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#52 Mar 20 2014 at 7:19 AM Rating: Excellent
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#53 Mar 20 2014 at 10:16 AM Rating: Decent
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But not all Palestinians, right? Not even a tiny percentage of Palestinians. So there's some factor other than just being Palestinian which causes these homes to be destroyed. We should maybe look at that rather than proclaim this to be some broad attack on Palestinian rights.


Did they or did they not bulldoze homes. Simple ******* question. I said it happened. You said it didn't. Either it did, or it didn't. How much is irrelevant.


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And what percentage is that? Look, the very fact that they have to get permits for this suggests that it's far more on the up and up than say, lobbing rockets at civilians. Which happened like 60 times last year.

Right because going to an Israeli Court and asking for permits to bulldoze Palestinian homes to put up more Israeli homes isn't a one sided decision. Do you think the PLO gets to say, hey guys you don't get permits. No they don't have any say. Israel Bulldozes swaths of Occupied land every single year. This is land that is not within Israels borders. It is not their land, yet they are treating it as if it is. What is so hard to understand about this?

Maybe if Israel stopped poaching land that is not their people wouldn't fight back. What happens when you corner and animal and poke it with a stick. It will ******* try and bite you.

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Do you honestly believe that if Israel tomorrow granted the Palestinians every single thing they are asking for, it would end the violence or prevent the complete destruction of their nation? You're demanding infinite restraint of a nation that is subject to attacks that will never end until they are destroyed. What do you realistically expect Israel to do?


No, but I honestly believe if Israel toned down the provocation rhetoric they have been running on since 1968 that it might actually make way for peaceful negotiations. Shooting Civilians who happen to be walking on their side of a concrete and barbed fence is not a very diplomatic thing to do. Driving through villages with people tied to the hood of your military vehicles is not a very diplomatic thing to do. You give Israel far to much credit in being "peaceful" Just because your country doesn't support the UN resolutions on Israeli human rights violations doesn't mean they don't exist. Just because your media doesn't report on the **** Israel does to the Palestinians doesn't mean it doesn't happen. I know you don't get your news from anywhere, so maybe you should start?

Quit being ignorant Gbaji. Neither side is in the right in this hopefully you are not obtuse enough to believe otherwise.

That being said:
http://www.economist.com/blogs/pomegranate/2014/03/oil-palestine

Here is Israels first test. Will they let Palestine exploit their new found oil? Or will they make claim to it too?

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#54 Mar 20 2014 at 10:18 AM Rating: Good
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I still don't understand why we haven't tried to install democracy in Canada for offenses like that.

We have democracy. We just don't have American democracy. Honestly you guys spend way to much money on your elections. Seriously its like you guys are always electing someone. What a waste of money.
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We just don't have American democracy.

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#57 Mar 22 2014 at 2:11 PM Rating: Decent
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You do understand that in the eyes of the Arab nations, that, from their perspective, the creation of a random nation in the middle of their backyards might be somewhat aggravating?

I do get that might is right,and to the victor belong the spoils, but I would like you to at least acknowledge that Israel wasn't there 100 years ago. Arab nations were.



How many years does it take for the murder of your unwanted neighbor to become wrong?
100 years ago may as well have been 1000 years ago at this point; and are you blaming the Jews that refugeed to Israel or the European nations to put them there to plant themselves an ally? There are clear lines here between the motives of the political powers and the motives of standard citizens just finding a place to live and get along with their neighbor (or kill them).
The point is that the Hamas gov. openly says that it doesn't recognize Israel's right to exist PERIOD.
What's done is done. They live there.. you either evolve with the situation and change, or leave. People that refuse to do those things life a life of hate.


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These two countries can be peaceful neighbors but it will never happen as long as the world insists on treating them as merely emblems representational of the East and the West.


I was thinking the same thing about Ukraine.
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How many years does it take for the murder of your unwanted neighbor to become wrong?


Good question, how many years does it take for Israel to recognize that putting Palestinians through their own version of Warsaw Ghetto is wrong? I am so glad you brought it up.

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You do understand that in the eyes of the Arab nations, that, from their perspective, the creation of a random Jewish nation in the middle of their backyards might be somewhat aggravating?


Fixed that for you. You do understand that the Arab nations had no problem with the creation of a number of random Muslim nations in the same area during the same time?

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I do get that might is right,and to the victor belong the spoils, but I would like you to at least acknowledge that Israel wasn't there 100 years ago. Arab nations were.


Yeah. Neither were Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq, Iran, etc, etc, etc...

Seriously. Go look up "Ottoman Empire" sometime. Then look up "British Mandate". Then come back here and realize how silly you look trying to argue that all the Muslim/Arab nations have some special right to exist, but not the one Jewish nation.
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Did they or did they not bulldoze homes. Simple @#%^ing question. I said it happened. You said it didn't. Either it did, or it didn't. How much is irrelevant.


How much and why are incredibly relevant.


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Right because going to an Israeli Court and asking for permits to bulldoze Palestinian homes to put up more Israeli homes isn't a one sided decision. Do you think the PLO gets to say, hey guys you don't get permits. No they don't have any say. Israel Bulldozes swaths of Occupied land every single year. This is land that is not within Israels borders. It is not their land, yet they are treating it as if it is. What is so hard to understand about this?


Sigh. Except it's not "swaths". It's individual homes, here or there. You're trying to make this out to be some kind of land grab. It's not. The Israelis already own/control the land in question. This is really unrelated to the broader question of land and national boundaries, which is where you started with all of this.

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Do you honestly believe that if Israel tomorrow granted the Palestinians every single thing they are asking for, it would end the violence or prevent the complete destruction of their nation? You're demanding infinite restraint of a nation that is subject to attacks that will never end until they are destroyed. What do you realistically expect Israel to do?


No, but I honestly believe if Israel toned down the provocation rhetoric they have been running on since 1968 that it might actually make way for peaceful negotiations.


Wait. So you agree that peaceful negotiations are useless because the Palestinians will not stop demanding the elimination of Israel, but you still insist they should do it? Why? "Being polite" isn't an end to itself. If you're going to punch me in the face whether I'm nice to you or not, it's a pretty good bet that I'm going to stop being nice to you pretty quick. Right?

The Palestinians have to move on their "destroy Israel" position. Period. Until they do that, there can't be any agreement or any peace. They're the ones perpetuating the conflict. How the hell can you not see this?
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#61 Mar 24 2014 at 4:34 PM Rating: Good
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Did they or did they not bulldoze homes. Simple @#%^ing question. I said it happened. You said it didn't. Either it did, or it didn't. How much is irrelevant.


How much and why are incredibly relevant.


Nope.





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Sigh. Except it's not "swaths". It's individual homes, here or there. You're trying to make this out to be some kind of land grab. It's not. The Israelis already own/control the land in question.

Just so we're clear, you're arguing that it's ok for a state to completely ignore property rights of property holders and seize and destroy said property without benefit of any due process or rule of law and then give that property to other private citizens. Homes, in point of fact.

Correct?

Edit: As for numbers, it's not really hugely relevant, but lets say thousands. That's fairy inarguable. This has happened to thousands of Palestinian homes. People have had their land, which they legally owned, taken from them and given to others without due process. Thousands of people.



Edited, Mar 24th 2014 8:32pm by Smasharoo
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But, if that's like, say, only .001% of the population? I'm not saying that those homes don't matter, but in context...
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Debalic wrote:
But, if that's like, say, only .001% of the population? I'm not saying that those homes don't matter, but in context...


I think in this case, it's not the percent of the population that makes it ok, but who the population is.
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#65 Mar 25 2014 at 5:23 AM Rating: Good
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But, if that's like, say, only .001% of the population? I'm not saying that those homes don't matter, but in context...


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But, if that's like, say, only .001% of the population? I'm not saying that those homes don't matter, but in context...

Yeah, in context it's an entirely meaningless question that seeks to avoid the issue. Percentage of what? What population? Palestinians? What does that mean? People who live in Palestine? Where's that? Percentage of people who live in "Israel" as they determine their borders? It's 100% of the population of non jews that Israel would like to replace with jews. Because Israel derives land rights from inertia, just ask Joph. "I'm supposed to worry about how this land came to be considered part of Israel decades ago? Hew Hew Hew, no way man. That's silly!"

With absolutely no exaggeration what's occurring is that people are being made homeless, if they fight about it they're killed with state sanction, for the long term purpose of bolstering Israel's claim to land rights. "Yes, it was disputed land.....30 years ago. You're going to ask these children of the original settlers to move now?" The idea that if it's "only xyz% of the population" this is occurring to somehow minimizes the human rights violation is idiotic. "Well, they only castrate like 4% of the girls, so.....you know, omelet, eggs...."

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But, if that's like, say, only .001% of the population? I'm not saying that those homes don't matter, but in context...
Yeah, in context it's an entirely meaningless question that seeks to avoid the issue. Percentage of what? What population? Palestinians? What does that mean? People who live in Palestine? Where's that?

It was a joke referencing Gbaji's comment yesterday that guns in the US only kill 0.004% of the population annually so no big deal.
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Next time you should ask me what posts mean so you don't fly off on a screed over obvious jokes

I understood the joke, I also understood the "it's only a handful" comments that were made with no amount of levity. That's why I responded to them first. You should consider reading all of the posts. Well, I mean, not ones made prior to some arbitrary time you decide things don't matter before, obviously, but I'll assume that probably won't be "15 minutes ago". Been wrong before, though.
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You should consider reading all of the posts.

Rarely worth the effort.

Like saving dirty Palestinians.
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Rarely worth the effort.

Like saving dirty Palestinians.


It's not that hard, you just throw some old rags and chick peas in the direction opposite the IDF artillery. Not only do you save lives, but a hamleh ya mila stand springs up and adds to the local GDP.
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"Well, they only castrate like 4% of the girls, so.....you know, omelet, eggs...."
You're gonna need more girls if you're going to make a decent sized omelet.
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It's not that hard, you just throw some old rags and chick peas in the direction opposite the IDF artillery.

We're talking about reading posts, right?
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Smasharoo wrote:
It's not that hard, you just throw some old rags and chick peas in the direction opposite the IDF artillery.

We're talking about reading posts, right?

Really it's a sliding scale depending on who authored the post.
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We're talking about reading posts, right?

Obviously. I'm not a racist, Joph.
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Sigh. Except it's not "swaths". It's individual homes, here or there. You're trying to make this out to be some kind of land grab. It's not. The Israelis already own/control the land in question.

Just so we're clear, you're arguing that it's ok for a state to completely ignore property rights of property holders and seize and destroy said property without benefit of any due process or rule of law and then give that property to other private citizens. Homes, in point of fact.

Correct?

Edit: As for numbers, it's not really hugely relevant, but lets say thousands. That's fairy inarguable. This has happened to thousands of Palestinian homes. People have had their land, which they legally owned, taken from them and given to others without due process. Thousands of people.





It's okay if they're poor, brown and disenfranchised. Haven't you learned anything?
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If they were poor, brown and disenfranchised in the US we could call them Democrats and they'd get some attention.

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