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#1 May 07 2014 at 9:40 AM Rating: Excellent
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Break out your apologist hats and spin-books, GOP folks because the latest and greatest assessment of states giving and taking from the federal dole was released. Illinois ranks #2 (shared with Minnesota) and just under Delaware for supporting all your other dead asses with a paltry 56¢ coming back to the state out of federal taxes paid to the government. I'll let you all be "surprised" by the other results including the "red state/blue state" breakdown. Anyway, being at the top allowed me to formulate some thoughts about the other 97%.

All right, there are 97 percent who are with federal welfare, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe that government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you name it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for federal welfare no matter what. These are people who don't pay enough income tax for what they take. Ninety-seven percent of Americans don't pay enough income tax. So our message of low taxes doesn't connect. And so my job is not to worry about those people—I'll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.

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Edited, May 7th 2014 10:40am by Jophiel
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#2 May 07 2014 at 9:46 AM Rating: Excellent
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You can't take those numbers serious because it's research.
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#3 May 07 2014 at 9:48 AM Rating: Excellent
Hey, Georgia is pretty close to getting back what we pay in, at $1.05 returned for every $1 paid in. Significantly better than our neighbors, and I'll chalk that extra nickle up to the CDC.

Edited, May 7th 2014 11:48am by Catwho
#4 May 07 2014 at 9:53 AM Rating: Excellent
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Today I learned:

1) We have one of the higher tax burdens in the country

2) We still mooch an extra 28 cents per dollar from everyone else

3) We have the lowest alcohol taxes in the nation, per capita

I think I'm going to buy some cheap booze and not worry about the rest; bring on the government welfare. Smiley: cool

Edited, May 7th 2014 8:56am by someproteinguy
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#5 May 07 2014 at 10:19 AM Rating: Good
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Hmmm, Hawaii has about the same number of federal employees per capita as Maryland...and far more than other states. Smiley: rolleyes

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#6 May 07 2014 at 12:36 PM Rating: Excellent
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someproteinguy wrote:
3) We have the lowest alcohol taxes in the nation, per capita
You're also the most craft beer loving state at some 45% of beer sales being craft beer.
#7 May 07 2014 at 12:42 PM Rating: Excellent
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His Excellency Aethien wrote:
someproteinguy wrote:
3) We have the lowest alcohol taxes in the nation, per capita
You're also the most craft beer loving state at some 45% of beer sales being craft beer.
Don't forget all the breweries.

Economic incentives: we know how to use them properly. Smiley: nod
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#8 May 07 2014 at 1:37 PM Rating: Good
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Don't you know? Getting any kind of assistance from the government is their way to force you to become dependent on them. Depending on the private sector around every turn is A-OK though.

Imagine a country that is governed entirely by private business. No one would be able to complain about how oppressed they are, and it totally wouldn't be like Blade Runner.
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#9 May 07 2014 at 1:45 PM Rating: Good
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someproteinguy wrote:
His Excellency Aethien wrote:
someproteinguy wrote:
3) We have the lowest alcohol taxes in the nation, per capita
You're also the most craft beer loving state at some 45% of beer sales being craft beer.
Don't forget all the breweries.

Economic incentives: we know how to use them properly. Smiley: nod
California has you beat on the breweries thing though.
#10 May 07 2014 at 1:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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His Excellency Aethien wrote:
someproteinguy wrote:
His Excellency Aethien wrote:
someproteinguy wrote:
3) We have the lowest alcohol taxes in the nation, per capita
You're also the most craft beer loving state at some 45% of beer sales being craft beer.
Don't forget all the breweries.

Economic incentives: we know how to use them properly. Smiley: nod
California has you beat on the breweries thing though.
There's just more of them people down there, you know a population thing, it inflates their status.

Our eyes are on Vermont.
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#11 May 07 2014 at 1:52 PM Rating: Good
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Lil' old Maine is 6. Smiley: smile

Just yesterday we awarded one of our local breweries an Environmental Excellence Award.

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#12 May 07 2014 at 3:06 PM Rating: Good
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someproteinguy wrote:
His Excellency Aethien wrote:
someproteinguy wrote:
His Excellency Aethien wrote:
someproteinguy wrote:
3) We have the lowest alcohol taxes in the nation, per capita
You're also the most craft beer loving state at some 45% of beer sales being craft beer.
Don't forget all the breweries.

Economic incentives: we know how to use them properly. Smiley: nod
California has you beat on the breweries thing though.
There's just more of them people down there, you know a population thing, it inflates their status.

Our eyes are on Vermont.
Between The Alchemist and Hill Farmstead they've got you beat on quality of brews per capita as well.
#13 May 07 2014 at 4:47 PM Rating: Good
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"Federal Employees Per Capita" is a horrible name for that metric. It's also a bad metric.

seriously bad.
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Break out your apologist hats and spin-books, GOP folks because the latest and greatest assessment of states giving and taking from the federal dole was released. Illinois ranks #2 (shared with Minnesota) and just under Delaware for supporting all your other dead asses with a paltry 56¢ coming back to the state out of federal taxes paid to the government. I'll let you all be "surprised" by the other results including the "red state/blue state" breakdown. Anyway, being at the top allowed me to formulate some thoughts about the other 97%.

Meh, complete lack of coastline helps lower emergency funds use. "Lake effect snow" my ***. We do also have far better universities. particularly in terms of depth, so that draws a fair amount of funding. When your #2 university is Northwestern vs MIT, not much more needs to be said.
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Apologist welfare state!
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#16 May 07 2014 at 6:09 PM Rating: Good
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Apologist welfare state!


I guess this is what happens when one state educates their lobbyists and another state, well, do the math.

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You can't take those numbers serious because it's research.


It's not the numbers that shouldn't be taken seriously, but the assumptions about political correlation and intent versus outcome which certain people have created out of thin air.

Let me tell you another correlation. The need to address poverty tends to poll higher in areas with high poverty, so that must mean that people who care about poverty are causing poverty! OMG!!! Hmmm... Or maybe we just can't draw that kind of conclusion.
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The need to address poverty tends to poll higher in areas with high poverty, so that must mean that people who care about poverty are causing poverty!

That doesn't even work as a fallacy.
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Or maybe we just can't draw that kind of conclusion.

No one is because your example was stupid.
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#19 May 08 2014 at 7:26 AM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
which certain people have created out of thin air.
"Certain people" being the researchers, and "thin air" being available data, I'm sure.
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Take TN for example; if Memphis wasn't included our federal dependency would dramatically drop.
Yes, if only you could ignore details then your points would be valid.
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#22 May 08 2014 at 8:57 AM Rating: Excellent
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zamwiki wrote:
This works better..

Still supporting your dead welfare asses in Tennessee, I see Smiley: disappointed

Boohoo tears about a select city fall flat when the state government is overwhelmingly Republican controlled and state government controls the incoming federal monies to a huge degree. If these states cared at all about it, they could pass legislation or a state constitutional amendment that they can not take in more than they contribute. Hahaha... like you welfare addicts would ever do that.
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#23 May 08 2014 at 9:05 AM Rating: Good
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The funniest part is how his "extraordinary deductive abilities" concluded that four out of eight million people is a good representation of an entire state, so that means 650,000 out of 6,000,000 is a far more accurate representation!
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#24 May 08 2014 at 9:13 AM Rating: Excellent
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zamwiki wrote:
This works better...

http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2012/02/is-your-state-a-net-giver-or-taker-of-federal-taxes/
You do realize both that and Joph's link basically are showing the same thing right? Smiley: dubious

I mean it's clear it's a slightly different mix of data, but all the same basic trends are there.
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#25 May 08 2014 at 9:21 AM Rating: Good
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Take TN for example; if Memphis wasn't included our federal dependency would dramatically drop.
...as would other states if they selectively eliminated populations from a data set.

Can't you do better than claiming that if you falsified the data you'd get a different result?
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