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"Human or not" a letter to Yoshi-P & SEFollow

#1 Oct 26 2016 at 10:56 PM Rating: Default
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First ,let me introduce myself: I didn't played FFXI before,
I was a WOW/FF1.0/1.2x player & I played FFV,VI,VII,VIII,IX,X,XII,XIII

Yoshi-P, I remember you said: "We developers are human too, please don't blah blah blah....."
I didn't know why some XI players were so angry & harsh to you,
now I know why.... <url removed>
Do you know why? And why so many talented developers had left SE these years?
because YOU & SE, are garbage now, Why I say this? here's why:

1.Because all you're thinking of is money(McDonald's contents), money(cash shop), money (cash shop) & money(ban the critics, treat the players like idiots).

2.Because you suck, you have no clue how to design a good mmo,
Yoshida, do you remember you said: when you just took the director job of XIV,
your friend told you:"What are you thinking Yoshi? You should't do that!"
because you suck, & he knew that, he knew you can't handle this.
Why don't you just keep making Bomberman? I like bomberman, that's what you are good at.

3.How dare you banned so many FFXI fans on the forum? even Tanaka didn't do that.
I say this for myself & for some FFXI fans: YOU MORON ******* MOTHER ******* **** STAIN. **** YOU YOSHIDA

4.Because XI was too good, that makes XIV2.0/3.0 looks like a ****. (I didn't realize this until I tried XI)

5.Yoshi I know why you do this, The truth is if you put more & more XI elements into XIV,
that means you indirectly admit that you are inferior to Tanaka. you don't want this happen,
you don't really care the game or the future of FF & SE, all you care is your job your salary.
you make the world a little worse, not make it better, you are just a villain.....

Final Fantasy MMO is dead, it's just a cheap Korean/Chinese cashshop MMO now, You killed it.
(yea I know XIV is bringing SE money, McDonald's & CocaCola sell a lot too)
Tanaka is THOUSAND times better than you, Yoshi-P I am just tired of your stupidity & this Barbie park crap

"If you want to play XI, go play XI". Yes I am already doing this,no, I won't pay one cent to SE now,
and Abyssea seems bad. SE was a GREAT company, now the company is just a bunch of retards just like Yoshida,
just like Apple in 90's, without Jobs, Apple is nothing, I am done with SE.

I am playing in a free, pre Abyssea server called "Nasomi", my char is LV8 now, I am having a lot of fun there,
adventures are REAL & SERIOUS, After I tried XI and look back at XIV, XIV is just a Barbie house game.

To others: If you are interested, if you love adventures, want to play a REAL FF mmo,
want to experience some adventures like "Sword art online" or "Log horizon",
if you want to experience some epic stuff with your friends,
give it a try, you will love it to death & realize how suck XIV is now.

To FFXIV forum mods: you guys are even not worth mentioning... You are just some poor worker,
just take your little salary & do what you need to do.
To reporters: have fun playing your baby game...


<url removed> A FFXI video for you all, I didn't play XI but I cried when I watch it, you can read the comments below,
they are something you will never experience in XIV2.0/3.0 ,in a Barbie park game
#2 Oct 27 2016 at 12:23 AM Rating: Excellent
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You got banned from the OF, didn't you?
#3 Oct 27 2016 at 12:23 AM Rating: Good
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Edited, Oct 27th 2016 2:23am by Hyrist
#4 Oct 27 2016 at 12:23 AM Rating: Good
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Trippe Post! Stay Classy, Zam!

Edited, Oct 27th 2016 2:24am by Hyrist
#5 Oct 27 2016 at 7:17 AM Rating: Excellent
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You got banned from the OF, didn't you?

shandrive wrote:
money(ban the critics, treat the players like idiots)


I'm going with yes.

shandrive wrote:
3.How dare you banned so many FFXI fans on the forum? even Tanaka didn't do that.


There were no forums when Tanaka was in charge of FFXI. However I'm reasonably sure his team wouldn't have been open to this sort of attack any more than Yoshi P's team is.

shandrive wrote:
<Verbal diarrhea>


There are plenty of legitimate criticisms to make about FFXIV without resorting to petty namecalling and personal attacks on people who can't defend themselves and, quite frankly, don't need to defend themselves from you. This kind of thing makes you look like a petulant child.
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#6 Oct 27 2016 at 8:24 AM Rating: Good
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shandrive wrote:
want to experience some adventures like "Sword art online"
To be held hostage and either killed or digitally raped? Smiley: dubious
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#7 Oct 27 2016 at 11:34 AM Rating: Good
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Lol what is this? >.<
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lolgaxe wrote:
shandrive wrote:
want to experience some adventures like "Sword art online"
To be held hostage and either killed or digitally raped? Smiley: dubious


Hey, don't judge!
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#10 Oct 30 2016 at 2:52 PM Rating: Good
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I thought this was a bot complaint thread. Smiley: lol
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#11 Oct 30 2016 at 10:47 PM Rating: Decent
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shandrive wrote:
4.Because XI was too good, that makes XIV2.0/3.0 looks like a ****. (I didn't realize this until I tried XI)


SE took a huge step backwards before even bringing XIV to it's current state. I'd likely grant a pass if it were a sacrifice of mechanics and polish for a solid story, but it's questionable at best whether or not SE actually came through with what should have been the 'gimmie'.

There is a lot that I disagree with, but I see the frustration with how things turned out. Even some of the very people here mocking the OP know that they wanted more than a mediocre FF-themed WoW clone. At the very least we could have been served a mediocre FF-themed WoW clone with a good story.

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Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
#12 Oct 31 2016 at 4:26 AM Rating: Good
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Filty, are you trying to turn a troll post into an actual discussion thread? Smiley: lol

Could you... you know, make your own thread for that?
#13 Nov 01 2016 at 3:48 AM Rating: Decent
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I've been around for long enough to know that these forums have a tendency to shift subjects anyway. I could link several topics that started out completely troll and actually shifted into valuable exchange.

****, many of the posts made on the XIV alpha forums that were giving pointed feedback were deemed 'troll' and instantly derailed into discussion about baked goods. We see how that turned out...
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cocodojo wrote:
Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
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Any good recipes?
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#15 Nov 04 2016 at 10:10 AM Rating: Decent
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FilthMcNasty wrote:
shandrive wrote:
4.Because XI was too good, that makes XIV2.0/3.0 looks like a ****. (I didn't realize this until I tried XI)


SE took a huge step backwards before even bringing XIV to it's current state. I'd likely grant a pass if it were a sacrifice of mechanics and polish for a solid story, but it's questionable at best whether or not SE actually came through with what should have been the 'gimmie'.

There is a lot that I disagree with, but I see the frustration with how things turned out. Even some of the very people here mocking the OP know that they wanted more than a mediocre FF-themed WoW clone. At the very least we could have been served a mediocre FF-themed WoW clone with a good story.



ummm FFXIV 2.0 Story got good at the END, and starting with HW it stayed good from then on out.... Just like Marvels Agents of shield, it sucked until the last few episodes of season 1, and so far its been able to stay as good as the end of Season 1 throughout season 2 ANd 3.
#16 Nov 04 2016 at 3:33 PM Rating: Decent
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He has some points though....
The story is good,
Crafting and gathering is interesting but they are trashing that too by using the same stupid gear upgrade path combat uses.
The graphics are good.
Combat is horrible with stupid rotations that require no skill, reminds me of a hack and slash.
Dodging is all combat is about.
There is no challenge to combat at all unless you are a healer or tank.
Lag affects the game horribly for way to many.
World is useless for combat and is only good for gathering.
I think he is right SE thinks it players are lazy and stupid with no skill. They do not give the player any credit that they can handle any depth.
They think all anyone cares about is playing barbie dolls.
The cash shop has not ruined the game but took a lot of fun out of it.

I thought I might miss the game by now after playing as long as we did but Tesee and I have not thought about it at all.

After taking off a few months you start too see what FFXiv really is..
They trashed FFXI now and it feels old but still a better game than FFXIV.

How do you log onto the free FFXI servers that are pre abyssea?
Are they populated?

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#17 Nov 04 2016 at 5:30 PM Rating: Good
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Nashred wrote:
How do I do something illegal?


Smiley: dubious

Edited, Nov 4th 2016 6:32pm by Callinon
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Callinon wrote:
Nashred wrote:
How do I do something illegal?


Smiley: dubious

Edited, Nov 4th 2016 6:32pm by Callinon


Private servers are ILLEGAL now? News to me..


against the ToS and or frowned upon plus Se wouldnt like it =/= illegal

Next you're gonna call buying and selling gil illegal too right?
#19 Nov 05 2016 at 2:24 AM Rating: Decent
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Have you never watched a movie or sporting event on TV before? If so, you've probably hear that disclaimer saying something like "any rebroadcast or re-transmission without the express written consent of..."

Depending on the media type you will see things like trademarks, copyrights, ect. There are laws that govern your rights to use someone else work. Hosting private servers isn't something you're allowed to do without the owner's permission.

I personally wouldn't kick your door in for playing on a private server, but you can still play XI as if it were pre-abyssea anyway. Quite easily in fact. There are several groups on a few different servers already doing that. The game hasn't really changed enough that you can't have a near classic server if you are willing to restrict yourself from a few of the newer QoL changes.
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Its personal preference and all, but yes we need to educate WoW players that this is OUR game, these are Characters and not Toons. Time to beat that into them one at a time.
#20 Nov 05 2016 at 5:58 AM Rating: Decent
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The private servers are poorly populated anyhow
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Private servers are ILLEGAL now? News to me..


against the ToS and or frowned upon plus Se wouldnt like it =/= illegal

Next you're gonna call buying and selling gil illegal too right?


Basically what Filth said.

You aren't allowed to steal someone else's work (in this case game code) and just present it again for people the way you want it to be. Copyright law has a lot of problems, but the core principle is sound. And in this case it's very clear.

Now, are you likely to go to jail because you played on a private FFXI server? No. That's extremely unlikely. Does that make it not illegal? Also no.
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The Server Owners will eventually get smacked with a Cease and Desist court order. Then, possibly sued for copyright violations depending if they determine they have a case in court for denying them income that could have come from potential lost subscriptions to the original.

Happened to WoW private servers, though I think Blizzard dropped the lawsuit.
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The Server Owners will eventually get smacked with a Cease and Desist court order. Then, possibly sued for copyright violations depending if they determine they have a case in court for denying them income that could have come from potential lost subscriptions to the original.

Happened to WoW private servers, though I think Blizzard dropped the lawsuit.
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As I'm working on both XI and XIV private servers, I can say this much:

XI private servers are actually in a grey area for this very specific reason:

Playonline.

Now, "stealing" is subjective when it comes to server emulation (which is what XI and XIV are doing) as it's technically not different than loading up Atomos on XI and XIV - XI has a public test server but due to the nature of it no one really bothered. (People assumed you'd get sneak peeks and bonuses for playing on a test server...)

The reason I say it's subjective is because, XI and XIV in particular gives you everything you need, you're not taking any code, you're simply diverting where you connect (XI) and have to actually use your OWN code and as long as you don't bypass POL or completely negate it being necessary, XI's private servers are "ok." The only thing supplied by XI and XIV are the base client, everything else is technically your code. So while it falls under "reverse-engineering" by definition, in practice you're actually still abiding by the rules simply because POL is that double edged.

However, Private servers are still "against ToS" that you can't openly talk about it on SE forums for example, just like you can't on Blizzards or trion etc forums, but they know of their existence and aren't hunting it down, which is why when Blizzard hunted down one of the biggest, they got backlash for protecting their IP, because technically, they were doing nothing wrong (server owners) as they weren't even using an updated client and weren't profiting off of it beyond optional donations iirc.

Basically with XI:

Bypass POL = Nono
Keep POL = Grey Area.

A lot of current XI servers have their own launcher now that's worth their merit, but they aren't necessary "illegal", it's just something, much like using Windower, you can't really talk about as it's 3rd party because in the grand scheme of things, Windower is far more "illegal" than a server emulator considering all Windower allows you to do.


XIV on the other hand, has no safety net like XI does, so it's hard to find a grey area that could justify a XIV private server - However, 1.0/1.2x private servers are in a grey area as SE no longer supports that client nor have any servers running it. However "FFXIV" is still copyright, so again not something you can just talk about or post on their forums.

So the legality is pretty hazy because some games have a special nature, XI and XIV in particular as any private server you see that actually can be played like normal is 99% original code, you're simply "piggybacking" 1% of the actual XI code. So I think illegal is the wrong word..more like..debatable?


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The existence or non-existence of a launcher does not convey special protections for violating copyright. Even if you're using your own code to emulate the server architecture and client response necessary to make FFXI work, you're still violating copyright because you had to reverse engineer the client and server software to do that.

Btw, WoW has a launcher. Private WoW servers are copyright violations and are shut down when those server operators are taken to court. It's illegal. Full stop.
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