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#1 Apr 04 2014 at 4:33 PM Rating: Excellent
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Well okay, 20 years ago tomorrow since we lost him, but I suck at posting on the weekend, so I'm doing it now.

I feel old. Smiley: frown
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#2 Apr 04 2014 at 5:08 PM Rating: Excellent
I was 8.
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#3 Apr 04 2014 at 7:00 PM Rating: Excellent
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It's also been exactly 12 years since Layne Staley died. April 5th is not a good day for grunge.



I should put on my grunge playlist.
#4 Apr 05 2014 at 6:54 AM Rating: Good
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I was 19 when he killed himself. Its such a shame he felt there was no other way. Kurt along with a host of other great musicians are gone and all we can do is wonder what could have been. May his soul rest in peace. Kurt you are loved and missed.
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#6 Apr 07 2014 at 9:11 AM Rating: Good
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Sandinmygum the Stupendous wrote:
I was 8.


I was 1 year old. Smiley: lol

But I never really particularly liked Nirvana anyway. Seems like they're massively overhyped to me.

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#7 Apr 07 2014 at 9:16 AM Rating: Good
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I can't quite remember when it was when Nirvana fans started to dress like the Kiss Army. I just remember wanting them dead.
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#8 Apr 07 2014 at 9:31 AM Rating: Excellent
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IDrownFish of the Seven Seas wrote:
But I never really particularly liked Nirvana anyway. Seems like they're massively overhyped to me.
Blasphemy!

They've written a lot of good songs, Kurt Cobain is overhyped to all hell though because his death was so sudden at a time when the band and the grunge scene around it was still huge.
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IDrownFish of the Seven Seas wrote:
I was 1 year old. Smiley: lol

But I never really particularly liked Nirvana anyway. Seems like they're massively overhyped to me.

The fact that you were one year old at the time might have something to do with that Smiley: laugh
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#10 Apr 07 2014 at 12:42 PM Rating: Good
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Don't have to have grown up with the music to enjoy it. I just happen to not enjoy it.
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I didn't say that. Just pointing out that if you weren't there at the time you wouldn't have noticed the change in the scenery they helped bring around. I think the "hype" is as much or more about that than it is about their individual tracks.

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IDrownFish of the Seven Seas wrote:
Sandinmygum the Stupendous wrote:
I was 8.


I was 1 year old. Smiley: lol

But I never really particularly liked Nirvana anyway. Seems like they're massively overhyped to me.

While they have some good songs, I never understood the fascination with them either. I'm currently 42.
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#13 Apr 08 2014 at 7:02 AM Rating: Good
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Kastigir wrote:
IDrownFish of the Seven Seas wrote:
Sandinmygum the Stupendous wrote:
I was 8.


I was 1 year old. Smiley: lol

But I never really particularly liked Nirvana anyway. Seems like they're massively overhyped to me.

While they have some good songs, I never understood the fascination with them either. I'm currently 42.


The fascination with them is they helped create an entirely new genre of music. Not to mention destroy hair metal(thank god). People were starving for something new back then. Nirvana of course got the spot light for some reason, could have easliy been Soundgarden or Alice in Chains, or any number of seattle bands at that time.
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I have a theory about 90s music (grunge in particular). By and large, most of it isn't really all that good, but the 90s were a period where culture was really heavily linked to the music scene, which means that nostalgia elevates the importance of that music for people who actually associate songs with, say, the summer of '94.

I think this happens with everyone on a case-by-case basis; we all have music that gives us pleasure from nostalgia even if the music isn't that good. But I suspect that this is more culturally cohesive for the early 90s than for other times.

Which wouldn't really be surprising. Internet hadn't quite emerged yet, so the mass overload of music and different artists, etc, wasn't really a thing yet, which meant more people were listening to the same thing.

People were also more likely to be listening publicly, primarily because it was easier to take music with you (portable stereos).

You were also more likely than ever before to have music available for entertainment; you didn't have your phone to browse facebook when bored, but you might have a cassette or cd player. And access to music was at an all-time high for pre-internet standards; music shops were common, MTV actually played music, etc.

We also have a transitional culture in the 90s; it's post Cold War, which means that people growing up in the 90s were already culturally disconnected from the earlier generations, in ways, and less likely to be as invested in the anti-war, etc. music of the previous generations.

All in all, I think this made the music being produced in the 90s more vital to the cultural identity of the time, which means it has a great deal of nostalgia for people who were listening to it at the time. This is particularly true for people growing up with this music.

So, yeah. That's my theory.
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idiggory the Fussy wrote:
I have a theory about 90s music (grunge in particular). By and large, most of it isn't really all that good, but the 90s were a period where culture was really heavily linked to the music scene, which means that nostalgia elevates the importance of that music for people who actually associate songs with, say, the summer of '94.

That's... every modern genre of music and era. 50's, 60's, 70's... up through today. Most of it wasn't great in retrospect. A sliver of good stuff lasts and the rest of it is remembered fondly by the people who were there.

Hell, not just music. You still have dopes swearing that every **** game released on the NES was superior, for instance, and drooling over emulating crap from the late 80's because that's what they grew up with.

Then again, I was already in college (i.e. "grown up") when Nirvana hit so I wasn't post-Cold War. I was in the late-Cold War, War Games, The Day After, Red Dawn, 99 Luftballons, Star Wars Missile Defense System generation Smiley: grin
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In the 80s and 90s defense, the alternative is Justin Beiber.
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#17 Apr 08 2014 at 8:22 AM Rating: Good
Or Nikki Minaj or Katie Perry. *shudder*
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idiggory the Fussy wrote:
I have a theory about 90s music (grunge in particular). By and large, most of it isn't really all that good, but the 90s were a period where culture was really heavily linked to the music scene, which means that nostalgia elevates the importance of that music for people who actually associate songs with, say, the summer of '94.

I equate the 90's Kurt C and Nirvana with the 60's Jim M and the Doors. I think both will go down as stand-out purveyors of counter-culture music.

That said, I prefer The Doors to Nirvana.
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In the 80s and 90s defense, the alternative is Justin Beiber.

Get outta here. Justin B is Canadian.
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The fascination with them is they helped create an entirely new genre of music. Not to mention destroy hair metal(thank god).
Hair metal is awesome in all it's glorious tackiness.
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Every era of every genre has a tackiness factor.
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The fascination with them is they helped create an entirely new genre of music. Not to mention destroy hair metal(thank god).
Hair metal is awesome in all it's glorious tackiness.

Yes it was awesome and I liked a lot of those bands back then, im just glad it ended is all. Because to be honest some the newer bands that came at the tail end of the hair metal era really were sucking bad and making the earlier stuff look bad as well.
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I think that it's hard to see today, but there was a kind of musical wasteland period that went on in the late 80s. It's hard to describe. It's not that there wasn't some decent music coming out, but almost no new bands and styles. Honestly, it's probably why I diss on artists like Beyonce, because that style of music was what was popular during that time period (lots of Whitney Houston, for example). It was awful. It was boring. And bands like Nirvana, Jesus Jones, STP, etc, were a breath of fresh air.
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