you don't HAVE to buy them right? Learning and progression parties are a thing. Even the DF isn't totally out of the question on some of the Coil fights.
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Even Lamia is out of houses now.

I think there is ONE medium house left on the whole server. All large houses and small houses are all gone.
#17 May 23 2015 at 2:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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Midgardsormr, the Garleans, Ascians; these have all been around since the beginning. They aren't going anywhere. Midgardsormr was the only thing that saved Eorzea from the Garleans in 1.0, if only just barely. The dragon had to sacrifice himself to destroy the Garlean flagship. After the final defeat of the White Raven, Black Wolf and ultimately death of their King, the Garlean nation has been installing a new leader and consolidating their power. They will be back. In the end, the technology of the Garleans might be the only thing which can hold the Dravnian forces at bay. Ironically, Midgardsormr seems to have a weapon that can steal the power granted by the crystals ('Echo'/Ascians). The three are linked and the plotlines for these three will likely continue at least until the next expansion beyond Heavensward.

We are severely out-gunned and tragically naïve about the enemies we face. The story in the end is always how the bug underfoot, against all odds, defeats the giant(s).
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#18 May 23 2015 at 4:45 PM Rating: Default
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kainsilv wrote:
Midgardsormr, the Garleans, Ascians; these have all been around since the beginning. They aren't going anywhere. Midgardsormr was the only thing that saved Eorzea from the Garleans in 1.0, if only just barely. The dragon had to sacrifice himself to destroy the Garlean flagship. After the final defeat of the White Raven, Black Wolf and ultimately death of their King, the Garlean nation has been installing a new leader and consolidating their power. They will be back. In the end, the technology of the Garleans might be the only thing which can hold the Dravnian forces at bay. Ironically, Midgardsormr seems to have a weapon that can steal the power granted by the crystals ('Echo'/Ascians). The three are linked and the plotlines for these three will likely continue at least until the next expansion beyond Heavensward.

We are severely out-gunned and tragically naïve about the enemies we face. The story in the end is always how the bug underfoot, against all odds, defeats the giant(s).


well in that case they can take the FFXI approach with expansions an make then stand alone stories that come to an end when the expansion final patch is released... while the whole garlean and ascian thing can be like Rank missions which stoppe at rank 10...... then 10 years later we only hear bits in pieces about them until now when the game is finally about the end NOW theyll close hat thread off. Id be ok with that scenario too.... I just dont want heaveswards ending to be more like another season finale (with clilffhangers) but instead a series finale... while the next expansion will be another series)
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7-14mil to do a fight once?!!?


You know you don't HAVE to buy them right? Learning and progression parties are a thing. Even the DF isn't totally out of the question on some of the Coil fights.


yup youre right.. theyre a thing.... a thing that might pop up once for 5 minutes a WEEK (if youre lucky) in party finder, as for duty finder umm i remember when ppl couldnt DF titan hard... it was only until I was way overeared that Ive finally seen it done with success in DF... so Im not even gonna TRY FCoB in DF
#20 May 26 2015 at 1:13 AM Rating: Excellent
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Ironically, Midgardsormr seems to have a weapon that can steal the power granted by the crystals ('Echo'/Ascians).

I don't think the Echo and Hydaelyn's gift (the crystal thing) are the same.

The Echo is an uncommon, but known power. All the Scions have it (except Moenbryda.) Having the Echo is a prerequisite to joining, and why we were recruited to begin with. It's what lets us see flashbacks, understand languages, and makes us immune to tempering (Minfilia explains all this this fairly early on.) It also apparently does some other stuff which the Ascians are glad we haven't discovered yet. We've had this power from the start. Long before we started collecting and powering up all those crystals.

Hydaelyn's gift is, I think, what makes us the "Warrior of Light." It's the divine protection that does things like keeping Ascians at bay and keeping us from getting 1-shot by Ultima and stuff. Midgardsormr stripped us of that protection (though we now seem to be contracted with him instead for what it's worth) but we still have all of our Echo powers.


That's what I think anyway. (It's entirely possible that I misunderstood or misremembered a cutscene somewhere along the way and am completely wrong about this.)
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#21 May 26 2015 at 10:08 AM Rating: Excellent
Lorewise, us losing the Echo is why we don't get that after wiping in Steps of Faith, I thought. That's why they straight up nerfed the fight instead of adding in the Echo.
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