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#1 Sep 10 2015 at 12:35 AM Rating: Default
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I dont play the job so I cant really answer this question. But a friend o mine hit 50 on ninjas recently and when doing big pulls in dungeons I suggest using the aoe attack that has them through a buncha daggers on the ground (cause thats what ALL ninjas do) bu he insists that Doton (or whatever the fire ninjitsu is) is AOE, does more damage and doesnt eat up all his tp like the dagger aoe does.

So what do you guys say? I mean i would think the dagger aoe is clearly the right one since thats the one everyone else uses.. Is doton really better?
#2 Sep 10 2015 at 1:26 AM Rating: Excellent
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Your friend is right. Death Blossom (the dagger one) sucks.

Ninja has pretty crappy AoE. At 240 potency Doton (the ground AoE DoT) is the most powerful AoE. Katon (the fire AoE) is only 180 potency but it's instant. They're both on the shared 20 second ninjutsu CD though so they're mutually exclusive and neither are spammable. They also don't keep you from using other abilities during CD time. Death Blossom may be spammable but it's only 100 potency and 120 TP. Unless you're fighting things with super low health you're generally better off throwing down Doton and focusing on a single target at a time.
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#3 Sep 10 2015 at 1:54 AM Rating: Decent
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#4 Sep 10 2015 at 2:07 AM Rating: Decent
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Also yeah Death Blossom sucks. Use Doton on crowds (never on single targets though)
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#5 Sep 10 2015 at 7:53 AM Rating: Excellent
Death Blossom is only useful in North Thanalan fates where things are going to die in two seconds anyway and you just want to touch as many things as possible for party credit.

Doton is best, and after that NIN can go to their single target glass buzzsaw rotation.
#6 Sep 10 2015 at 8:25 AM Rating: Good
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Doton is the correct choice if more than about 4 targets will live through it.

If Huton isn't a problem, then a perfectly reasonable "bursty" aoe opening would be Katon > Kassatsu > Doton. That's about the best NIN can do.. and then Doton is refreshed on cooldown unless Huton needs to be (until Armor Crush, and then you use that to refresh Huton). Single target in the mean time.

Death Blossom is useful against packs of mobs that won't live through Doton. So those bots towards the end of Fractal for instance... that's a good place for Death Blossom.
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#7 Sep 11 2015 at 2:34 AM Rating: Excellent
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Why is this an "either or" question? You should be using both.

With the sort of mass pulls that often go on in dungeons, Death Blossom most certainly does not "suck", either. But you should still be using Doton, or Katon if you expect the majority of the mob train to die within the next 5 seconds.
#8 Sep 11 2015 at 3:43 AM Rating: Decent
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The TP to damage ratio on Death Blossom is what makes it suck. Unless the mobs are REALLY weak or low on HP it's just not worth using. And even in those situations the mobs are gonna die in a few seconds regardless so who cares. For mass pulls dropping Doton and single targeting them down is always better.

I hear it's good in PVP though, but I wouldn't know cause I've never tried the PVP in XIV.
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#9 Sep 11 2015 at 8:48 AM Rating: Decent
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^ Yeah, I'm thinking you don't really know what the definition of "mass pull" is if that is your take on things. Smiley: dubious

I should reiterate that, idk about everyone else, but NIN is probably the one non-caster DPS that I have the least TP trouble on. I don't know if it's all those ninjutsus or what that helps me maintain it, but there's really no need for me to be stingy with the TP when even a lowish potency Death Blossom will push out far more potency on a mass pull than single-attacking.

Whenever I'm NIN and *not* in a mass pull situation, a lot of the time I have Invigorate sitting there collecting dust because I simply never need it.

Edited, Sep 11th 2015 10:51am by Fynlar
#10 Sep 11 2015 at 10:01 AM Rating: Good
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I end up with TP issues on NIN mostly because SE seems to have this obsession with giving skill speed to melee dps, usually paired with accuracy... fml.

I've managed to ease up on the skill speed a bit lately, but it was pretty awful there for a little while.

Then I had a BRD that was raiding with us who wouldn't cast Paeon because and I quote "it's too hard to switch bars." Smiley: banghead
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#11 Sep 12 2015 at 9:07 AM Rating: Good
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Then I had a BRD that was raiding with us who wouldn't cast Paeon because and I quote "it's too hard to switch bars." Smiley: banghead


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