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#1 Feb 16 2011 at 8:44 AM Rating: Default
With the release of Ogre Battle: Let us cling Together. Is Se back on the right track of making classic games again? I understand the game is a Re-release of the snes/psx version, but with so much improvements on this port, it does feels like SE has learned a few things from their hit/miss with re-make's, lately they have been treating re-makes as they should, wish in my opinion was not the case back in the day, when they started to re-release their older ******** they would not even give them a face lift, or add any real content to the games, but as of late with FFTWOL, FF4(DS) and this ******* it seems at least to me, that they have learned to polish the good strong points of the game all while making their weaknesses into strong points also.

Back in the day, they would only port the game, add some CG and that was it, now they are improving the battle systems, giving a good face lift to the graphic engine, adding a very welcomed quick paced feel to battle's all while increasing the difficulty in a way that is not hardcore but not mediocre at the same time, and going as far as adding content, not only as side quest but as part of the main story, they really went and looked at the script, and added content where it needed.

Now i consider myself a veteran of OBLUCT, and as so the first few battles i treated them as i would in the PSX version, and boy was i in for a surprise XD! Not only is the AI really good now(They will ignore your tanks and go for the caster in a heartbeat) the entire class system feels balanced, and kind of new, while also retaining that old feel for those that played the original.

Now if this is how they are gonna treat, all their re-make's i welcome then, and wish ever team was on charge of this ******* should be in charge of FFT2 or atleast the remakes, they really made an already epic ******* feel even more Epic.

SE+1 (Now fix this game <.<)
#2 Feb 16 2011 at 8:55 AM Rating: Default
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Why not post this in some inter web forum?

This has nothing to do with FFXIV, maybe you can have this in the Rift forum, God only knows how many threads about Rift we got here in the past...
#3 Feb 16 2011 at 9:20 AM Rating: Decent
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Really....? What's this have to do with the price of Tea in China?
Isn't there an Ogre Battle forum, or a general Square Enix discussion forum someplace that this topic would be better suited for?
#4 Feb 16 2011 at 9:57 AM Rating: Good
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I don't see how hard it is to see how this might be relevant to FFXIV.

FFXIV's success depends on SE. SE has had a rough year with a number of critical and financial bombs. People have been questioning the direction of SE, creatively and financially, and that should give any FFXIV cause for concern given their game is incomplete and requires substantial more development to achieve praise among fans and attract enough players to be financially solvent.

The OP identified a case where he believes SE is making sound creative decisions and concludes perhaps hope is not lost. I can't speak to the accuracy of that, as I'm not a fan of that sort of game, but the beauty of a forum is that others can.

Personally, I am not willing to pay for FFXIV until I am assured SE has the means and will to improve FFXIV. Unfortunately it will take more than one niche title to achieve that, but perhaps others can chime in and say "Yes, and SE made this great game this year, too!"
#5 Feb 16 2011 at 9:57 AM Rating: Good
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I entered the thread thinking 'could this be the first time I dont rate down one of ostias posts?' I was wrong. Ostia is just a troll here to wind everyone up. Go away
#6 Feb 16 2011 at 9:59 AM Rating: Default
I'm gonna ignore the OP and assume we're here to discuss the direction of XIV.

I don't know, is it improving? Yeah, but its also making me feel its turning into FFXI. Before the new team everything felt like it was going on a different direction, more innovative and all.
Don't get me wrong, the new team is a ******** better at fixing things and updating and keeping the communication with the players, but it feels they are more set on XI's tracks.
#7 Feb 16 2011 at 10:15 AM Rating: Good
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I think that for now, its good that SE"s getting back to their "core competency", repackaging their old games and selling them to new audiences and capitalizing on nostalgia. But it won't last forever, people aren't going to buy a 3rd remake of FF tactics, and just about everything now has been rereleased on psone and playstation store. The right track would be selling quality games that aren't relying on the FF name.

Really though, I think they're just going to keep picking up studios and acquiring the rights to sell other studios games in asia.


This is at least somewhat relavant to FFXIV, its its studio, the game currently needs strong financial backing, and the company just showed a very poor year, a portion of which was blamed on FFXIV's launch.
#8 Feb 16 2011 at 10:17 AM Rating: Decent
yfaithfully wrote:
I don't see how hard it is to see how this might be relevant to FFXIV.

FFXIV's success depends on SE. SE has had a rough year with a number of critical and financial bombs. People have been questioning the direction of SE, creatively and financially, and that should give any FFXIV cause for concern given their game is incomplete and requires substantial more development to achieve praise among fans and attract enough players to be financially solvent.

The OP identified a case where he believes SE is making sound creative decisions and concludes perhaps hope is not lost. I can't speak to the accuracy of that, as I'm not a fan of that sort of game, but the beauty of a forum is that others can.

Personally, I am not willing to pay for FFXIV until I am assured SE has the means and will to improve FFXIV. Unfortunately it will take more than one niche title to achieve that, but perhaps others can chime in and say "Yes, and SE made this great game this year, too!"


This actually sums up the point of my post, by no means was i trying to troll or incite anything negative, i re-read my post, and in no area did i toke a cheap shot at SE, on the contrary i praised then for the delivery of a great game.

As for how does this is tied up to FFXIV, well SE needs all the income they can get, but more importantly they need to win back the faith of their fan base, if this game sells good and scores good ratings, other fans might be inclined to give SE more of a break, also SE might hand the team who developed this game other projects and if they turn out into great games also, SE will benefit wish would also benefit FFXIV in the end.

Now this might not directly be related to FFXIV, but is not like there are other post that have no relation to FFXIV on this are of the forum right ?
#9 Feb 16 2011 at 10:36 AM Rating: Decent
My head exploded from poor grammer...

But yea, this is really irrelevent.. different teams working on different products... etc etc...

#10REDACTED, Posted: Feb 16 2011 at 10:42 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Of course it's relevant (albeit only indirectly).
#11 Feb 16 2011 at 11:06 AM Rating: Good
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Rinsui wrote:
Of course it's relevant (albeit only indirectly).
Shows there's a glimmer of hope left for FFXIV, too.

Quote:
My head exploded from poor grammer...


An instant classic.

Edited, Feb 16th 2011 11:43am by Rinsui


Technically, spelling is not grammar.

In b4 lock
#12 Feb 16 2011 at 11:22 AM Rating: Decent
I think the spelling errors created new words- but those words are spelled correctly!!

It got pretty confusing as I was reading it.... highlights would be:

...wish in my opinion was...

...i welcome then, and wish ever team was on charge of this *********

oh wait... as I re-read this maybe its just all the run-ons and switching of the word "which" for "wish"... now it makes much more sense!!! (still irrelevent..)
#13 Feb 16 2011 at 11:37 AM Rating: Decent
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Wow, an Ostia thread not trolling XIV in the XIV forums....






Oh wait, nm...
Ostia wrote:
SE+1 (Now fix this game <.<)
#14 Feb 16 2011 at 11:38 AM Rating: Good
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ok now im thinking not a troll but these posts are from a dada generator lol
#15 Feb 16 2011 at 11:55 AM Rating: Decent
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Metin wrote:
a dada generator


A whazzit?
#16 Feb 16 2011 at 11:56 AM Rating: Decent
Metin wrote:
ok now im thinking not a troll but these posts are from a dada generator lol


Dada generator I only know baby generators! :P
#17 Feb 16 2011 at 12:26 PM Rating: Good
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postmodern randomising of words that doesnt mean anything

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dada
#18 Feb 16 2011 at 12:31 PM Rating: Good
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or

Dada or Dadaism [French, from dada, child's word for a horse] Nihilistic movement in the arts that flourished chiefly in France, Switzerland, and Germany from about 1916 to about 1920 [and later -ed.] and that was based on the principles of deliberate irrationality, anarchy, and cynicism and the rejection of laws of beauty and social organization.

from

http://members.peak.org/~dadaist/English/Graphics/index.html
#19 Feb 16 2011 at 12:33 PM Rating: Default
PerrinofSylph, ****** Superhero wrote:
Wow, an Ostia thread not trolling XIV in the XIV forums....






Oh wait, nm...
Ostia wrote:
SE+1 (Now fix this game <.<)


Indeed telling Se to fix a game that needs fixing is trolling <.<

Oh and english is not my first language so yeah, some spelling errors, but that does not mean what i said is totally irrelevant
#20 Feb 16 2011 at 2:42 PM Rating: Decent
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Ostia wrote:
Oh and english is not my first language so yeah, some spelling errors, but that does not mean what i said is totally irrelevant


TBH I didn't care about the spelling errors. In most cases it's petty when people pick up on things like that unless a post is completely unreadable... which your post is not. However it's in the appropriate forum now so all prior responses are more or less null and void.
#21 Feb 17 2011 at 12:51 AM Rating: Good
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Damned if you do and if you don't, eh, Ostia?

I actually rated you up, though. I think War of the Lions was by far the best game I've played this decade - which is easy because it was the best game I played last decade also, only better.

I never really got into Tactics Ogre, but I'm thinking of picking it up.

To be honest, though, I don't really give SE a lot of points for re-hashing old junk. I love FFIV (and the DS version is fun; the After Years is also nice). I love Chrono Trigger, but their newest port of that is an embarrassment.

I really wish they would make a NEW game that truly WOW me like they used to. I haven't been impressed with a SE game since FFX (and that was a stretch - though over time that game has grown on me a lot, especially compared to XI-XIV). Back in the day I loved Squaresoft so much I bought all their games and saw good in most of them. Secret of Mana sereis, SaGa series, Einhander - anything they slapped their name on came out pretty good. Well the SE name means a lot less to me (and they own half the game industry now so I couldn't keep up with every Tomb Raider and Just Cause if I tried, nor do I wish to).

I'm just (overall) not impressed with their performance. The Final Fantasy series keeps pumping out "ok" games (if you're in the right mood) but to me they fail to be true to JRPG roots and they also fail to be successfully innovative. It's like XIV - it tries too hard to not be XI, but then reuses so much from XI it's hard to see it as a stand alone world. I feel like everything coming from SE is half-assed still.

The ports keep them afloat because the old games they inherited from Squaresoft & Enix remain good - which proves to me their healthy rivalry kept them on their toes, making games people care about and love to play. I figured their merger would end up like this. I hoped it might make Enix games slightly better (never a HUGE Enix fan) but instead it just watered down all their games - like any monopoly would do.

Honestly Atlus & NIS have filled the niche-void in my heart and they continue to please - but I still feel no one writes a scenario as well as Squaresoft used to. They don't even try to throw in plot twists anymore. Probably because Tetsuya Nomura makes every villain look like Sephiroth so you aren't really surprised when you're good pal Seymour, Kamlanaut, the 12 **** and Barthandalus end up being the villains. You're more like "oh, so no surprises, huh?" Feels like an Enix game really. "I AM THE EVIL BOSS. COME DEFEAT ME IF YOU DARE." Even Final Fantasy (1) had more plot twists than XIII.

/end rant & thanks for the really good post/thread

PS: Sorry you got crapped on for posting it in the wrong forum. Though if you didn't, I wouldn't have read it. :)
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