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#127 Mar 08 2006 at 1:21 PM Rating: Excellent
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Althrun the Silent wrote:
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His reason could be "Because I hate that ***** and want to see her cry over her lost chances of childbirth" and he'd still be in the right to not father a child he doesn't wish to father.
Not arguing the right to not father a child, but if indeed his motive was that, that would be very amoral of him, y/n?
No. Not really. I suppose it would make him petty and spiteful. While those may not be qualities one should embrace I think that, given what's at stake, not fathering a child still wouldn't make him a monster. Perhaps you and I just have different weights we place on the word "moral" and "immoral".
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he is willing to fight this to the end, but doesn't want to be in the public eye
Why should he be? He's in the legal right. They both knew the conditions of the IVF procedure and that it would require consent. Why should he desire to be in the limelight and banging a drum over some woman who is trying to breach that contract and make end-runs around the law at every level? He probably would rather everyone would just go away.

Edited, Wed Mar 8 13:24:34 2006 by Jophiel
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#128 Mar 08 2006 at 1:34 PM Rating: Default
Think about it, which option is most likely to be true.

A. This man had second thoughts about starting a family and feels that he is not ready to deal with the situation that will arise.

Or B. This dude is hateful *******, that willingly entered himself into this situation. Then later down the road realized that he hates this woman, and uses his legal rights to cause pain and grief.

If A is true then this guys real problem is that he is irresponsible and selfish. When he first agreed to do this he knew the goal was to create a child. If he feels that since it involves his genetic material that he should show be involved but doesn't want to be. To deny a woman her last chance at doing something that he doesn't want to do yet, and if this is the case this guy IMO is incapable of making rational decisions.
#129 Mar 08 2006 at 1:41 PM Rating: Excellent
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Lyroc wrote:
If A is true then this guys real problem is that he is irresponsible and selfish. When he first agreed to do this he knew the goal was to create a child.
He also knew he would be given multiple chances to reflect on whether he still wished to reach that goal and to decide if he wished to proceed.

You're just pissy that you didn't like his answer.
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#130 Mar 08 2006 at 1:44 PM Rating: Decent
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Althrun the Silent wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
His reason could be "Because I hate that ***** and want to see her cry over her lost chances of childbirth" and he'd still be in the right to not father a child he doesn't wish to father.
Not arguing the right to not father a child, but if indeed his motive was that, that would be very amoral of him, y/n?
No. Not really. I suppose it would make him petty and spiteful. While those may not be qualities one should embrace I think that, given what's at stake, not fathering a child still wouldn't make him a monster. Perhaps you and I just have different weights we place on the word "moral" and "immoral".

Edited, Wed Mar 8 13:24:34 2006 by Jophiel


and/or we have different weights on factors of the situation- I feel that the infertility puts a very different spin on this than it otherwise would be.




#131 Mar 08 2006 at 1:46 PM Rating: Default
I couldn't care less about this issue i just like to wxpress my opinion. That being said my opinion is that even though he was given multiple chances to change is mind he didn't choose to do so until he broke up with her.
#132 Mar 08 2006 at 1:49 PM Rating: Good
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Althrun the Silent wrote:
She put the eggs up, he put the sperm up. It was his decision as well, not just hers, to fertilize the last eggs of an unmarried woman. Please don't tell me you think he shouldn't have any consequences past that.

I believe in my second or first post I said he should be sued for breach of contract. That's a consequence.

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Smiley: motz Thanks for missing the point. [quote]
I could say the same to you. Smiley: laugh


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I was responding to you asking me to admit to something I hadn't been questioning in the first place, seen here:

[quote] But you admit it's his right to do so? Because that's all that's being argued. As Nobby pointed out, they are likely both twits.

I was asking whether or not you did precisely because your stance intimated disapproval. Even though I am awesome in many regards, I'm no mind-reader.
#133 Mar 08 2006 at 1:52 PM Rating: Good
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Conforming to standards of what is right or just in behavior; virtuous: a moral life.

I believe you proved my point there, kiddo. You can trot out all of the dictionary definitions that support your point of view that you like. None of them will change the fact that in context, your objection has little to nothing to do with morality. Your objection has everything to do with the character of a man, the man in question happening to show a distinct lack there of.

Both of the people involved find themselves in the unfortunate position of being greatly put out by the other's mirror opposite point of view. Think of it like this:

You are tied up on the ground unable to move, in a locked room, unable to call for help and unable to free yourself. I am tied up on the ceiling of the same room, clutching a blade positioned to cause your certain death if I drop it. I would be perfectly able to free myself were I to drop the blade, but this would kill you. it is impossible to free myself without dropping the blade, and it is impossible for you to be freed without me dropping the blade.

In this situation, making a selfish choice would have moral implications because your life is at stake. In the situation the man and woman in Britain find themselves, the selfish decision does not present a moral quandry as the woman's life will continue on, and she will have a great many options at her disposal to sate her desire to be a mother.

Morality never enters the argument in any credible fashion. You, sir, are a ******, and that is all my virtuous nature will allow me to say on the subject.
#134 Mar 08 2006 at 1:53 PM Rating: Good
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Oh, and two words for all of you cnuts whining about the dead horse: abortion thread. I know one of you bastages will start one in the near future, and it'll go over two pages, so wah.
#135 Mar 08 2006 at 1:54 PM Rating: Good
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His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:
Think of it like this:

You are tied up on the ground unable to move, in a locked room, unable to call for help and unable to free yourself. I am tied up on the ceiling of the same room, clutching a blade positioned to cause your certain death if I drop it. I would be perfectly able to free myself were I to drop the blade, but this would kill you. it is impossible to free myself without dropping the blade, and it is impossible for you to be freed without me dropping the blade.

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#136 Mar 08 2006 at 1:54 PM Rating: Good
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Oh, and two words for all of you cnuts whining about the dead horse: abortion thread. I know one of you bastages will start one in the near future, and it'll go over two pages, so wah.

Any time you wanna talk about abortion, give me a couple of days notice and I can try my level best to knock you up.

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Yeah, I got a little freak in me. Tickles when she wiggles though.

Edited, Wed Mar 8 13:55:23 2006 by MoebiusLord
#137 Mar 08 2006 at 1:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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Lyroc wrote:
That being said my opinion is that even though he was given multiple chances to change is mind he didn't choose to do so until he broke up with her.
Well... yeah.

It's probably going to sound wacky, but my relationship status with a woman plays a big part in whether or not *I* want to have kids with her.

Zany!!
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#138 Mar 08 2006 at 1:58 PM Rating: Decent
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I feel that the infertility puts a very different spin on this than it otherwise would be.
So my rights should be taken away because Reeve couldn't walk?
#139 Mar 08 2006 at 2:02 PM Rating: Default
Why is everyone so obsessed with his position as a biological parent. Who gives a rat's *** if thats his DNA in there. If the kid was born he wouldn't be forced to spend time with the mother or the kid for that matter.
#140 Mar 08 2006 at 2:03 PM Rating: Decent
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Lyroc wrote:
Why is everyone so obsessed with his position as a biological parent. Who gives a rat's *** if thats his DNA in there. If the kid was born he wouldn't be forced to spend time with the mother or the kid for that matter.


When you're old enough to have sex and you knock up some girl you'll understand.
#141 Mar 08 2006 at 2:05 PM Rating: Good
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His Excellency MoebiusLord wrote:

Any time you wanna talk about abortion, give me a couple of days notice and I can try my level best to knock you up.

I don't have that kind of time to wait around for your bread to bake, son.


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Yeah, I got a little freak in me. Tickles when she wiggles though.

That isn't a freak. That's the beans.
#142 Mar 08 2006 at 2:05 PM Rating: Excellent
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Lyroc wrote:
Who gives a rat's *** if thats his DNA in there.
He does?
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#143 Mar 08 2006 at 2:06 PM Rating: Default
I see your point. If i got a girl pregnant i would want a relationship with the kid. However this guy already said he doesn't want those obligations.
#144 Mar 08 2006 at 2:08 PM Rating: Decent
Moe wrote:
You, sir, are a ******, and that is all my virtuous nature will allow me to say on the subject.


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#145 Mar 08 2006 at 2:08 PM Rating: Good
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The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:
Oh, and two words for all of you cnuts whining about the dead horse: abortion thread. I know one of you bastages will start one in the near future, and it'll go over two pages, so wah.


I never start threads, so wtf???

Edited, Wed Mar 8 14:11:25 2006 by Nadenu
#146 Mar 08 2006 at 2:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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She seems real obsessed with the DNA content of the kid or else she could adopt and spare us from this thread.

It matters to people. You saying it shouldn't doesn't make it matter less.
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#147 Mar 08 2006 at 2:09 PM Rating: Default
he doesn't care, he's doing it to be an *** all he was concerned about were the obligations he mught incur.
#148 Mar 08 2006 at 2:11 PM Rating: Excellent
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Ah. Well, now that we know that for fact...
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#149 Mar 08 2006 at 2:14 PM Rating: Excellent
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Mistress Nadenu wrote:
I never start threads, so wtf???
WTF lies!
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#150 Mar 08 2006 at 2:14 PM Rating: Good
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Mistress Nadenu wrote:
The Glorious Atomicflea wrote:
Oh, and two words for all of you cnuts whining about the dead horse: abortion thread. I know one of you bastages will start one in the near future, and it'll go over two pages, so wah.


I never start threads, so wtf???

You gotta decide what you want right now, missy. Either you get included in the hateful tirades for no good reason or not.
#151 Mar 08 2006 at 2:15 PM Rating: Default
Of course i dont know it for fact I can only form an opinion on info i have. Your forming them on info you think exists.
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