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#27 Nov 02 2017 at 9:38 AM Rating: Good
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For example, I have a much easier time with Star Wars than I do Star Trek. Or, something like Babylon5. That was actually very well-done as far as acceptable hand-waving goes.


The physics of a warp drive is actually pretty well explained (assuming that's the physics issue you're having a problem with). Actually the physics of interstellar travel in Star Wars isn't explained all that well. "Lightspeed" isn't anywhere NEAR fast enough to travel across the galaxy in what you would consider a reasonable span of time. Babylon 5 did a superb job with this, definitely agreed there.

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In the extra material supplied with the PS2 games (the anime shorts), and in the PS2 game itself, it was implied that such condition persisted for multiple IRL DAYS. If that dude is sitting at his home, VR headset on, controller in his hands in a coma for Days and nobody found him, none of his friends contacted authorities/EMT/911/whatever, then I'd just have to ask.. uh, wtf? Maybe the people in question live alone in their houses, but pretty sure at least one of them had family. You're trying to tell me the family just left them drooling in a coma like that for multiple days?


I assumed the coma victims were taken to the hospital. I think this was actually stated explicitly in the G.U. series. I can't remember if the Sign series (which includes the games) ever came right out and explained this, but as you say it's not reasonable to assume those people were just left drooling at their computers.

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And what about the game, its developers, and lawsuits? The first instance is a fluke. Second, eh... but when you get to the third, fourth, and beyond cases of this happening in the same game, under similar conditions... then you might be looking at lawsuits and the government getting involved, court cases, what-not... but I don't recall any of this happening in the anime, though?


It's explained in G.U.. There's a lot of backstory provided for what happened to the first version of The World. Basically it's what you just said. The developers were sued and prosecuted into oblivion and another developer picked the game up and redeisgned it and released it as The World R2.

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Maybe so, but still. The premise behind the game itself just seems a bit boring.


The World R1 was largely a social game. There were gameplay elements to it for people that liked grinding. But the entire point of the game was a social hub to play with your friends in this online space.

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Well I can agree with DBZ, as an adult I can see ppl only watched that for the fights and action... you know flashing lights and explosions.. the kinda stuff that would entertain a 12 year old not an adult seeking a rich (or even decent) story. SO DBZ isnt BAD but it wouldnt be on the list of anime Id recommend to others to watch.


If you're watching DBZ for the story, you're officially doing it wrong. It's meant to be something you can turn your brain off and just enjoy for the cool fight scenes and over-the-top powers.
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#28 Nov 02 2017 at 9:47 AM Rating: Decent
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Callinon wrote:
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For example, I have a much easier time with Star Wars than I do Star Trek. Or, something like Babylon5. That was actually very well-done as far as acceptable hand-waving goes.


The physics of a warp drive is actually pretty well explained (assuming that's the physics issue you're having a problem with). Actually the physics of interstellar travel in Star Wars isn't explained all that well. "Lightspeed" isn't anywhere NEAR fast enough to travel across the galaxy in what you would consider a reasonable span of time. Babylon 5 did a superb job with this, definitely agreed there.

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In the extra material supplied with the PS2 games (the anime shorts), and in the PS2 game itself, it was implied that such condition persisted for multiple IRL DAYS. If that dude is sitting at his home, VR headset on, controller in his hands in a coma for Days and nobody found him, none of his friends contacted authorities/EMT/911/whatever, then I'd just have to ask.. uh, wtf? Maybe the people in question live alone in their houses, but pretty sure at least one of them had family. You're trying to tell me the family just left them drooling in a coma like that for multiple days?


I assumed the coma victims were taken to the hospital. I think this was actually stated explicitly in the G.U. series. I can't remember if the Sign series (which includes the games) ever came right out and explained this, but as you say it's not reasonable to assume those people were just left drooling at their computers.

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And what about the game, its developers, and lawsuits? The first instance is a fluke. Second, eh... but when you get to the third, fourth, and beyond cases of this happening in the same game, under similar conditions... then you might be looking at lawsuits and the government getting involved, court cases, what-not... but I don't recall any of this happening in the anime, though?


It's explained in G.U.. There's a lot of backstory provided for what happened to the first version of The World. Basically it's what you just said. The developers were sued and prosecuted into oblivion and another developer picked the game up and redeisgned it and released it as The World R2.

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Maybe so, but still. The premise behind the game itself just seems a bit boring.


The World R1 was largely a social game. There were gameplay elements to it for people that liked grinding. But the entire point of the game was a social hub to play with your friends in this online space.

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Well I can agree with DBZ, as an adult I can see ppl only watched that for the fights and action... you know flashing lights and explosions.. the kinda stuff that would entertain a 12 year old not an adult seeking a rich (or even decent) story. SO DBZ isnt BAD but it wouldnt be on the list of anime Id recommend to others to watch.


If you're watching DBZ for the story, you're officially doing it wrong. It's meant to be something you can turn your brain off and just enjoy for the cool fight scenes and over-the-top powers.



As for your DBZ comment Im well aware of that. Thats the very point Im trying to get across with this WHOLE discussion,. so yea its the other guy you should be telling that to.
#29 Nov 03 2017 at 5:40 PM Rating: Good
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RE:Star Trek: It wasn't the warp drives I was having trouble with. It's more the teleporters. Yeah, okay, I get that you can construct matter out of energy... theoretically possible! But yet, as some youtubers have pointed out, it doesn't take into account the soul (if you believe in such a thing, which I do) and the fact you are basically killing and re-making the body over and over again each time you teleport.

That, and what's to stop you from making clones of yourself with teleporters? If you're turning matter into energy at the source and then energy into matter at the destination, then what's to stop you from skipping the first step?

RE:Everything Else:

Well, I suppose I will admit that I've not seen every single episode of the animes, so there is stuff I likely missed. One, I was having trouble finding any more of the material, and two.. again, the premise kinda turned me off, kinda. Didn't pursue it overmuch to be honest.

Also, with DBZ... well, I always thought it was for younger kids who enjoy the flashy explosions and stuff, yeah. It just isn't something I'm into, and rarely am I in the mood where I just want to watch explosions and stuff happening "just because", lol.
#30 Nov 03 2017 at 7:11 PM Rating: Good
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RE:Star Trek: It wasn't the warp drives I was having trouble with. It's more the teleporters. Yeah, okay, I get that you can construct matter out of energy... theoretically possible! But yet, as some youtubers have pointed out, it doesn't take into account the soul (if you believe in such a thing, which I do) and the fact you are basically killing and re-making the body over and over again each time you teleport.


That's a matter of philosophy, not science.

The transporters work under the principle of matter-energy interchange. Replicators work on this same principle. So matter is converted into an equal amount of energy and then transmitted (we can do THAT now) somewhere else and converted back in the proper sequence. Honestly, we have proofs of concept for this type of technology in math proofs and some lab experiments right now.

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That, and what's to stop you from making clones of yourself with teleporters? If you're turning matter into energy at the source and then energy into matter at the destination, then what's to stop you from skipping the first step?


It's happened in the show! But once again you're arguing philosophy and not science. If you watch the show you'll see that most of the sentient races have ethical problems with cloning.

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Also, with DBZ... well, I always thought it was for younger kids who enjoy the flashy explosions and stuff, yeah. It just isn't something I'm into, and rarely am I in the mood where I just want to watch explosions and stuff happening "just because", lol.


If it's not your thing it's not your thing, there's nothing wrong with that and there's no need for an explanation or excuse. I enjoy it, but I've been watching it for nearly 20 years (I was 17 when it first aired in the US).
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