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#1 Nov 01 2013 at 12:43 AM Rating: Excellent
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This post is just meant to be a general guideline for black mages who are considering what to buy with their mythology tomes. I am not going to include the absolute best in slow (BiS) gear in this post since this is intended to give BLMs just starting out an idea of what they should aim for initially. For instance, I have not listed the Allagan scepter or shield in any of these posts but it is generally the best in slot weapon and offhand. However, this is a turn 5 drop! So, unless you already have this place on farm and BLM is your alt, you most likely won't have access to it.


Please refer to this spreadsheet for the absolute BiS gear. We actually have three (four if you want to go pure crit) options.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqG_cUArVwt5dExEVEJIRmJHd2lrczg4cnZxTDVkM1E#gid=39

I highly recommend you use this website to determine which gear drops where as well as what stats are on that gear:

http://www.ariyala.com/ffxiv/gear.html

Given this, you are going to have some varying results due to the RNG results on Allagan drops. The key, though, is to obtain the 432 ACC cap while running at maximum HP.

While I gear for crit personally, RNG has never been in my favor. Therefore, here are two builds I recommend.

Build #1

Weapon: Elder Staff (Stardust Zenith will work till you obtain this)
Head: AF2 hat
Body: Sorcerer's Coat
Hands: Allagan gloves of casting
Waist: Allagan rope belt of casting
Legs: Allagan breeches of casting
Feet: Allagan boots of casting/AF2 boots
Neck: Myth
Earring: Allagan earring of casting
Wrist: Myth
Ring1: Vortex ring of casting
Ring2: Allagan ring of casting (you can swap this for Vortex ring of casting if you find that 8 DET > 16 spell speed)

Food: Deviled Eggs NQ

Stats:

Note: some stats will differ depending on race

INT: 494
ACC: 433
Crit: 536
DET: 255
SS: 456
VIT: 368
PIE: 244

My current setup is this:

Build #2

Weapon: Elder Staff (Stardust Zenith will work till you obtain this)
Head: AF2
Body: AF2
Hands: AF2
Waist: Myth
Legs: AF2
Feet: AF2
Neck: Myth
Earring: Allagan earring of casting
Wrist: Allagan bracelets of casting
Ring1: Myth
Ring2: Allagan ring of casting (you can swap this for Vortex ring of casting if you find that 8 DET > 16 spell speed)

Food: Deviled Eggs NQ

Stats:

Note: some stats will differ depending on race

INT: 494
ACC: 435
Crit: 505
DET: 236
SS: 511
VIT: 368
PIE: 244


I personally prefer my setup. I get balanced stats but only 31 less critical hit rating/19 less DET and 55 more spell speed. According to Puro, these stats should all be equivalent so you gain an extra 1 stat (51 vs 50) with build #2. I do not think stacking one stat primarily is really as effective as people think.



It is absolutely crucial that you have at the minimum 4000 HP when you go to attempt turn 5. Aetheric profusion alone can do 3.8k damage. Fireball can take you down to ~170 HP when sitting at 3990 HP. To handle this, you may need to replace some of the above accessories. Try getting rose gold earring, astral ring, astral choker, and astral bracelets. You can find the materia stats caps below as well as recommended materia you should put in each slot. Keep in mind that you should always slot the most expensive materia first and/or second. Some of the prices may be lower since this was created so check the MB before you go slotting materia in these items!

http://i.imgur.com/PrfrxVa.png

Mainly, you want to focus on VIT and accuracy on these items.

I would recommend at least 4200 HP to be comfortable and three of these accessories with VIT will put you there with deviled eggs until you start to get i90 on your left hand side of your equipment window (AKA: hat, body, hands, legs, feet). Simply add some VIT into your accessories but don't neglect secondary stats like accuracy.

I would gear yourself based on what has dropped for you so far. Haven't seen Allagan legs in 3 months but have Allagan earrings and wrist? Maybe consider build #2 above instead of gearing pure crit.

Edited, Feb 4th 2014 12:50pm by HitomeOfBismarck
#2 Nov 04 2013 at 10:28 AM Rating: Excellent
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OMG, this is excellent.
#3 Nov 04 2013 at 11:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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Grats on sage, Gnu. :)

I've revised this section quite a bit. Feel free to read the post again to get an idea of what I've changed.

This is just my personal opinion. If you see any logical errors, please point them out!
#4 Nov 09 2013 at 3:38 AM Rating: Excellent
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So after doing some heavy progression (read: wipefest) on Twintania and looking at the parses, I can tell you all some things.

At around 1000 hits, I missed 16 of them. This includes her adds, her snakes, and herself. It also includes conflags.

This means I have around a 98% hit rate with only 432 accuracy: 31 below the suggested hit cap. This means that the alleged 463 hit cap is probably bullsh*t. Edit: Indeed, it is.

You may think the 16 spells I missed wouldn't hurt my DPS..and you'd be right if we were talking about only DPS and only overall DPS. If you miss a blizzard 3, it can really cripple you if you are not very quick to react. Log rep or FFXIV App may be able to track misses but I haven't given it a shot. Worth installing one of those programs so you can know when to virus for Death Sentence and such.

Also, our group composition was slightly altered compared to how it normally is since we are running this on nights where our static groups do not raid (mixing two groups together). This thrown together group consists of a BRD, a MNK, a SMN, and a BLM. The SMN has the best sustained DPS, the MNK has the best controlled burst, and I have the best randomized burst. Meaning, sometimes the MNK will die if he gets conflaged and there isn't a fireball up to increase the conflag duration.


Edited, Nov 11th 2013 12:17pm by HitomeOfBismarck
#5 Nov 11 2013 at 3:57 PM Rating: Excellent
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Updated once again. I highly encourage you all to read the spreadsheet I have linked at the top: courtesy of BG and their BLM community.

Pretty much what we thought is what they've found.
#6 Nov 19 2013 at 1:18 AM Rating: Good
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So how about a specific question.I just got my Relic +1 about 20 minutes ago, and I'm looking at joining the FC for turn 1 + 2 in the next couple weeks. Finished out DL gear, with the Heroes Ring of Casting in the 2nd ring slot.

What is the next piece of AF2 to get?

I'm thinking Body > Hat. I don't have the money for the crafted accessories, which is fine because I'm no where near turn 4-5 yet. Allagan isn't an option really until I'm at least running some Coil.

Any tips for this specific point?


#7 Nov 19 2013 at 1:26 AM Rating: Excellent
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What does your ACC look like that? AF2 hat is BiS. AF2 body offers a tremendous amount of ACC, decent boost to INT, and boost to VIT. Definitely worth it. Just look at the spreadsheet and you'll find your answer based on your current setup!
#8 Dec 10 2013 at 4:45 PM Rating: Good
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http://imgur.com/gallery/iKIbGmQ

I'm not sure how to decipher this graph, but it seems to indicate testing showing that:

INT > Spell Speed > Crit > Det

Hmm, by a good margin too.

#9 Dec 10 2013 at 10:06 PM Rating: Excellent
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Let's just say he's really optimistic. :P If you read Puro's argument for spell speed, it's a little iffy which is why he has 3 sets of BiS gear sets listed.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0AqG_cUArVwt5dExEVEJIRmJHd2lrczg4cnZxTDVkM1E&f=true&noheader=false&gid=56

Also keep in mind that spell speed may not actually be beneficial to us in large quantities. We'd have to figure out what spell to fill in between thunder 2 and the last umbral ice tick OR if we would forgo that tick entirely and just do blizzard 3/fire 3 back to back. It's an interesting debate and I really enjoy the fact that we have 3 possible sets of gear because RNG just sucks. :X

Personally, I'm working on the crit build just because I've already started it. I figure most BLMs will follow their own path but we'll all end up with the same relative DPS. And, until that patch hits with the nerf, we'll be way ahead of other classes as well.
#10 Feb 01 2014 at 3:54 PM Rating: Excellent
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Hitome! Valk!

What are the BiS's post Patch 2.1?

Be great if there was a calculator somewhere like this one for bard"
http://www.ariyala.com/ffxiv/gear.html
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#11 Feb 04 2014 at 5:19 AM Rating: Excellent
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It has a BLM tab silly. :P

Also, I feel like people completely ignore the fact that I post Puro's BiS guide whenever someone asks about gearing BLM. >_>

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqG_cUArVwt5dExEVEJIRmJHd2lrczg4cnZxTDVkM1E#gid=50

Has all the BiS gear but needs alteration if you don't have the scepter/shield. In other words, equip AF2 body and use elder staff instead and you're good to go. Primal accessories also make some alterations to the BiS lineup too.

You could try this.

Build #1

Weapon: Elder Staff
Head: AF2 hat
Body: Sorcerer's Coat
Hands: Allagan gloves of casting
Waist: Allagan rope belt of casting
Legs: Allagan breeches of casting
Feet: Allagan boots of casting/AF2 boots
Neck: Myth
Earring: Allagan earring of casting
Wrist: Myth
Ring1: Vortex ring of casting
Ring2: Allagan ring of casting (you can swap this for Vortex ring of casting if you find that 8 DET > 16 spell speed)

Food: Deviled NQ

Stats:

INT: 494
ACC: 433
Crit: 536
DET: 255
SS: 456
VIT: 368
PIE: 244

My current setup is this:

Build #2

Weapon: Elder Staff
Head: AF2
Body: AF2
Hands: AF2
Waist: Myth
Legs: AF2
Feet: AF2
Neck: Myth
Earring: Allagan earring of casting
Wrist: Allagan bracelets of casting
Ring1: Myth
Ring2: Allagan ring of casting (you can swap this for Vortex ring of casting if you find that 8 DET > 16 spell speed)

Food: Deviled NQ

Stats:

INT: 494
ACC: 435
Crit: 505
DET: 236
SS: 511
VIT: 368
PIE: 244
#12 Feb 04 2014 at 12:13 PM Rating: Excellent
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Ahhhhh!

Ok so Puro's Guide has a bunch of tabs at the bottom.

For one thing, looks like 432 accuracy is good-to-go for T5 right now.

Right on, I'll have to looks more at the charts and testing later tonight.

Thanks, Hitome you rock!

Edited, Feb 4th 2014 1:25pm by Gnu
#13 Feb 04 2014 at 11:00 PM Rating: Excellent
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Are you back to playing BLM a lot now? ^^ I would be really glad to hear that!

I'm stuck on SCH a lot now days but do not mind it. Healing is pretty entertaining on some fights.
#14 Feb 05 2014 at 11:54 AM Rating: Good
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After taking a week off to run Coil with RL friends, my static came up with another WHM, and one of the tanks has already has SCH. So I don't even heal in T2 anymore, much to my surprise.

We had a kind of rotating DD spot but now it's all static healers and I'm the DD spot. We have plenty of bard's so for that team I will be BLM from here on out. For T4 at least, to split the magic and physical damage.

Haven't gone to T5 yet, so I figure it's time to focus and get BLM to 85+ so I can really contribute when the time comes.

Edited, Feb 5th 2014 12:57pm by Gnu
#15 Feb 06 2014 at 3:42 AM Rating: Excellent
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That is wonderful news! You will have a lot of fun on BLM I'm sure.

Since I haven't gotten to talk to you and a few other BLMs who used to come here often, I have kept myself busy with the OF BLM page:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/113691-The-Ultimate-Black-Mage-Resources-with-Damage-Calculator/page9

I don't particularly like the OF but this thread has some level-headed people in it. You will notice a few posts towards the bottom: one by me, another by a poster I know from another thread. You should give it a read.

The player has BiS gear save the pants (including the weapon) yet is finding BLM to not be worth it in a lot of fights. I'm actually in agreement with her. I do have my fun on BLM and am happy not a lot of people play it, but if I had the chance to use SMN on certain fights...I probably would.

You should read his/her rationale and our little discussion. Like I mentioned in the post, I'm not detecting a large disparity when it comes to DPS rankings but he/she apparently is.
#16 Feb 06 2014 at 11:35 AM Rating: Excellent
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Nice. Only time to skim it now but I see that lots of posters are digging right to the heart of the various discussion. Plus I see great deal of testimonials with detailed descriptions of testing and such.

Certainly worth reading, thanks!

At T4, I got the Bard body drop last night. I was looking at how much of my BLM and Bard gear does NOT have accuracy. Very specific Coil drops (T4 BLM Pants, something-something bard coil drop, I forget right now) actually have accuracy.

Looks like the path to an 85+ DD job that can hit mobs in T5 requires Myth - Myth - Myth. It looks like I'm going to have to pick between BRD and BLM for Myth purchases or continue to be too diversified to bring a i90 to the table for some time.

All of a sudden HQ Stuffed Cabbage is looking yummy.
#17 Feb 07 2014 at 5:15 AM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah, that's pretty much the case. Though, I find melee jobs have it much easier reaching the cap. There are a few coil drops that do give ACC for BLM like:

Helm (crap compared to AF2 head)
Legs (BiS but seemingly very rare)
Feet (the mythology is equivalent/also seems a little rare)
Ring (not BiS for crit build)

Problems with those items are listed in parenthesis.

You could also meld accuracy into some rose gold stuff. I did that for a while.

Grats on the body BTW! :P
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