Do you think FFXIV will bring back old school endgame?Follow

No, this is not XI it's XIV.



I don't see how the god from XI is going to return for a "sequel" from one story to another. Might as well bring Jenova along for kicks. There is a difference between using "Old content ideas and adapting them to XIV" to continuing a story from another game.

You really need to get over this XI thinking, this is not XI.

Edited, Jul 27th 2015 3:38am by Lonix

I would not hold my breath for it to happen. I mean they just got an expansion and the game basically went backwards 1.5 years to 2.0 in terms of content. If anything though they have spoken about making it possible to fly with your airship and explore with it so maybe that will be something like what you want, but what the rewards will be for doing it has not been said afaik so not sure either way.

I love classical WoW-style raiding, but quite frankly the raids in this game are just not very well made. I don't know how many here played WoW back in TBC, but there was a middle tier raid there called Karazhan and it was so awesome. The raids here are for the most part very short with no variation/options, just like dungeons, and honestly pretty poorly tuned imo. This is just made worse by the extremely convoluted ilvl progression system/order they have decided to use. So yeah I definitely think this game could use something different. I love open world content so it would be great and while I agree I think they should do something like Nyzul I think there is room for both. Then again since the game does not build and expand but rather replaces its content maybe there just aren't enough resources for both.

As for statements like Lonix's "this is XIV not XI" I am sure I have no idea what that means when it comes to introducing new content. Yoshi has even gone out and said he is not here to innovate and most of XIV is "borrowed" from other games so there is no reason it could not borrow from XI as well if there is something there Yoshi thinks would fit his idea of a good game.

I think Treasure Hunts are pretty much what we're going to get in terms of open world. You acquire or purchase a pop item, go to the specified location, monsters appear, and you get loot. They even introduced a two tier with RNG with the Unhidden maps.

I could see them elaborating on this system even further, but not making anything else that radically departs from it.

that why it old be an OPTION those who dont wanna do that would stick to instanced content wheras those who do would do it.... like Hunts thats completely optional ppl definitely do it... but I dont.

No, I do not want FFXI to be ninja'd into FFXIV.

FFXI is still there, though! And you can try Wildstar (f2p now) for that kind of hardcore experience.

No such thing in a game like this.

Options worked in FFXI because there were no real gear tiers. You level 75 had a hundred different ways of getting a thousand different pairs of pants but they were mostly situational or sidegrades. In FFXIV there's a dedicated tier system. If Y is better than X pretty much every time then why bother with X at all? Just look at hunts now compared to a few weeks ago. Even if you made the "open world raid" and "instanced raid" gear the same ilevel people would just do whichever is faster and/or more efficient because that's how human beings operate.

Sounds a whole lot like "Must have experience, or clears, no tome bonus" to me. when HW was still "nerw" I seen normal Ravana EX parties.. by normal meaning any and everyone was accepted no "requirements" I dont see that anymore in PF

What little they have is already ignored or flooded to being broken. I don't believe this is the correct course for FFXIV. It is built as a theme-park MMO for good reasons.

What field-endgame they could produce would have to be force-pop only or risk running into the exact same problems event Fates and A/S rank Hunts are running into.

Could work under that premise, but it's still an 'instance' per se. Otherwise it's just contrasting the category of MMO this game is. This is a Themepark MMO, was declared such back in Alpha/Beta - it was even discussed then to. That makes conversations like these bordering on redundant, depending on the individual who raises the subject.

I wouldn't mind that, the random floors isn't a bad idea and I could see it coming but it will still be instanced.

I must admit, I do miss XI but not for a lot of things. I did enjoy the end game as a healer it was simply doing my job and not dodging. I found learning the new content was very simple (when to para etc). Still I do NOT miss spending months for a single piece of gear and as mentioned before, If you wasn't doing the standard 3 End Game (pre TOAU) you essentially was screwed. And yes half the time you had to really KNOW your job and be geared. Not forgetting if you had multiple jobs like I did, you would end up being stuck on the one 24/7 that was in need.
Being a WHM, you can guess I was that most of the time and it was RARE I was a job I enjoyed. BLM was my break job which I had to pester a lot to be.

Not forgetting earning the fake point system (depending how your LS did it) and even with the points you still had to /random and hope for the best. That's IF the item even.. dropped..

The above sums up XI for me, I think about the nice things I enjoyed but then I remember the nightmare and how long it took to simply get 2-3 pieces of gear. It took me forever to get the Hecate pieces and don't get me started on TH pieces.... on the job I again really enjoyed (THF).

No. For the love of god I don't want a return of XI. If SE is to use Ideas from XI and change them to suit XIV - I will continue to love the game. Otherwise I will grow tired of it and lose my love for XIV. Unlike these whiners I would actually quit like I quit XI and every other MMO that I didn't enjoy or lost interest in instead of sticking around complaining about a game that isn't for me...

ok this really needs to end now.

FFXI is NOT still there. anyone, and everyone, who talks about FFXI, is talking about the level 75 era. I don't like what they have done since then, and neither do most people, which is why that game is dead, and why square is halting progress on it at the end of the year.

We will gladly go play ffxi again...if you people would build us a god damn time machine so we can go back in time and play ff11 before it got "modernized" into garbage.

From what I understand, the cell phone version coming out next year will only go up to CoP for a long time. But since you can't transfer your character over..... have fun leveling to 75 from scratch!

In this case, two years haven't changed anyone opinions or stances, specifically referring to thread creation and stance of the Developers. So your sarcasm kinda falls flat here.

There is also a matter of questioning the established backbone policies of the game two years in. Think how long the level 75 Endgame existed for FFXI. It was only at the twilight of the game's lifetime when that fact ever shifted. Why would you consider the instance-focused backbone of a Themepark MMO to suddenly be questionable only 2 years in, especially seeming that now FFXIV is being talked about now as the only game really rivaling WoW in terms of staying power?

While I'm more than in support of a Semi-instanced endgame pursuit, I do not, objectively, see it as on the table at this juncture. Duo has followed the game closely enough to make the same conclusion and raises the matter in defiance of that.

As far as sparking discussions. There are several far better ones to raise that nobody cares enough to discuss. Lore, Rotations, Job comparisons, Guides, Screenshots/Silly, referential discussions of other parts of the community. All of these could be done but are not - likely due to burnout on all these argumentative threads created. "Anything is better than nothing" is poor logic to be making when arguing in benefit to spark discussion.

Edited, Aug 9th 2015 1:20am by Hyrist

Being blunt:

XIV is barely supporting the content structure it does have. Yeah it makes people happy that barely play the game, but people who do keep on the up and up all agree that end-game in XIV in general is sorely lacking in general. So "old school" is certainly out of the question. I mean, GW2 and PSO2 (even though not a traditional MMO in the sense) does it beautifully, so it certainly can work.

However XIV suffers from far too many problems to see it viable. In 2 years time the game has not evolved, at all, systematically. 3.0 feels exactly like 2.0 era, so it doesn't seem likely they'll ever move on from this format, which is fine but is indeed a bit boring.

Let's be honest though - bringing up HNMs/Ground kings from 2003-2004 era of FFXI is kind of silly because XI evolved loooooooong since then, even by 2006 in terms of open world content. So while 2006 is still technically old school by today's standards, I could definitely see systems like ZNM/Voidwatch/Walk of Echos (this is technically open world) working for sure in terms of content, but in implementation? The fact the servers would die if they so much as gave everyone a few more inventory spaces means the game itself can't actually handle any shift in content format at all.



This is why I like XI - It has a variety, there's lots of various things you can do progression wise and while gear is the overall goal, like any RPG and progression is the end goal (like any video game) XI had content you did because it was fun or because it would eventually pay off for you. In XIV, all you do is a gear treadmill. Your only progression is grinding either:

Tomes
Alexander/Alexander Savage.

This is 2 years later in XIV ARR, this is ignoring the 3 years of XIV 1.x. - XIV is nothing but gear grinding and what proves this is:

How populated is Golden Saucer and its activities now compared to when it was implemented, versus people spamming Ravana or Alexander (either)? The only thing to really do in XIV is either leveling, doing your weekly stuff or crafting/gathering. Essentially either grind, grind or grind for gear in some fashion. So I don't know, maybe it's because I've kept current on XIV content but it feels way more restrictive than XI ever had.

Though vertical progression MMOs tend to be like that.

Edited, Aug 9th 2015 6:06am by Theonehio