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#27 Jul 20 2016 at 11:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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Well I beat floor 50 and I'm only 14/15 on my gear. There were NO silver chests at all in that 41-50 climb (well, there was one but it exploded so it doesn't really count.) Unfortunately given the incredible annoyance of RNG, combined with the fact that you have to do the lower floors over and over again for minimal reward, I see myself getting bored with this VERY quickly.

I just wish the lower floors did SOMETHING at higher gear levels. Even if they just made the bosses drop a chest with guaranteed upgrade. At least then I wouldn't feel like I'm just wasting my time.
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#28 Jul 21 2016 at 5:26 PM Rating: Decent
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So here's some ******** right here. If you wipe, you don't keep any of the upgrades to your armor that you get along the way. I was just in a pretty terribly put together party with two tanks and two DDs. We actually made it floor 49, but wiped due to a bad pull. I had gotten five ******* upgrades to my armor and weapons out of that run, and now they're gone. I'm starting not like this more and more. It's bad enough I have to grind out the first thirty **** floors before I can even get an upgrade to stick, but taking them away if we **** up is just a slap in the face.
#29 Jul 21 2016 at 6:14 PM Rating: Good
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So here's some ******** right here. If you wipe, you don't keep any of the upgrades to your armor that you get along the way. I was just in a pretty terribly put together party with two tanks and two DDs. We actually made it floor 49, but wiped due to a bad pull. I had gotten five ******* upgrades to my armor and weapons out of that run, and now they're gone.

I don't have a problem with that part actually. It's annoying if you wipe and lose the upgrades, but that's the risk involved. At least you don't have to start all the way over from floor 1 when you wipe.
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#30 Jul 21 2016 at 8:39 PM Rating: Excellent
Sounds like the way to do this is level up as much as you can before floor 40 to enhance the likelihood of getting usable upgrades in the final floors.

Then, leave before the final boss and repeat floors 40-49 until you get your upgrades.

Is that the system? Kind of surprised there isn't an automatic silver chest at the end.
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#31 Jul 21 2016 at 9:12 PM Rating: Good
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I don't think you can do that. I don't think there's a way to leave early and keep your upgrades. IIRC progress doesn't actually save until you beat a boss and officially complete the floor set (at which point you can't redo it without starting over.)
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#32 Jul 21 2016 at 9:36 PM Rating: Good
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I imagine once more levels are a thing, there'll be shortcut items added that'll let you start at 50 or whatever as long as you'd beaten the level. Nonetheless, the cost will probably be prohibitive enough that you'd probably want to start over from time to time. But like others have said, it's not perfect, but it's certainly a step in the right direction.
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#33 Jul 21 2016 at 10:39 PM Rating: Decent
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Thayos wrote:
Sounds like the way to do this is level up as much as you can before floor 40 to enhance the likelihood of getting usable upgrades in the final floors.

Then, leave before the final boss and repeat floors 40-49 until you get your upgrades.

Is that the system? Kind of surprised there isn't an automatic silver chest at the end.


Yeah you HAVE to beat the boss to save it. However my group does this while working on our 3rd weapons:

http://i.imgur.com/c0BKNxN.jpg

We use 2 slots - We save the first slot to 41-50 then start our second slot and burn through that THEN go to the first slot and burn through 41-50 in order to keep our upgrades actually progressing so that way we always have another run of high floors ready to go shortly after beating 50.
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#34 Jul 21 2016 at 10:53 PM Rating: Excellent
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We use 2 slots - We save the first slot to 41-50 then start our second slot and burn through that THEN go to the first slot and burn through 41-50 in order to keep our upgrades actually progressing so that way we always have another run of high floors ready to go shortly after beating 50.


Just curious, Hio... but why are you doing this content so hard?

Not trying to bring up the same old thing, but genuinely curious because I figured you already had every variation of Nidhogg weapon and can't imagine you'd have much use for an i235 weapon.
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#35 Jul 21 2016 at 11:27 PM Rating: Good
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Future proofing, maybe. But I guess the same could technically be done for relics, but they've also been relatively under par and overly grindy.
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Because they're shiny, why else?

Maybe the secondary stats are superior to some of the Nid weapons too, idk, never looked, never cared, probably never going to actually beat the fight before the weapons are irrelevant anyway

Edited, Jul 22nd 2016 1:37am by Fynlar
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Thayos wrote:
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We use 2 slots - We save the first slot to 41-50 then start our second slot and burn through that THEN go to the first slot and burn through 41-50 in order to keep our upgrades actually progressing so that way we always have another run of high floors ready to go shortly after beating 50.


Just curious, Hio... but why are you doing this content so hard?

Not trying to bring up the same old thing, but genuinely curious because I figured you already had every variation of Nidhogg weapon and can't imagine you'd have much use for an i235 weapon.


Well since it's not really that hard of a content set mostly gathering the potsherds more than anything but the weapons will most likely be used down the line and a few of them are actually better stat combos (for what its worth) than a few of the Nidhogg weapons. I mostly did the nidhogg weapons for glamour more than anything but a few were good for my off jobs since itd be a slight waste to upgrade lore weapons for alt jobs and I dont really dig the relic quest in this game.

My main has a midas weapon so it doesnt have a use but with the way Yoshi tend to be all over the place it's just a good idea to "complete" this content to see where it goes. It paid off farming 100+ tokens of every newer Ex primal so..never know.
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It paid off farming 100+ tokens of every newer Ex primal so..never know.


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It paid off farming 100+ tokens of every newer Ex primal so..never know.


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Yep, was the fastest way to cap Eso (and later Lore) plus desynth weapons, so storing the tokens seems to eventually let you get the primal birds. So if they really do expand this system to be a bit...more, I'd rather have at least a few weapons ready to go out the gate as the next round will obviously be a set of armor or at least 1 piece of armor.
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#40 Jul 23 2016 at 1:54 PM Rating: Good
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Looks like they're taking some of the complaints to heart.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/299702-If-you-could-make-impovements-to-Deep-dungeon...?p=3791307#post3791307
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Yep, just read the Japanese response to that, it's largely because people have been starting to purposefully wipe 41-50 runs if they don't get as many upgrades as they hoped for. So it's definitely good they're looking into it.
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#42 Jul 23 2016 at 6:47 PM Rating: Excellent
Nice! I wonder when that update will happen?

I've only made it up to Floor 30 (been busy). And heading out tomorrow for a week of vacay. Would be nice if that were fixed before I got back.
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#43 Jul 24 2016 at 1:25 AM Rating: Good
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What's up with the last three item slots on the bottom row? Are those unused right now, or have I just had really odd RNG and never seen those items drop?
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Never seen them either. I'm assuming they are just placeholders for new poms we'll only find beyond floor 50.
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So I finished it today and I found it extremely underwhelming. Not that I was expecting Nyzul (a concept I hated) but something more than "kill a lot of enemies over a small area". It was good to have a nod towards Tam Tara Hard, but in the end I don't see the point of repeating this just for a weapon (much like the dungeons, to be honest). Just to get to the second set of floors I had to repeat the first run five times...No way I'm going to touch it ever again.
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#46 Jul 24 2016 at 5:57 PM Rating: Good
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I do like how it's a fairly good way of leveling. It gives exp similar to leveling roulette, and while you don't get the exp from kills like you would in a normal dungeon, you can do it multiple times a day and it has (for now anyway) near instant queues, even for DPS jobs.
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#47 Jul 24 2016 at 6:07 PM Rating: Decent
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Just to get to the second set of floors I had to repeat the first run five times...No way I'm going to touch it ever again.


What, were you soloing and getting killed by bees? Soloing is meant to be challenge mode, you know. There's no actual reason to solo other than for the "glory", much like 2nd coil savage.

It takes a party of four very very special people to possibly lose on 1-10. Like, they have to be trying to wipe. And right now, people are only trying to wipe on 41-50 >_>

Edited, Jul 24th 2016 8:08pm by Fynlar
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Just to get to the second set of floors I had to repeat the first run five times...No way I'm going to touch it ever again.


What, were you soloing and getting killed by bees? Soloing is meant to be challenge mode, you know. There's no actual reason to solo other than for the "glory", much like 2nd coil savage.

It takes a party of four very very special people to possibly lose on 1-10. Like, they have to be trying to wipe. And right now, people are only trying to wipe on 41-50 >_>

Edited, Jul 24th 2016 8:08pm by Fynlar


Technically, Yoshi stated you can actually go in Solo OR with up to 4 players and "get on a leaderboard" if you go in solo, so it wasn't actually meant as a "challenge mode" in that sense, but more of a "challenge" between players to see who gets on top of the leaderboards similar to how The Feast is nothing different PvP wise other than having actual rankings. Something clearly lost in translation from early interviews lol.

Like I always say, people don't ever want to believe me when I say it's extremely possible for people to just...utterly fail at existence until it happens to them. With the way the rng works, it's extremely possible to wipe on 1-10 simply because all it takes is a landmine+monster auto attack or exploding silver chest combo, even on 1-10.



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#49 Jul 24 2016 at 8:37 PM Rating: Decent
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...and I'm officially sick of doing this. My last run through 1-50, I managed a staggering one upgrade to my weapon. That was my sixth time through the place. It's bad enough that you get zero upgrades from 1-40, but then you finally get to 41-50 and half the chests explode, and the half that don't, half of those don't give upgrades. I'm not touching this again until after the update. Hopefully, they'll do what the promised and make it less of pain in the ***.
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It takes a party of four very very special people to possibly lose on 1-10. Like, they have to be trying to wipe. And right now, people are only trying to wipe on 41-50 >_>

Edited, Jul 24th 2016 8:08pm by Fynlar


Where did I say I died? Hasty assumptions, I see. I simply didn't get enough aetherpool upgrades to let me pass to the second set of floors.
And that's why I'm saying I'll never do that again. Much like the dungeons and the tomes, it requires constant repetition.




Edited, Jul 25th 2016 5:24am by xizro
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Where did I say I died? Hasty assumptions, I see. I simply didn't get enough aetherpool upgrades to let me pass to the second set of floors.
And that's why I'm saying I'll never do that again. Much like the dungeons and the tomes, it requires constant repetition.

That's actually a pretty reasonable assumption. The alternative, that it actually took five clears to get your gear to +2, is mindbogglingly insane, bordering on impossible.

Edited, Jul 25th 2016 12:02am by Karlina
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